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1 minute ago, Misanthrope said:

6900k is 8 cores 16 threads MSRP of $1000 USD, which is why I doubt this rummor: This Zen is still too good to be true.

i somewhat agree with that but its possiable that they will undersell the 6900k massivly, it would be a pretty stupid move to do it by $500 tho lol

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Is this even believable or should we just stomp this theory all together and presume its nothing but an attempt at gaining attention over a properly placed

"extreme" edition AMD cpu :/?

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46 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

The FX series had a definitely better naming scheme. While 2, 5, and 7 don't really have any meaning, other than "higher must be better", the FXs were at least meaningful in the first 2 figures. Only the two last numbers could need some simplification. 

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46 minutes ago, TheRandomness said:

SRx is the codename. Of course it's not going to actually be called that.

 

45 minutes ago, Ashiella said:

Yeah like the 8(1)50 or 8(3)50 (Being the generation, assuming so)

It makes logical sense to have the SRx part of the name just be the lineup and tier of power, with an FX number to follow.

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2 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

i somewhat agree with that but its possiable that they will undersell the 6900k massivly, it would be a pretty stupid move to do it by $500 tho lol

Yeah if they know this is 10 to 15% slower but pricing it at 20 to 30% discount would still be a great deal and it would still be 700 to 800 bucks, like 50% more cash than this 499 crap.

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1 minute ago, Misanthrope said:

Yeah if they know this is 10 to 15% slower but pricing it at 20 to 30% discount would still be a great deal and it would still be 700 to 800 bucks, like 50% more cash than this 499 crap.

yah thats how they should do it IMO, im going to save up to get a Zen hexa core if they are any good probably because i 1: want to support AMD so they dont die 2: want more threads because im starting to find streaming quite fun(Internet is still shit tho and i cant do anything about that :/ )

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9 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

6900k is 8 cores 16 threads MSRP of $1000 USD, which is why I doubt this rummor: This Zen is still too good to be true.

Or intel has been fleecing even more then you thought.  They could price according to their costs and margins as their measuring stick rather than peg against intels MSRP.

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1 hour ago, Ashiella said:

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Something else to get irritated by:

i7-3770K: 3rd gen

i7-4790K: 4th gen

i7-5775C: 5th gen

i7-6700K: 6th gen

While...

i7-3960X: 2nd gen

i7-4960X: 3rd gen

i7-5960X: 4th gen

i7-6950X: 5th gen

21 minutes ago, TheRandomness said:

8350

^ Cores

 ^ Generation

   ^ Power Level

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Something else to get irritated by:

i7-3770K: 3rd gen

i7-4790K: 4th gen

i7-5775C: 5th gen

i7-6700K: 6th gen

While...

i7-3960X: 2nd gen

i7-4960X: 3rd gen

i7-5960X: 4th gen

i7-6950X: 5th gen

FX-9590

9590

^ AMD saying fuck you

 ^ Generation

   ^ Power level

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6 minutes ago, TheRandomness said:

9590

^ AMD saying fuck you

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Time for EXTREME SPECULATION

 

AMD SR7 ($499) -  8 cores, 16 threads - 3.2 Ghz Normal - 3.5 Ghz Boost - Better IPC (~3.4% better)

Intel i7-6800k ($449) - 6 cores, 12 threads - 3.4 Ghz Normal - 3.6 Ghz Boost - Worse IPC (~3.4% worse)

 

The IPC figures come from AMD's blender video versus an i7-6900k, which has the same basic die as the i7-6800k, and therefore should have the same IPC per core. If you wanna see my method and math check the spoiler at bottom of the post. 

 

I will use a made up unit, the "performance unit", to compare these 2 specific chips in relative terms. To calculate the relative performance of a chip, you start at one, add half the percent difference of IPC (because you compare 2 chips), multiply by the boost clock, and multiply by the number of threads. This doesn't have any correlation to performance numerically, but it does show the performance relatively between the SR7 and i7-6800k.

 

SR7:

 

1 + 0.017 = 1.017 * 3.5 = 3.5595 * 16 = 56.952 performance units

 

i7-6800k:

 

1 + (-0.017) = 0.983 * 3.6 = 3.5388 * 12 = 42.4656 performance units

 

The SR7 is supposedly 34.11% faster than the i7-6800k, but the SR7 is supposedly $50 more expensive.

