AMD has revealed the budget-friendly AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT at CES 2022

[Pup Shepard]

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AMD’s Radeon RX 6000 series of graphics cards offer a tempting next-generation gaming experience – the problem for many gamers has been stock, and as a knock-on effect, price.

While the flagship RX 6800 XT and 6900 XT are still hard to come by at RRP, AMD has just revealed a new graphics card that could circumvent most of the stock issues plaguing the market right now.

It’s called the AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT, and the entry-level 1080p gaming-focused graphics card is due for release in the coming days following a CES 2022 announcement. Here’s all there is to know right now.

When will the AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT be released?
The AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT is set to be released on 19 January 2021 following a CES 2022 reveal. 

 

 

My thoughts are,  I hope they have enough production capacity to last a little bit before they sell out.  My guess is that article forgot to mention the time machine also announced at ces

 

 

Sources

https://www.techadvisor.com/news/pc-components/amd-radeon-rx-6500-xt-3811932/

[porina]

Was just looking at what we know, and also the just announced nvidia 3050 too.

 

6500 XT, $200, 4GB, 6nm. Jan 19. Lower budget gamers rejoice? This card isn't going to the Ethereum mines with that limited VRAM. In raw perf it should be slightly over half a 6600 XT, or 3/4 of a 6600. 

 

3050, $249, 8GB. Jan 27. At 9 "shader" TFLOPS I think that compares to 12 TFLOPS of 3060, so about 75% the raw performance there. But 8GB VRAM... if it is anywhere near MSRP it'll be going straight to the mines.

 

Don't forget Intel are due to release Arc this quarter too. I think their event is on in 45 minutes so we might get more info then.

 

[Donut417]

Wonder what it really will cost after the scalper markup? 

[KaitouX]

That price with 4GB of VRAM and probably 1660 level of performance(probably will be a way worse in heavier games, due to horrible 1% lows caused by the 4GB VRAM + PCIe x8), that is really bad.

Also why is AMD comparing this to the 1650 and 570? It's priced closer to the 580/5500XT and 1660.

 

 

 

[Tristerin]

So basically they are releasing an R9 Fury X (2015 release) in terms of performance.

 

Well now.  What times we live in.

[Radium_Angel]

4 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

So basically they are releasing an R9 Fury X (2015 release) in terms of performance.

 

Well now.  What times we live in.

And you still won't be able to touch one for under 400$

[Tristerin]

5 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

And you still won't be able to touch one for under 400$

Yeah Im having a hard time not picking up a 5600g for the kiddo atm and saying F a GPU completely.  

 

Used market is horrible.  New market is horrible.  

 

My hobby isnt worth that sort of investment.

[Radium_Angel]

1 minute ago, Tristerin said:

My hobby isnt worth that sort of investment.

You are dead on, I used to build systems just for fun, and give them away because used parts were a dime a dozen around here.

Now with prices what they are (and no end in sight to this) it's sucked all the fun out of it.

[Shreyas1]

1 hour ago, porina said:

Was just looking at what we know, and also the just announced nvidia 3050 too.

 

3050 already existed in laptops though right? So we know that its performance is going to be at least slightly better than whatever performance those laptops get

[AlTech]

1 hour ago, porina said:

Was just looking at what we know, and also the just announced nvidia 3050 too.

 

6500 XT, $200, 4GB, 6nm. Jan 19. Lower budget gamers rejoice? This card isn't going to the Ethereum mines with that limited VRAM. In raw perf it should be slightly over half a 6600 XT, or 3/4 of a 6600. 

4GB RAM is just an insult in 2022. Even if you buy the argument that it stops miners being interested, it's just punishing gamers. If they can't sell it with 8GB VRAM to gamers then they shouldn't even be selling it at all.

[rcmaehl]

Darn, sold out already?

[Zodiark1593]

34 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

4GB RAM is just an insult in 2022. Even if you buy the argument that it stops miners being interested, it's just punishing gamers. If they can't sell it with 8GB VRAM to gamers then they shouldn't even be selling it at all.

Not sure. Is literally nothing better than something?

[Donut417]

1 hour ago, Tristerin said:

My hobby isnt worth that sort of investment.

That’s why a prebuilt or laptop will likely be my future in to PC gaming. The market is not likely to recover any time soon. 

[Kisai]

2 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

4GB RAM is just an insult in 2022. Even if you buy the argument that it stops miners being interested, it's just punishing gamers. If they can't sell it with 8GB VRAM to gamers then they shouldn't even be selling it at all.

That's looking at it wrong.

 

They can't selling 4GB+ cards because the cost to acquire the VRAM is too expensive for a cheap card.  We know 4GB is "enough" for the rubbish-tier GPU's that are barely better than iGPU's, since the GDDR memory is faster than system memory in these circumstances. 

 

So you'll see these 4GB cards in laptops, and not that many desktops. As it is, if you try to buy a desktop or a laptop right now with a GPU better than a 4GB card, it's unobtanium. It's good enough for a 1080p30, maybe 1080p60 experience, but nothing better.

