Nvidia Volta Won't Use HBM2, But GDDR5X

[79wjd]

2 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Haven't been burned by AMD (hah, jokes), but what you're essentially saying (or what I'm drawing from it) is that there's no Nvidia card stronger than AMD's line-up, i.e. 1080<580.

No, what I'm saying is that (most) people don't buy nvidia to support nvidia, which is what was claimed earlier. They either do it because of marketing or word of mouth. Marketing would encompass performance metrics and software.

[ARikozuM]

2 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

No, what I'm saying is that (most) people don't buy nvidia to support nvidia, which is what was claimed earlier. They either do it because of marketing or word of mouth. Marketing would encompass performance metrics and software.

Ah, thanks for clarifying. 

[NumLock21]

1 hour ago, Princess Cadence said:

Hopefully the TITAN X as well

That's a old card. Maxwell to be exact.

[Princess Luna]

12 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

That's a old card. Maxwell to be exact.

TITAN X is a line up, each generation has one, Like Razer Blade so quit it

[DocSwag]

12 hours ago, Mihle said:

Well, A LOT if people doesnt do that....

(aka. most casuals get Nvidia GPU no matter how good AMD GPUs is in their price segment)

As @djdwosk97 said, they don't buy it to support the company, they are just mislead by marketing or something else similar.

[Jahramika]

On 6/16/2017 at 11:30 AM, Ryan_Vickers said:

Is this surprising?  Really?  When did we hear they were going to use HBM?

Lol Nvidia has been talking of using Hbm2 since before Pascal was launched. Always less you get with Nvidia while they get more profitl

[laminutederire]

12 hours ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Actually one of the really cool features of Pascal is that their memory controller can in fact handle both just as well. 

It may handle both because it's meant to work for the lesser memory, so putting better memory cannot makes things worse, while amd cards are meant for the better memory, implementing things only possible with HBM and not gddr variants.

[79wjd]

6 hours ago, Jahramika said:

Lol Nvidia has been talking of using Hbm2 since before Pascal was launched. Always less you get with Nvidia while they get more profitl

At least they offer something that I can buy.

 

@laminutederire it's not about the memory being able to keep up; GDDR5X is plenty fast. It's whether or not the memory controller is capable of handling different kinds of memory.

[alphaproject]

Sometime ago... I called this bluff. They brag about something that never gets used. I know peeps are saying, what's the big deal and such but the big deal to me is they bragged to holy hell about how great HBM2 is and how it's going to make a huge difference in gaming. Now no one gets to see it and It's pretty annoying. A lot of people have been waiting for it on purpose and now we are told to just forget about it. ROTFL.

It's pretty lame if you ask me but I did call it.

[bob345]

This is to be expected. We won't even be able to use the full bandwidth of hbm2 on consumer cards so it makes zero sense to include it right now, unless you want to pay more for a card for no reason.

[79wjd]

7 hours ago, alphaproject said:

Sometime ago... I called this bluff. They brag about something that never gets used. I know peeps are saying, what's the big deal and such but the big deal to me is they bragged to holy hell about how great HBM2 is and how it's going to make a huge difference in gaming. Now no one gets to see it and It's pretty annoying. A lot of people have been waiting for it on purpose and now we are told to just forget about it. ROTFL.

It's pretty lame if you ask me but I did call it.

Were they comparing it to GDDR5 at 7ghz? Because GDDR5X and GDDR6 are both much faster whereas 7ghz GDDR5 would have limited performance, and thus HBM2 was important.

[Juanitology]

On 6/18/2017 at 6:32 AM, Misanthrope said:

You were on point until you called to support AMD with our wallets. 

 

No. 

 

One should never reward inferior products for the sake of punishing a competitor, that literally stops progress. 

 

Buy AMD when it actually fucking makes sense to like the 150-250 usd price range. 

I didn't clarify on the post, but I meant to say support AMD on the price and product range where they are competitive, which as you mentioned is low and medium end components right now. If you can get basically the same FPS/dollars from AMD or nVidia and nvidia has clearly been dicking us around for years since they've had a near monopoly, I'd much rather support AMD.

I have bought both AMD and nVidia cards int he past, so I'm not a fanboy. I've had a GeForce 256, ATI Radeon 5870, then a GTX 780, and then a Fury Nano. All I'm saying is, if they offer the same value, I'd rather support the underdog to put pressure on the bigger guy to bring out better products and not rest on their laurels.

[Drak3]

On 6/18/2017 at 10:56 AM, Princess Cadence said:

TITAN X is a line up, each generation has one, Like Razer Blade so quit it

TITAN is a lineup. Titan X is two models of that lineup, along side the OG Titan, Titan Black, Titan Z, and Titan Xp.

 

Whereas Razer's lineup is same shitty laptop, different CPU.

[Misanthrope]

37 minutes ago, Terodius said:

I didn't clarify on the post, but I meant to say support AMD on the price and product range where they are competitive, which as you mentioned is low and medium end components right now. If you can get basically the same FPS/dollars from AMD or nVidia and nvidia has clearly been dicking us around for years since they've had a near monopoly, I'd much rather support AMD.

I have bought both AMD and nVidia cards int he past, so I'm not a fanboy. I've had a GeForce 256, ATI Radeon 5870, then a GTX 780, and then a Fury Nano. All I'm saying is, if they offer the same value, I'd rather support the underdog to put pressure on the bigger guy to bring out better products and not rest on their laurels.

Fair enough

[DXMember]

5 hours ago, bob345 said:

This is to be expected. We won't even be able to use the full bandwidth of hbm2 on consumer cards so it makes zero sense to include it right now, unless you want to pay more for a card for no reason.

HBM is not about the bandwidth, it's about the latency!!!!!

