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Just now, NumLock21 said:

They also used it on their Tesla.

So the point of your post was what exactly?

1 hour ago, NumLock21 said:

Nvidia will not use HBM2 cause it's made by AMD.

Got to make their own graphic memory, but cannot think awesome name!

Must have RamWorks!

 

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6 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

I'm fine with GDDR5X. No point in adding cost to a card that, at the top end, should cost 700-800.

Except it shouldn't. If you take manufacture + packaging + shipping costs, the unit cost of a top end GPU isn't even 100USD. If you take into account all the R&D it took to develop the architecture and engineer the PCB, operating expenses, capital expenses, etc, the total per-card cost comes to something like 250USD. Nvidia is posting record profits, ripping us off with 1200USD cards because of lack of competition from AMD on that segment, and charging 700+USD for gaming cards. This is why we have to support AMD with our wallets so they can compete better with nvidia a bring us better products and reasonable prices.

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7 hours ago, domandric034 said:

NVIDIA wake up !!

You don't see upcomming enemy rising from Red Team, you need to put god fucking HBM2 or rip your next architecture cause Vega (If everything goes correctly and shows that those demos were real) will destroy u.

What's the point of HBM2? Why do they need it?

 

Vega is only using two stacks of it anyways, so bandwidth isn't actually any higher than the 1080 ti.

 

And how is Vega gonna destroy Nvidia? They haven't shown any legit game benchmarks at all. Plus amd always likes to show best case scenario.

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43 minutes ago, Terodius said:

Except it shouldn't. If you take manufacture + packaging + shipping costs, the unit cost of a top end GPU isn't even 100USD. If you take into account all the R&D it took to develop the architecture and engineer the PCB, operating expenses, capital expenses, etc, the total per-card cost comes to something like 250USD. Nvidia is posting record profits, ripping us off with 1200USD cards because of lack of competition from AMD on that segment, and charging 700+USD for gaming cards. This is why we have to support AMD with our wallets so they can compete better with nvidia a bring us better products and reasonable prices.

May I have a source for the cost stuff?

 

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On 6/16/2017 at 8:21 AM, LegendKillerRG said:

AMD is able to offer HBM/2 for cheap..

None of AMDs cards use HBM2.

 

They only used HBM, and that was only for the Fury series, which was not "cheap".

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1 minute ago, Enderman said:

None of AMDs cards use HBM2.

 

They only used HBM1, and that was only for the Fury series, which was not "cheap".

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So I get that HBM2 is really expensive to make, but those cards are already hugely expensive. Even if they had to add $100 to the price, enthusiasts would see it as worth it to get the best they can make. The best thing out shouldn't have compromises.

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30 minutes ago, Enderman said:

None of AMDs cards use HBM2.

 

They only used HBM, and that was only for the Fury series, which was not "cheap".

There's a /2 for a reason. HBM/2. AMD Vega is offering 16GB HBM2 for $1199 I think. Point is, AMD is able to offer it at a considerable price. Nvidia would probably cost more to buy than AMD.

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5 minutes ago, LegendKillerRG said:

There's a /2 for a reason. HBM/2. AMD Vega is offering 16GB HBM2 for $1199 I think. Point is, AMD is able to offer it at a considerable price. Nvidia would probably cost more to buy than AMD.

1) Then you should have written HBM or HBM1 not HBM/2

If you meant to say HBM + HBM2 then you write HBM(2) with the brackets implying that the 2 is conditional.

 

2) $1200 USD is not "cheap" neither is the $400-1500 of the Fury cards.

 

3) vega doesn't even exist in the market yet, everything is just rumours and suppositions.

 

4) having HBM does not magically make a GPU perform 100x better, the GPU core is what matters most by a long shot, HBM is just like a cherry on top that can get you a few more fps in certain games.

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I guess not having HBM2 on consumer cards makes sense (to keep cost down), but surely the Ti and Titan would. Or is it just a flat out no on all cards on Volta not having HBM2.
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I don't mind.

Skipping Volta and Vega anyway.

 

Waiting for the one that comes after Volta ... was the name for that generation released already?

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On 17.6.2017 at 0:53 AM, DocSwag said:

May I have a source for the cost stuff?

 

As a consumer, you shouldn't be trying to support a company. Just get the best value you can. That's how capitalism works.

Well, A LOT if people doesnt do that....

