Move over 7700, i3 8350 almost matches in performance

[Misanthrope]

1 hour ago, mynameisjuan said:

As in many people you mean from forums.

How about the fact that Twitch at times accounted for a massive portion of all internet bandwidth and was bought by a mega corporation? How about the fact that even the "old media" companies are moving to youtube with some parts like the Music industry almost entirely reliant on it today?

 

Content creation is hardly something you can deny in the era of user content we live in. This is just pure intellectual dishonesty to maintain a silly point about processors cores, it isn't productive to even discuss how this is just a brand new thing.

[DarkBlade2117]

2 hours ago, bcredeur97 said:

so many people are going to buy i3's for gaming now...

I bought an i3-6100 for gaming. Plenty of people got Pentium G4560s for gaming. Ya, you won't get 120FPS maxed out but it'll do more than good enough. Granted I also BCLKd my 6100 to 4.6GHz

[NumLock21]

With Coffee Lake increasing the core count. That feeling where your buddies Core i3 and Core i3 having the same number of cores or more than your old Core i7. And they paid a lot less.

 

[pas008]

3 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

With Coffee Lake increasing the core count. That feeling where your buddies Core i3 and Core i3 having the same number of cores or more than your old Core i7. And they paid a lot less.

 

technology for ya

[mynameisjuan]

14 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

How about the fact that Twitch at times accounted for a massive portion of all internet bandwidth

Congrats but most that is from the servers...aka people watching...not streaming. Doesnt prove anything.

 

14 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

How about the fact that even the "old media" companies are moving to youtube with some parts like the Music industry almost entirely reliant on it today?

Once again this is business related. Their companies are not buying desktop processor to do this job. They are buying rendering servers but their job requires it.

 

14 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Content creation is hardly something you can deny in the era of user content we live in. This is just pure intellectual dishonesty to maintain a silly point about processors cores, it isn't productive to even discuss how this is just a brand new thing.

Did you even read my comments saying most people dont need it, as in the general population? No I cannot deny that user content is on the rise but in the overall scheme of things this number is still quite small. Not everyone that builds a PC creates content, or streams, or renders. Stop pretending like everyone does. 

[Taf the Ghost]

Considering CPU-Z went and changed their benchmarking tool because Ryzen could handle the "hard" function they were using, it wouldn't surprise me if there's maybe some random uplift by a small change some aspect of Coffee Lake that could increase the result in that test.  Though I would simply assume the CPU is OC'd to about 4.5 to 4.7 Ghz. (The multi-core ratio suggests to me it's an all-core OC.)

[NumLock21]

1 minute ago, pas008 said:

technology for ya

I already have a 6 core so don't matter to me.

 

[Drak3]

20 minutes ago, Taja said:

Im not. Im criticising their practices. I am sure the engineers could have made processors better than the 7700k 5 years ago, but intel does not want that. They know they can get a lot better, but they prefer to only get 10% better every year. Ia better for business, simple as that.

So ofc they will do what is better for business, not what is better for the consumer, like every big company EVER.

@FPSwithaWacomTablet don't overestimate Intel's engineers. What we've been getting is the result of what Intel can acjieve without thermal and power draw run away. They haven't been holding back a miracle.

[Misanthrope]

34 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

No I cannot deny that user content is on the rise

Well you did initially, now we agree and by your own admission your point is invalid, thanks for playing.

[mynameisjuan]

7 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Well you did initially, now we agree and by your own admission your point is invalid, thanks for playing.

Ok well where did I say it then? I reread my comments and in all I say its on the rise.

[NumLock21]

Buddy 1 *Hey check my new rig! Core i7 7700K, quad core baby!

Buddy 2 *Sweet!*

... 6 months later....