To compare value, you find the performance units per cost.

 

SR7:

 

56.952 / $499 = 0.11413226 performance units per dollar

 

i7-6800k:

 

42.4656 / $449 = 0.09457817 performance units per dollar

 

If you divide each result by the lowest result, you can figure out the adjusted value:

 

SR7:

 

0.11413226 / 0.09457817 = 1.20675 adjusted value

 

i7-6800k:

 

0.09457817 / 0.09457817 = 1.00000 adjusted value 

 

For every dollar spent, the SR7 supposedly provides a 20.0675% better value.

 

For reference, when you do this with the FX-9590 and 4790k, the 4790k is 17.3% faster but 318.4% better value at launch price, $920 and $339 respectively.


Of course, this is a WCCFtech article. WCCFTech has been both right (480) and wrong (390x) about specs in the past. For those who don't remember, WCCF became infamous for jumping to conclusions about the R9 390X, which they had assumed would be running the Fiji XT chip that was actually meant for the Fury X. As a result, the R9 300 series refreshes disappointed many after WCCF published articles that implied the 300 series would be 45% faster than the preceding 200 series, when in reality most cards did not see more than a 5% improvement (9 times slower). Recently their leaks have been somewhat more accurate, but I would account that to chance rather than any increase in WCCF's credibility. 

 

Stay skeptical, but these numbers imply that Zen will be very good. 
  
 

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I calculated the IPC difference by taking the Youtube Zen demo video (link at bottom of spoiler) and measuring the time it takes the Zen and Broadwell-E finish. The actual finish is very close, but because the speed is relative, I took my measurements while playing the video at 1/4 speed to give myself a better reaction time.

 

Zen chip: 75.32 seconds 

Intel chip: 77.89 seconds

 

77.89 divided by 75.32 equals 1.03412:1 ratio, which means the zen is 3.4% faster.

 

AMD Zen (SR7) vs Intel i7-6900k

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1 hour ago, patrickjp93 said:

Even though that never happened with Athlon 64 or the cheap productivity movement of the FX 8 series...

That was long time ago and the market changed since then but I understand what you mean, Intel still got a lot bigger fan base and satisfied customers in general that are willing to pay premium for the same performance just because Intel.

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4 minutes ago, WereCat said:

That was long time ago and the market changed since then but I understand what you mean, Intel still got a lot bigger fan base and satisfied customers in general that are willing to pay premium for the same performance just because Intel.

Better reliability with Intel too. It's not half as much about fanboying as you may think.

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3 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

Better reliability with Intel too. It's not half as much about fanboying as you may think.

Anyone who likes Intel is a bit wrong in the head.

It's hard to be fanboys when a companies knows, and is taking full advantage of the fact, that it's basically the only option.

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I feel like they should name their SKUs or at least start with A, A3, A5, A7 xxxx.

But as you know people don't take the time to read, do some research and buy out of impulse and wonder why they didn't get what they wanted/paid for.

Yes apple named their SoCs A7, A8, etc. so that could be a confusing event.

Also I used to have a flyer for bestbuy that was 3 years old, I was wondering what AMD vision was. There was some confusing names for their laptops like E-350, 450 etc.

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2 hours ago, Cosmopath said:

Why do people still take WCCFTech's word for things? They're such an awful publication. 

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58 minutes ago, TheRandomness said:

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We will see as soon as they are released.

Rumors like this dont really mean much to me.

Numbers look promissing, but cannot relaid on any true source.

allthough the numbers look to be fairly in line with that JIm Keller said last year.

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Rumor or not, it would be a bit it if they undercut much and performance is there though. But we'll see. Hopefully they'll really great chips.

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Cool, can't wait for temps

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29 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

Cool, can't wait for temps

Temperature was never problem with AMD CPUs but the heat output was.

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2 hours ago, MoonSpot said:

Or intel has been fleecing even more then you thought.

I don't see how they're pretty fucking merciless. No vaseline or nothing.

 

But point taken though: we're not sure how many intel would move with reasonable prices so they could come out swinging hard enough to get a T.K.O.

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AMD copying Dodge's Challenger SR7 much?
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4 hours ago, zMeul said:
  1. the naming scheme is absolutely retarded
  2. the price, if right, is competitive

Only if the quad core SR3 beats quad core i5s....

 

Otherwise the pricing is stupid.

 

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