(aka. most casuals get Nvidia GPU no matter how good AMD GPUs is in their price segment)

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2 hours ago, Enderman said:

1) Then you should have written HBM or HBM1 not HBM/2

If you meant to say HBM + HBM2 then you write HBM(2) with the brackets implying that the 2 is conditional.

 

2) $1200 USD is not "cheap" neither is the $400-1500 of the Fury cards.

 

3) vega doesn't even exist in the market yet, everything is just rumours and suppositions.

 

4) having HBM does not magically make a GPU perform 100x better, the GPU core is what matters most by a long shot, HBM is just like a cherry on top that can get you a few more fps in certain games.

You guys realize that it's not like that?

You just can't replace one memory by the other and expect it to work the same. HBM type of memory have quirks which change the design of the core in order for it to take advantage of it. Slap a gddr5X memory on it and it doesn't work as well anymore because it's not meant to.

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6 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

You guys realize that it's not like that?

You just can't replace one memory by the other and expect it to work the same. HBM type of memory have quirks which change the design of the core in order for it to take advantage of it. Slap a gddr5X memory on it and it doesn't work as well anymore because it's not meant to.

HBM is built INTO to the GPU core. Yes it requires a completely redesigned GPU.

My point is that it is not super necessary because there are other things that make a bigger difference.

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On 6/16/2017 at 5:10 PM, Terodius said:

Except it shouldn't. If you take manufacture + packaging + shipping costs, the unit cost of a top end GPU isn't even 100USD. If you take into account all the R&D it took to develop the architecture and engineer the PCB, operating expenses, capital expenses, etc, the total per-card cost comes to something like 250USD. Nvidia is posting record profits, ripping us off with 1200USD cards because of lack of competition from AMD on that segment, and charging 700+USD for gaming cards. This is why we have to support AMD with our wallets so they can compete better with nvidia a bring us better products and reasonable prices.

You were on point until you called to support AMD with our wallets. 

 

No. 

 

One should never reward inferior products for the sake of punishing a competitor, that literally stops progress. 

 

Buy AMD when it actually fucking makes sense to like the 150-250 usd price range. 

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5 hours ago, Mihle said:

Well, A LOT if people doesnt do that....

(aka. most casuals get Nvidia GPU no matter how good AMD GPUs is in their price segment)

They don't buy nvidia to support nvidia. They buy nvidia because they were either convinced my marketing that nvidia is better or they have had bad experiences with AMD.

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On 6/16/2017 at 9:31 AM, ARikozuM said:

I'm fine with GDDR5X. No point in adding cost to a card that, at the top end, should cost 700-800.

Titan should be 700-800. GTX xx80 should be 400-500.

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Titan should be 700-800. GTX xx80 should be 400-500.

You don't buy a Titan because it's a value card. The X70 cards are the sweet spot for price/performance and should remain as such unless the market produces the change. If Nvidia provided the Titan and X80 cards for 700 and 400, AMD wouldn't sell any cards due to the price/performance being much higher or Nvidia would cease to make powerful cards at those tiers.

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On 16/06/2017 at 0:19 PM, NumLock21 said:

So HBM2 is only for their Tesla

Hopefully the TITAN X as well

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7 hours ago, Simon771 said:

I don't mind.

Skipping Volta and Vega anyway.

 

Waiting for the one that comes after Volta ... was the name for that generation released already?

Same here. Got a 1080 ti atm. Its good enough for the next 2 years at least. 

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6 hours ago, laminutederire said:

You guys realize that it's not like that?

You just can't replace one memory by the other and expect it to work the same. HBM type of memory have quirks which change the design of the core in order for it to take advantage of it. Slap a gddr5X memory on it and it doesn't work as well anymore because it's not meant to.

Actually one of the really cool features of Pascal is that their memory controller can in fact handle both just as well. 

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1 hour ago, djdwosk97 said:

They don't buy nvidia to support nvidia. They buy nvidia because they were either convinced my marketing that nvidia is better or they have had bad experiences with AMD.

Most of the time they get Nvidia because they friends has it, and then their casual friends get it because of what they got, and so on...

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1 minute ago, Mihle said:

Most of the time they get Nvidia because they friends has it, and then their casual friends get it, and so on...

My point still stands.

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3 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

My point still stands.

Haven't been burned by AMD (hah, jokes), but what you're essentially saying (or what I'm drawing from it) is that there's no Nvidia card stronger than AMD's line-up, i.e. 1080<580.

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