GDDR5 is becoming retarded with the 11-15GT/s the timings are so loose that it starts to backfire in memory intensive applications, like compute  - for example 1070 mines faster than a 1080 just because of the memory latency between GDDR5 and GDDR5"X"

[themctipers]

On 6/16/2017 at 11:37 AM, domandric034 said:

 

When I see ur LTT profile.

@givingtnt will go:



your pony memes are bad and you should feel bad

[alphaproject]

I'm just saying Nvidia brought it up... Now they aren't using it. What was the point then?

Why didn't they just say ohh we have this new GDDR5X coming and 6...it's gonna blow your mind.

[79wjd]

1 hour ago, alphaproject said:

I'm just saying Nvidia brought it up... Now they aren't using it. What was the point then?

Why didn't they just say ohh we have this new GDDR5X coming and 6...it's gonna blow your mind.

Probably because they would have used HBM2 on the high end cards, but when they realized the yields were unsustainable they switched to something equally good that they could actually release to market. 

[mr moose]

 

On 6/19/2017 at 2:02 AM, djdwosk97 said:

No, what I'm saying is that (most) people don't buy nvidia to support nvidia, which is what was claimed earlier. They either do it because of marketing or word of mouth. Marketing would encompass performance metrics and software.

I find the accusation that people only buy nvidia to support nvidia,  or becasue they are brainwashed by the marketing hype to be insulting and quite frankly childish.

Sure the average consumer isn't the smartest cookie in the cookie jar, but we aren't talking about everyday items here, we aren't talking about device that is sold to generic joe on the corner. GPU's are sold almost exclusively to enthusiasts and professional builders. People like you and me on these forums.  To assume they are naive or gullible fanboys with a $600 spend is simply wrong. 

[AlwaysFSX]

21 hours ago, alphaproject said:

I'm just saying Nvidia brought it up... Now they aren't using it. What was the point then?

Why didn't they just say ohh we have this new GDDR5X coming and 6...it's gonna blow your mind.

Because maybe if production costs were lower it would be more cost effective. We've known HBM wasn't great since it was released on the Fury cards and saw it was barely any better and a lot more costly. Bring costs down and it'll be used, market outlook was simply wrong.

 

GDDR is more cost effective for the performance you get, and it's not like the cores are suddenly starved for memory bandwidth that everyone should jump ship and switch to something else. If that were the case the RX 5xx series would be using HBM, they aren't.

19 minutes ago, mr moose said:

I find the accusation that people only buy nvidia to support nvidia,  or becasue they are brainwashed by the marketing hype to be insulting and quite frankly childish.

Sure the average consumer isn't the smartest cookie in the cookie jar, but we aren't talking about everyday items here, we aren't talking about device that is sold to generic joe on the corner. GPU's are sold almost exclusively to enthusiasts and professional builders. People like you and me on these forums.  To assume they are naive or gullible fanboys with a $600 spend is simply wrong. 

You mean it's not wrong for me to buy the fastest card in the market because I want more FPS than what the competitor offered?

 

Whaaaaaaaat.

[mr moose]

3 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

You mean it's not wrong for me to buy the fastest card in the market because I want more FPS than what the competitor offered?

 

Whaaaaaaaat.

Yep, turns out the idea you were just supporting the company was only the opinion of someone who couldn't handle the thought of Nvidia offering a more suitable product when you wanted to buy. .

[Grinners]

1 hour ago, mr moose said:

Yep, turns out the idea you were just supporting the company was only the opinion of someone who couldn't handle the thought of Nvidia offering a more suitable product when you wanted to buy. .

Don't forget that the 1080ti, 1080 and 1070 aren't the top performers in terms of frames per second in virtually all games, that is just marketing too! /s

[DildorTheDecent]

Sounds good, but they have to pick between Hynix or Micron. 

 

Doesn't sound as good now. Hynix preferred from that lineup. Pls no Micron slows. 

 

Samsung please. 

 

Also that compression tech tho. 

[leadeater]

3 hours ago, mr moose said:

I find the accusation that people only buy nvidia to support nvidia,  or becasue they are brainwashed by the marketing hype to be insulting and quite frankly childish.

Sure the average consumer isn't the smartest cookie in the cookie jar, but we aren't talking about everyday items here, we aren't talking about device that is sold to generic joe on the corner. GPU's are sold almost exclusively to enthusiasts and professional builders. People like you and me on these forums.  To assume they are naive or gullible fanboys with a $600 spend is simply wrong. 

And a huge chunk of the sales volume difference comes from OEM computers and laptops where the majority are Nvidia GPUs, when it comes to these items there isn't much choice so consumer awareness doesn't come in to play that much. If you want a reasonably high end laptop with a GPU it's going to be an Nvidia GPU fact of life right now.

 

Nvidia has huge brand appeal and a lot of people like to buy the best so buy Nvidia, and that is not an unearned title. 

[mr moose]

9 hours ago, leadeater said:

And a huge chunk of the sales volume difference comes from OEM computers and laptops where the majority are Nvidia GPUs,

 

which what I was referring to here:

12 hours ago, mr moose said:

 

I find the accusation that people only buy nvidia to support nvidia,  or becasue they are brainwashed by the marketing hype to be insulting and quite frankly childish.

Sure the average consumer isn't the smartest cookie in the cookie jar, but we aren't talking about everyday items here, we aren't talking about device that is sold to generic joe on the corner. GPU's are sold almost exclusively to enthusiasts and professional builders. People like you and me on these forums.  To assume they are naive or gullible fanboys with a $600 spend is simply wrong. 

Although I understand some people won't accept that HP/dell/acer/etc could be referred to as professional computer builders, because that title is reserved for custom PC builders in their minds.