Buddy 2 *Check out my new rig. Core i5 8600K 6 cores! yeah!*

Buddy 1 *No, core i5 is only a quad core, not a 6 core*

Buddy 2 *No, it's a 6 core*

Buddy 1 *No it's not!*

Buddy 2 *Yes it is!!*

Buddy 1 *No it's not!*

Buddy 2 *Yes it is!!!*

Buddy 1 *Screw you man!*

Buddy 2 *Screw you too!, then shows picture of cpu retail box, cpu-z screen shot, task manager, CB15 benchmarks*

Buddy 1 *Looks at them pictures*

*Gets on his knees with fist in the air, shouting why?! why?!*

*Just too much, can't accept*

*Crawls under the bed, curls up in fetal position, and beings to suck on thumb*

Buddy 2 *Hey you there? Hello? Hello? Hello!*

[DragonTamer1]

Same core and thread count as a 7700 and on a newer architechture but it still doesn't at least match its performance? Wtf?

 

Either the article is false, the early engineering samples are garbage or intel took a step backwards in single core performance.

[VagabondWraith]

3 minutes ago, DragonTamer1 said:

Same core and thread count as a 7700 and on a newer architechture but it still doesn't at least match its performance? Wtf?

 

Either the article is false, the early engineering samples are garbage or intel took a step backwards in single core performance.

8350K is 4c/4t. 

[DragonTamer1]

1 minute ago, VagabondWraith said:

8350K is 4c/4t. 

That makes more sense but I saw somewhere that it was a quad with ht.

[VagabondWraith]

4 minutes ago, DragonTamer1 said:

That makes more sense but I saw somewhere that it was a quad with ht.

False rumor.

[Ithanul]

 

4 hours ago, Dylanc1500 said:

So moral of the story is,

if you buy something in the tech industry expect it to be replaced in the near future, buy what you need for your budget, having more cores isn't always better, and don't expect that because something newer is released your purchase is automatically unusable.

Yep, the oldest rule of tech.  By the time you buy it, something better is in the works or soon to be release.  Reason I have no troubles buying 2nd hand used tech.     Peeps sure love dumping off perfectly good hardware for cheap.

 

Be sure interesting if this i3 can haul buggy like that.  Mmmmm, wonder how the big chips will do.  Anyway, I be happily waiting on people to offload hardware once Coffee Lake drops.  Gives me some nice hardware to pick up 2nd hand that I can find nice high clockers out of.

[PCGuy_5960]

CPU-Z is an EXTREMELY unreliable benchmark, so I doubt it

[porina]

5 hours ago, MageTank said:

If need be, I can underclock my 7700k to 4ghz and run CPU-Z's benchmark if anyone wants me to put the IPC improvements to rest (assuming this leak is even remotely true). Just don't want people to buy into this hype, only to be disappointed when per-core performance is identical to Kaby and Skylake.

I did similar already. I OC'd a 6600k to match the reported aida64 settings. It suggests the CPU was running at 40x multiplier on 103 MHz bus, and ram was at 2400 setting (but again 3% higher from bus). This should be pretty close. Doh! The rumours suggest 8350k is 8MB cache, whereas the 6600k is 6MB... so maybe I should have used a 6700k with HT off after all, but not going to repeat it now.

I updated Aida64 to current version v5.92.4300 and ran CPU Queen and PhotoWorxx. I scored 38067 compared to the claimed 43328 for i3-8350k, which is 14% higher. Likewise for PhotoWorxx I got 21373 compared to 24996, this time a 17% increase. I don't know what version of Aida they're using, and it cautions not to compare across versions.

Back to CPU-Z, still with the 3% OC, I scored 480.2 and 1904 for single and multithread respectively. The leak showed 503.3 and 1982, for 4.8% and 4.1% increase respectively. I'm assuming here it did have the 3% overclock. If not, the advantage would be correspondingly higher. This is with the same version of CPU-Z bench.

 

 

[Nowak]

Remember people, this isn't a charity. Reward the company with the better product. Don't be Intel/AMD fanboys.

[Dylanc1500]

52 minutes ago, Daring said:

Remember people, this isn't a charity. Reward the company with the better product. Don't be Intel/AMD fanboys.

* for your specific use case and budget. I see a lot of people clinging to one specific product and applying to either an entire companies success or product lines success.

 

Not correcting you (sorry if it comes off that way) just adding onto it for other readers!

