AMD Zen SR7 to sell for $499

[Dash Lambda]

35 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

Coffee Lake in 2017 will have a 6 core.

Really? Did Intel release the specs for their Coffee Lake chips?

[GDRRiley]

7 minutes ago, Dash Lambda said:

Really? Did Intel release the specs for their Coffee Lake chips?

it is a leaked roadmap but it looks to be correct based kaby lake and skylake http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/6-core-intel-processors-going-mainstream-in-2018-with-coffee-lake.html

[RxL]

23 hours ago, zMeul said:

unless you are blind, or something

 

SR7 - meant to be a equivalent to Intel's i7 line

SR5 - i5

SR3 - i3

 

arbitrary? coincidence? absolutely not - just a whole lot of stupidity

Naming scheme below shows how they line up

 

SR3 = budget (i3 ?)

SR5 = mainstream / pro consumer (i5 + i7)

SR7 = Enthusiast level (i7 6 or more cores)

[Dash Lambda]

36 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

It is a leaked roadmap but it looks to be correct based on Kaby Lake and Skylake: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/6-core-intel-processors-going-mainstream-in-2018-with-coffee-lake.html

I know it's a leak. I just took issue with how you stated it as an absolute fact.

Leaks, rumors, speculation, projections, nothing like that should be stated as fact, because it's never reliable. It could be right, but it could also very easily be wrong.

[GDRRiley]

1 minute ago, Dash Lambda said:

I know it's a leak. I just took issue with how you stated it as an absolute fact.

Leaks, rumors, speculation, projections, nothing like that should be stated as fact, because it's never reliable. It could be right, but it could also very easily be wrong.

I am not but it looks to be very close to real if it isn't and so far it looks correct off of what we know

[corsairian]

Will see what the benchmarks say. now may be a good time to buy AMD stock if this turns out to be good.

[patrickjp93]

4 hours ago, Prysin said:

the only " legitimate* "... because so far there is only ONE source. Who is just as likely to be wrong as anyone else.

 

Science, and benchmarking for that matter, is based on checking, checking, checking and checking again. Not reputation, nor popular opinion.

Dresdenboy has not been wrong once in his six years of sourcing AMD leaks.

 

Science is about proving, not experimenting. The scientific method only shows validity of correlation hypotheses. It doesn't prove anything, not on its own.

[patrickjp93]

52 minutes ago, corsairian said:

Will see what the benchmarks say. now may be a good time to buy AMD stock if this turns out to be good.

No, it's a very bad time. The stock is overvalued even if Zen is highly successful. It's 5.5x the price it was a year ago, its record low, even though its finances have not remotely improved. The AMD bubble needs to burst and deflate back to $5 a share before it's a morally recommendable buy.

[Prysin]

5 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

No, it's a very bad time. The stock is overvalued even if Zen is highly successful. It's 5.5x the price it was a year ago, its record low, even though its finances have not remotely improved. The AMD bubble needs to burst and deflate back to $5 a share before it's a morally recommendable buy.

It may not be as good a buy as a year ago.  But I think you're forgetting that vega will launch around the same time as Zen.  Thus stocks may rise a little more. However the risk of them plummeting due to lower then expected performance is high.  So you would have to be really good at reading the market in order to jump ship at the right time 

[Drak3]

6 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

Dresdenboy has not been wrong once in his six years of sourcing AMD leaks.

 

Science is about proving, not experimenting. The scientific method only shows validity of correlation hypotheses. It doesn't prove anything, not on its own.

Would you shut the fuck up about Dresdenboy?

He has a decent track record regurgitating some (basic) leaks, but he isn't an official source nor is his track record perfect. NO ONE HAS A PERFECT TRACK RECORD OF LEAKS.

He pulls from sources THAT HAVE BEEN WRONG before.

Not he, nor anyone else publishing leaks, should be trusted 100%.

 

We WILL NOT KNOW Zen's capabilities until Zen is out for preliminary review THROUGH 'TRUSTED' PUBLICATIONS such as LMG/LTT, 3DGuru, Tom's Hardware, etc.

[Arri]

6 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

Dresdenboy has not been wrong once in his six years of sourcing AMD leaks.

 

Science is about proving, not experimenting. The scientific method only shows validity of correlation hypotheses. It doesn't prove anything, not on its own.

That was actually quite profound. Will use this later.

[ARikozuM]

It's good to see that the hype train is still running on rumor and false hope.

Seriously though, wait for actual benchmarks. We don't need a Piledriver situation.

[MrDynamicMan]

On 11/25/2016 at 11:28 PM, zMeul said:

no it's not

if you establish your product as a rating to something that already exists, you establish yourself as a 2nd place manufacturer - and that is fucking retarded

Or its showing that you are direft competition is an easy to understand way. 

 

Look at it this way: John, who knows nothing about computers goes to best buy. He has to pick between a laptop with an i7 or a c64-j. Hes gonna pick the i7, because its easily recognizable. Now, if john is comparing between an sr7 and an i7, the decision makes a lot more sense, he can at least understand that theyre the same tier.

[ARikozuM]

26 minutes ago, MrDynamicMan said:

Or its showing that you are direft competition is an easy to understand way. 

 

Look at it this way: John, who knows nothing about computers goes to best buy. He has to pick between a laptop with an i7 or a c64-j. Hes gonna pick the i7, because its easily recognizable. Now, if john is comparing between an sr7 and an i7, the decision makes a lot more sense, he can at least understand that theyre the same tier.

And then they add an A for a CPU with iGPU. Next thing you know they make an ASMR CPU that makes odd noises that sound oddly sexual and creepy, thus making any game you play into a horror game. Have fun!

