Xbox One X(Scorpio) Launches Nov. 7

[Taf the Ghost]

2 minutes ago, MysticLTT said:

Makes me wonder, what if they can use a $200 GPU to spit out good looking games at 4k, what the hell are we doing with our Master Race thousand dollars machines. An enthusiast strives for efficiency, yet we are building a Frankenstein that uses a brute force to drive games, sucks money and resources.

Semi-custom GPUs & CPUs. On-package interconnects between them. Fully specialized hardware to do nothing but play games.  Whereas with a normal CPU & GPU you can play a game, write a book, encode a video, make music, solve massive mathematics equations, operate another computer via a Net-viewer or play Minesweeper. 

 

It's the difference between "general compute" systems, which we use, and specifically built hardware. It's the reason there's 100s of millions of "devices" running Linux.

[Jito463]

2 minutes ago, MysticLTT said:

Makes me wonder, what if they can use a $200 GPU to spit out good looking games at 4k, what the hell are we doing with our Master Race thousand dollars machines. An enthusiast strives for efficiency, yet we are building a Frankenstein that uses a brute force to drive games, sucks money and resources.

Because in order to do that, they have to make compromises in other areas.  Lower quality textures, reduced settings, etc.  The whole point of gaming on PC is to get the best looking visuals AND high resolutions, not just "good enough" visuals (I say, as someone who still games at 1080p, heh).

[dizmo]

I watched the reveal, it was interesting. Not as many AAA games at launch as I'd like, but at least they have backwards compatibility on their side this time. I'll probably end up getting one on Black Friday if they have a sale. 

 

2 hours ago, nerdslayer1 said:

to be honest, Halo ended for me after Halo 3, after they removed split screen they killed the franchise. 

Halo 5 was pretty spot on. Wasn't a fan of anything between 2 (maaybe 3) and 5 though. 

[The Sloth]

9 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Halo 5 was pretty spot on. Wasn't a fan of anything between 2 (maaybe 3) and 5 though. 

no split screen is a big killer for me, the story seems boring also the visual downgrade, or it might just be nostalgia that keeping me from liking it.   

downgrade 

[Totallycasual]

I'm considering getting one simply for the player, i cant think of any X-Box exclusive games that interest me.  I just wish the top tier Playstation had the same player because i absolutely have to have one of them for The Last of Us and some other exclusives. 

 

Also, they should have just stuck with Scorpio, X-Box One X sounds stupid. 

[Valentyn]

4 hours ago, Jito463 said:

Because in order to do that, they have to make compromises in other areas.  Lower quality textures, reduced settings, etc.  The whole point of gaming on PC is to get the best looking visuals AND high resolutions, not just "good enough" visuals (I say, as someone who still games at 1080p, heh).

Along with absolutely thousands of combinations of hardware that's all modular essentially.

 

It's impossible to get the same low level optimisations for that since it's not a single unified hardware spec across all computers.

Also because so few developers on the PC are actually using DX12/Vulkan as the minimum low level baseline for their current game development. We still mostly get DX11 core games with DX12 wrapped onto that and yet they claim "DX12" games then. Despite it not being the baseline. That goes back to the massive hardware combinations and differences. The common denominator on PC is still DX11 for now. 

[Majestic]

i'd still say you can tweak games to run 4K30 on something like this

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sLQZ7h

 

And that's only 70 bucks above the MSRP of the xbonex. But it can also choose to run some games at 60 by sacrificing resolution or fidelity (or both). What does this machine have that makes it worth $499, i'm not seeing it.

[Doobeedoo]

Spec seem like low power FX CPU along custom RX580 with different CU/clocks for power.

[MadyTehWolfie]

7 hours ago, nerdslayer1 said:

to be honest, Halo ended for me after Halo 3, after they removed split screen they killed the franchise. 

Sad though. I grew up playing on the original Xbox and the 360 when at the time consoles were pretty decent when stacked up to PC's. Now the consoles are always a generation or a few generations behind PC hardware.

[Notional]

X Box One X

 

[SeraphicWings]

50 minutes ago, Majestic said:

i'd still say you can tweak games to run 4K30 on something like this

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sLQZ7h

 

And that's only 70 bucks above the MSRP of the xbonex. But it can also choose to run some games at 60 by sacrificing resolution or fidelity (or both). What does this machine have that makes it worth $499, i'm not seeing it.