 

[porina]

3 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

4GB RAM is just an insult in 2022. Even if you buy the argument that it stops miners being interested, it's just punishing gamers. If they can't sell it with 8GB VRAM to gamers then they shouldn't even be selling it at all.

It's a lower level card and should have lower level expectations with it. Without using FSR or similar, I'd expect it to run native 1080p60 at around medium settings depending on the game.

 

1 hour ago, Kisai said:

We know 4GB is "enough" for the rubbish-tier GPU's that are barely better than iGPU's, since the GDDR memory is faster than system memory in these circumstances. 

I'd expect this to be significantly better than any current iGPU and even the just announced Ryzen 6000.

[Doobeedoo]

I was hoping to see some news on RX 7000 series. But yeah, later on then.

[thechinchinsong]

2 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

4GB RAM is just an insult in 2022. Even if you buy the argument that it stops miners being interested, it's just punishing gamers. If they can't sell it with 8GB VRAM to gamers then they shouldn't even be selling it at all.

I don't really think so. 4GB for a x500 tier card from AMD is not that outrageous imo. It's the pricing that bums me out. Decent performance low budget cards don't really exist from AMD or Nvidia right now, but hopefully it'll get better in the future.

[Blademaster91]

The 4GB of RAM means this card is going to be ram limited, its not going to do well on any games that need more ram, though $200 for a budget card is really bad.

 

[poochyena]

5 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

4GB RAM is just an insult in 2022. Even if you buy the argument that it stops miners being interested, it's just punishing gamers. If they can't sell it with 8GB VRAM to gamers then they shouldn't even be selling it at all.

huh? Whats wrong with 4gb? I'm using a 4gb card right now. Its perfectly fine for 1080p gaming or 4k content consumption. We need more cards with modern hdmi and displayport ports that support the latest standards while also being cheap. This would be perfect for anyone wanting to watch or edit content in 4k and only do little to no gaming. Some older cards don't support 4k 60hz at the full color space with HDR or can't handle more than one display at a high resolution.

[AlTech]

12 hours ago, porina said:

It's a lower level card and should have lower level expectations with it. Without using FSR or similar, I'd expect it to run native 1080p60 at around medium settings depending on the game.

And a low level card should still have 8GB RAM even if it's on a 128 bit memory bus.

 

The RX 580 and RX 5500 XT both had 8GB RAM options for $229. We've been stuck on the 1080p 60fps budget card at $200 since 2016. Going down from 8GB is a downgrade from previous cards at this price point irrespective of the current situation. The last $200 card AMD released with less VRAM was in 2015. Are we really going back in time to 2015 and ignoring the progress made since then?

 

Lower Level Expectations are fair when the expectations are 1080p High Refresh Rate. This price tier used to be what 70 to 80% of GPU buyers chose when buying a GPU.

10 hours ago, poochyena said:

huh? Whats wrong with 4gb? I'm using a 4gb card right now. Its perfectly fine for 1080p gaming or 4k content consumption. We need more cards with modern hdmi and displayport ports that support the latest standards while also being cheap. This would be perfect for anyone wanting to watch or edit content in 4k and only do little to no gaming. Some older cards don't support 4k 60hz at the full color space with HDR or can't handle more than one display at a high resolution.

For a gaming card 4GB is not enough. 1080p these days requires more and more VRAM. 6GB is proving to be almost not enough for no compromises 1080p. 4GB 1080p gaming is the definition of compromises.

 

13 hours ago, Kisai said:

They can't selling 4GB+ cards because the cost to acquire the VRAM is too expensive for a cheap card.

I doubt it for AMD. For Nvidia I know that's not true, they have so much stock of G6X that they don't know what to do with it.

 

Even with elevated costs they should still have put 8GB G6 on it and charged more.

13 hours ago, Kisai said:

  We know 4GB is "enough" for the rubbish-tier GPU's that are barely better than iGPU's, since the GDDR memory is faster than system memory in these circumstances. 

$200 is not a rubbish tier GPU. $200 is the GPU that around 80% of PC gamers buying a GPU will buy.

13 hours ago, Kisai said:

So you'll see these 4GB cards in laptops, and not that many desktops.

We've already been seeing 4GB cards in laptops. There's no need for AMD to contribute more e-waste to the pile that Nvidia's making.

 

6GB is barely enough for 1080p these days.

13 hours ago, Kisai said:

As it is, if you try to buy a desktop or a laptop right now with a GPU better than a 4GB card, it's unobtanium. It's good enough for a 1080p30, maybe 1080p60 experience, but nothing better.

Then they shouldn't be releasing that card until the crypto people stop buying GPUs. Giving a GPU 4GB VRAM to turn off the cyrpto miners is the wrong way to deal with this problem imo.

15 hours ago, Zodiark1593 said:

Not sure. Is literally nothing better than something?