[patrickjp93]

3 hours ago, Prysin said:

It may not be as good a buy as a year ago.  But I think you're forgetting that vega will launch around the same time as Zen.  Thus stocks may rise a little more. However the risk of them plummeting due to lower then expected performance is high.  So you would have to be really good at reading the market in order to jump ship at the right time 

The risk is much greater than the reward imho, and both Zen and Vega would have to exceed market sales expectations enormously to cover the gap in market cap and financial health that reflect the real price of the stock (roughly $4.98 coming from a former financial stock broker).

 

3 hours ago, Drak3 said:

Would you shut the fuck up about Dresdenboy?

He has a decent track record regurgitating some (basic) leaks, but he isn't an official source nor is his track record perfect. NO ONE HAS A PERFECT TRACK RECORD OF LEAKS.

He pulls from sources THAT HAVE BEEN WRONG before.

Not he, nor anyone else publishing leaks, should be trusted 100%.

 

We WILL NOT KNOW Zen's capabilities until Zen is out for preliminary review THROUGH 'TRUSTED' PUBLICATIONS such as LMG/LTT, 3DGuru, Tom's Hardware, etc.

He's a former Global Foundries engineer you twit.

 

No, he has NEVER been wrong.

 

 

[treeroy]

12 hours ago, Coaxialgamer said:

The thing is it probably will hurt zen to some extent.   If zen turns out to be haswell level,  which many rumors put it at,  many will still be disappointed that it doesn't beat skylake like other rumors have said.  Remember the 480 launch? 

People were thinking that it would rival the gtx 980 because of rumors,  despite the fact amd never stated that. People can't keep their expectations in line with reality. 

 

And about the "overclocker's dream"  thing: that was said by a engineer in charge of cooling,  not someone with knowledge of the chip itself and  at what frequency the product would run at. 

You don't think the engineer in charge of cooling the processor is going to know what speed it runs at? What? Do you think all employees in a company just work in their own little bubbles? lol

[Coaxialgamer]

49 minutes ago, treeroy said:

You don't think the engineer in charge of cooling the processor is going to know what speed it runs at? What? Do you think all employees in a company just work in their own little bubbles? lol

No,  they probably don't.  In fact, i would argue that  even the chip architects don't know how fast it will run until the very end. 

[Soundsystem90]

Hope you know intel is gonna get rekt.

[Drak3]

3 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

He's a former Global Foundries engineer you twit.

Doesn't mean jack shit. He doesn't have access to the physical chips to test them, he doesn't have access to a reliable source of information to make his half assed assumptions, and it isn't uncommon for companies to push false leaks for the sake of building hype.

 

3 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

No, he has NEVER been wrong.

Bullshit. You are a fucking moron if you honestly believe that jackass has NEVER been wrong.

Going through the history of his claims, the only thing he seems to ever actually get correct is info that AMD quietly released before hand.

[patrickjp93]

Just now, Drak3 said:

Doesn't mean jack shit. He doesn't have access to the physical chips to test them, he doesn't have access to a reliable source of information to make his half assed assumptions, and it isn't uncommon for companies to push false leaks for the sake of building hype.

 

Bullshit. You are a fucking moron if you honestly believe that jackass has NEVER been wrong.

Going through the history of his claims, the only thing he seems to ever actually get correct is info that AMD quietly released before hand.

Yes he does.

 

Nope, he got Phenom II, the end of VLIW in graphics, Bulldozer, Hawaii 2816-core when everyone else predicted 3072, Vishera 5GHz, and predicted no steamroller FX before AMD ever announced a damn thing, to name a few.

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, patrickjp93 said:

Yes he does.

 

Nope, he got Phenom II, the end of VLIW in graphics, Bulldozer, Hawaii 2816-core when everyone else predicted 3072, Vishera 5GHz, and predicted no steamroller FX before AMD ever announced a damn thing, to name a few.

Straight up bullshit.

Actual publications that regurgitate his "predictions" won't even lie about his credibility and reliability.

 

Want to know why?

 

BECAUSE HE HAS LIED BEFORE. HE HAS BEEN WRONG BEFORE. HE HAS NO RELIABLE SOURCE FOR HALF OF HIS BULLSHIT CLAIMS.

[patrickjp93]

Just now, Drak3 said:

Straight up bullshit.

Actual publications that regurgitate his "predictions" won't even lie about his credibility and reliability.

 

Want to know why?

 

BECAUSE HE HAS LIED BEFORE. HE HAS BEEN WRONG BEFORE. HE HAS NO RELIABLE SOURCE FOR HALF OF HIS BULLSHIT CLAIMS.

And yet you can't provide a single source for your claims.

[Drak3]

Just now, patrickjp93 said:

And yet you can't provide a single source for your claims.

You can't provide a single source for ANY of yours regarding ZEN.

 

3DGuru, when quoting him in Rumor pieces, disclose that he "verified" the information, and has a generally good track record, but it isn't flawless.

[patrickjp93]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

You can't provide a single source for ANY of yours regarding ZEN.

 

3DGuru, when quoting him in Rumor pieces, disclose that he "verified" the information, and has a generally good track record, but it isn't flawless.

Yes I can. Very first post, 6 links. https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4x2erm/some_zen_aots_benchmarks/

 

Guru3d is an AMD shill site that won't admit he called the end of Construction FX the day after Vishera launched. That is the only thing they claim he got wrong, and he didn't.

[TheRandomness]

On 26/11/2016 at 10:58 PM, zMeul said:

unless you are blind, or something

 

SR7 - meant to be a equivalent to Intel's i7 line

SR5 - i5

SR3 - i3

 

arbitrary? coincidence? absolutely not - just a whole lot of stupidity

Or the fact that they're going off of their previous naming schemes...

R3/5/7 SSDs

R3/5/7 RAM

R5/7/9 GPUs

It makes sense.