You forgot one little fact

This is a game console plus a 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray player that supports Dolby Atmos surround sound and HDR10 high dynamic range color

FYI, a cheapest 4K UHD BD player with the same spec above will set you back for about $270

[Prysin]

12 hours ago, BuckGup said:

They say games run 4K 60FPS native...

sure, at low to medium equivalent PC settings.

[Majestic]

55 minutes ago, SeraphicWings said:

You forgot one little fact

This is a game console plus a 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray player that supports Dolby Atmos surround sound and HDR10 high dynamic range color

FYI, a cheapest 4K UHD BD player with the same spec above will set you back for about $270

580 can output HDR10 content aswell. And you assume people care about both blu-ray and games in the vast majority of use-case scenario's

[Teddy07]

Well, I have no time to play games anyways so whatever. I rather focus on my studies. Informatics is hard enough because I am not smart.

[SeraphicWings]

12 minutes ago, Majestic said:

580 can output HDR10 content aswell. And you assume people care about both blu-ray and games in the vast majority of use-case scenario's

Well I mostly think that people who buy the Xbox will also care for 4K blu-ray too right?

Else they would get a PS4 instead

[Deli]

2 hours ago, Majestic said:

i'd still say you can tweak games to run 4K30 on something like this

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sLQZ7h

 

And that's only 70 bucks above the MSRP of the xbonex. But it can also choose to run some games at 60 by sacrificing resolution or fidelity (or both). What does this machine have that makes it worth $499, i'm not seeing it.

You also forget a 1TB HDD.

[TheRandomness]

13 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Did they release a price on it yet?

$499. Just if you didn't see this already

[aGl1tch]

13 hours ago, AshleyAshes said:

WE NEED TO DISCUSS WHAT REALLY MATTERS HERE!!!

 

 

....Are we we calling this thing 'XBX' or XOX'?

How about XBOX ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°

 

edit: just saw someone else already thought of this, dang

[PCGuy_5960]

I am pretty sure that the Scorpio can do 4K 60FPS with low settings, since the RX 460 can do 4K 30FPS with low settings

The Scorpio's GPU is almost 2x faster than the 460 and games are also better optimized

[Majestic]

10 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

I am pretty sure that the Scorpio can do 4K 60FPS with low settings

No, because the CPU is weak. The reason they went for 4K is because that is a growing market and it meant they only had to upgrade the GPU and RAM.

It's still a 30fps machine, and it will not have a plethora of 1080p60 options just like the PS4 Pro.

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, Majestic said:

No, because the CPU is weak. The reason they went for 4K is because that is a growing market and it meant they only had to upgrade the GPU and RAM.

It's still a 30fps machine, and it will not have a plethora of 1080p60 options just like the PS4 Pro.

Yeah, I think they have done some proprietary shit to minimize CPU load, but in games like GTA V, Watch_dogs 2 the CPU will definitely be a bottleneck, which makes me think, why on earth did they not use Ryzen?

[Majestic]

Because the tech was way too new?

[Eniqmatic]

2 hours ago, Majestic said:

i'd still say you can tweak games to run 4K30 on something like this

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sLQZ7h

 

And that's only 70 bucks above the MSRP of the xbonex. But it can also choose to run some games at 60 by sacrificing resolution or fidelity (or both). What does this machine have that makes it worth $499, i'm not seeing it.

Except from the fact that the CPU you have chosen is wrong, the board is wrong and doesn't have Wifi which Xbox will, its either a customised version of an RX 580 as it has a few more CU units and a higher memory bandwidth and you forgot to add storage. It also has an Ultra Bluray player included of which the cheapest standalone UHD bluray player you can find is around $350 on its own.

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, Eniqmatic said:

Except from the fact that the CPU you have chosen is wrong, the board is wrong and doesn't have Wifi which Xbox will, its either a customised version of an RX 580 as it has a few more CU units and a higher memory bandwidth and you forgot to add storage.

The RX 580 has more TFLOPs, because it's clocked higher so performance should be the same

[Majestic]

Just now, Eniqmatic said:

Except from the fact that the CPU you have chosen is wrong, the board is wrong and doesn't have Wifi which Xbox will, its either a customised version of an RX 580 as it has a few more CU units and a higher memory bandwidth and you forgot to add storage.

Define "wrong"? It will run all games at 30fps, some even 60fps. Just like that jaguar in the xbox will.

 

And I'm not saying you will be able to build a custom device at the same price as a bulk unit. The commentary is, why buy the xbox over the PC. What does the xbox offer except bulletpoints gimmicks that would grab the attention. And don't give me stats, or dolby crap. It should be glaringly obvious or your argument will fail.