In this case I would say yes. Partially because it doesn't give people e-waste they'll need to throw away once the GPU shortage runs out, and partially because they should just be waiting out the crypto miners instead. At some point Etherium will move away from proof of work and at that time people will sell their GPUs used which will crash the GPU market.

 

if AMD wanted to make this card with 8GB VRAM and instruct retailers and partners to not sell to anyone who hasn't gamed at least X number of hours in the past year then that would be fine. It freezes out people new to PC gaming but so would any other type of gamer verification programme so they'd just need to buy a prebuilt. Another thing that could work is AMD could also allow people who don't satisfy the gaming hours requirement to purchase one if they've purchased 1 or more AMD GPUs in the not too distant past (say 3-5 years) or 2 or more in the past 10 years.

 

This also effectively whitelists anybody who's a repeat customer and not likely to be a miner but a legitimate customer who's a gamer or a creator. They'd have to not count GPU purchases within the past 2 years to stop miners and scalpers from trying to claim to be repeat customers but I think that's fine.

[AlTech]

5 hours ago, thechinchinsong said:

I don't really think so. 4GB for a x500 tier card from AMD is not that outrageous imo.

With the RX480, RX 580, and RX 5500XT it was fine because AMD also sold an 8GB option. If they only sold 4GB RAM options on those cards then there would have been outrage.

 

This is the replacement of RX 5500XT which itself was the replacement for the RX 480 and RX 580. 8GB Is really what should have been offered.

5 hours ago, thechinchinsong said:

It's the pricing that bums me out. Decent performance low budget cards don't really exist from AMD or Nvidia right now, but hopefully it'll get better in the future.

I hate to break it to you but we're never going back to sub $200 GPUs. AMD's not interested in making $100 or $150 GPUs anymore. AMD's barely interested in making $200 GPUs.

 

AMD is only selling this GPU because their APUs are too slow to compete with this. Once they have an APU that is faster than this they'll stop selling $200 cards in future generations.

 

Eventually (by RX 8000 or so) the cheapest dGPU AMD will sell will be $400 or $500 with everything below that being APUs. This is the true end of budget dGPU gaming as we know it.

[Zodiark1593]

1 hour ago, AluminiumTech said:

 

 

Eventually (by RX 8000 or so) the cheapest dGPU AMD will sell will be $400 or $500 with everything below that being APUs. This is the true end of budget dGPU gaming as we know it.

Quite the ray of sunshine, I see. Ian Cutress also showed pretty stark pessimism at the future of budget pc gaming, as shown from this article snippet. 
 

“For everyone else, the days of buying $600 gaming systems is pretty much gone. In this instance, if you can find a console, that’s our recommendation.”

 

Tbh, If PC gaming evolve to focus less on visuals, and more so about the flexibility and openness afforded, I certainly won’t be sorry. 

[poochyena]

1 hour ago, AluminiumTech said:

For a gaming card 4GB is not enough. 1080p these days requires more and more VRAM.

I game every day and have never hit any vram limits for 1080p. I game at 1080p, 1440p, or even 4k. Not everyone plays the latest AAA games.

5 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said:

Quite the ray of sunshine, I see. Ian Cutress also showed pretty stark pessimism at the future of budget pc gaming, as shown from this article snippet. 
 

“For everyone else, the days of buying $600 gaming systems is pretty much gone. In this instance, if you can find a console, that’s our recommendation.”

 

Tbh, If PC gaming evolve to focus less on visuals, and more so about the flexibility and openness afforded, I certainly won’t be sorry. 

I think thats dumb. It depends entirely on the games you play. Only care about the latest flavor of the month AAA game? Sure, maybe its true. Mainly interested in the 10s of thousands of other games that aren't AAA games or are AAA games made 3+ years ago? Then even a ryzen APU will get you far for very cheap.

[AlTech]

23 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said:

Quite the ray of sunshine, I see.

This is what reliable leakers are saying and it's because gamers have been punishing AMD for being different than Nvidia.

 

AMD sold far less polaris and Vega cards than Nvidia sold equivalent cards. AMD is done with offering better value dGPU products, they want to drive up prices so that they can survive with fewer cards sold than Nvidia and still make great profit. They know gamers would choose Nvidia even if Nvidia was more expensive, less efficient, or less powerful than AMD. The AMD that created RX 400 series and RX 500 series cards is dead. The new AMD is and will be performance competitive with Nvidia with an equally large price tag to match.

[AlTech]

28 minutes ago, poochyena said:

I game every day and have never hit any vram limits for 1080p. I game at 1080p, 1440p, or even 4k. Not everyone plays the latest AAA games.

If you play non-demanding games or indie games then 4GB may be fine but minimum requiremets for new AAA games coming out across the board are roughly: GTX 1050Ti/1650 with 4GB VRAM. For your needs it may be fine but this card is a new card that is meant to play AAA games for the next few years. Nvidia's competitor to this is the $50 more expensive RTX 3050 with 8GB VRAM on desktop.