[Trik'Stari]

6 hours ago, dizmo said:

Haha, wow. We get increased cores and...loads of bitching from the community. What did you expect? How would it have happened any other way? Of course there would be a shift one year. Suck it up and accept it. 

 

The i3 7350k was almost on par with the 7500, if not the 7600k. It beat the 6500. The performance of this chip shouldn't be surprising. Does a 7600k not beat the 7700 when overclocked? 

 

Personally I'm thrilled that Intel is upping their game. I3 the new i5? Perfect. Now we can truly increase the number of people having great experiences on budget gaming rigs. What's wrong with that? 

 

Depends what it's doing. A 2c/4t can beat a 4c/4t in gaming, and other tasks if clocks are high enough. 

...i don't get how that affects your purchasing decision in a negative way? 

Haha, what? That's ridiculous. No one should trust companies like that, and frankly of you already have the best performance in the market, why keep dumping huge money into R&D? You do gradual releases, keep R&D in check, and research other things. It's nothing new in the business world. Look at Canon. 

You're delusional if you think they're not a business, first and foremost, watching their bottom line. What company operates with razer thin margins? That's not a smart business strategy at all. R&D isn't free either. "I want improvements! But I don't want to pay for them!" 

Should have been following the news, or done  some research before you made your purchase

So? So what if they're pissed. It had to happen sometime. You can't magically add half a core every year so that people don't feel butt hurt. 

 

Content creation has seem a massive increase over the past few years. So, there genuinely is a use for more cores. Most people don't need them, no, but it's much much higher than even 5 years ago. 

I don't believe that for a second. They've had more than 2 cores for a really, really long time. They still didn't really take advantage of them until recently. 

Unless you're doing extensive Excel work you should spend more than $80 on an office cpu...

How is it anti consumer? They offered a product, it was best on the market. Doesn't sound very anti consumer to me. 

Haven't leaks already shown that it'll have basically the same clock speed as the last chips? I know the 8700 had a very nice all core boost clock. 

 

I can buy the argument that AMD will still be better at content creation, since it does have more cores, but I think Intel will take back the gaming crown. Should be interesting to see the reviews. 

Because my system is basically the best it can be now. No upgrade support for future CPU's kind of pisses me off.

[NumLock21]

In other intel news, intel is already working on tigerlake.

Should i go with coffeelake or wait for tigerlake?

[mr moose]

5 hours ago, Taja said:

Im not. Im criticising their practices. I am sure the engineers could have made processors better than the 7700k 5 years ago, but intel does not want that. They know they can get a lot better, but they prefer to only get 10% better every year. Ia better for business, simple as that.

So ofc they will do what is better for business, not what is better for the consumer, like every big company EVER.

 

If they could have they would have,  no company in the history of any industry has ever survived by being complacent or holding back.

 

The stone man thought he had it made, then came the bronze man who also thought he had it made.  Then the iron man came and coupled with steam he thought he was it.  Then the steel man came and it all changed again.   Lack of competition does not equal intentional lack of development.

[Taf the Ghost]

2 minutes ago, mr moose said:

 

If they could have they would have,  no company in the history of any industry has ever survived by being complacent or holding back.

 

The stone man thought he had it made, then came the bronze man who also thought he had it made.  Then the iron man came and coupled with steam he thought he was it.  Then the steel man came and it all changed again.   Lack of competition does not equal intentional lack of development.

The more subtle answer is that Sandy Bridge was about 2.5 generations of improvement in 1 shot. Intel has focused on inter-core communication since then. That's why actual IPC is only a fairly small uplift per core since.

 

Plus, well, Intel's Fab side of things got messed up beyond measure. Skylake was a year late, and Icelake is going to end up being 3ish years late by the time it launches, I believe. It's really been a whole confluence of events that make things look strange. The fact that Intel would drop their best uArch in two decades the same year AMD shot itself in the foot was unpredictable.

[Nowak]

50 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

Because my system is basically the best it can be now. No upgrade support for future CPU's kind of pisses me off.

hahahaha try being on Z97/LGA1150.