be quiet! Might Be Able To Sell Their New AIO In The US

[nick name]

Summary

As many of y'all might know Asetek has a strangle-hold on the US AIO market with their pump on block patent and that's kept be quiet!'s AIO offerings out of the market in the past.  And while there are more AIOs out now that seem to avoid infringing on that patent -- the more the merrier.  Especially, from a well-respected player. 

 

On top of being another option -- be quiet! seems to be adding more value beyond what is currently available.   

 

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be quiet! is equipping the Pure Loops with CPU blocks that come with nickel plating, a 27 mm thick radiator, and white LED lighting on the block. Even though most AIO's last long enough nowadays to not warrant early replacement, be quiet! built a refill port into the Pure Loops and ships it with a small bottle of coolant, so that you can refill it or top it off after running for 5 years to get a bit more life out of it, rather than retiring it to the landfill. 

 

The Pure Loop will come in 120mm, 240mm, 280mm, and 360mm variants, with pricing ranging from $85 to $120.

 

My thoughts

Look at that pricing!  Getting a clean looking 360mm for around $120 these days usually means you're choosing from one or two options, but also getting something that you don't have to throw away when empty?  I can't think of any at this price point.  At least not that can be refilled easily and without having to buy anything extra.  

 

Sources

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/be-quiet-teases-new-aio-with-doubledecoupled-pump

[spartaman64]

how do you patent where something is placed ... can i patent putting my computer to the left of my desk and sue anyone who places it there

[Lurick]

1 minute ago, spartaman64 said:

how do you patent where something is placed ... can i patent putting my computer to the left of my desk and sue anyone who places it there

No you cannot because I got it first!

[spartaman64]

2 minutes ago, Lurick said:

No you cannot because I got it first!

darn

[RejZoR]

I was wondering how come AiO's disappeared from BeQuiet webpage all of a sudden. And they still don't list any AiO's on it. Out of all, this design actually makes the most sense. And because pump is located on the pipes which act like vibration dampeners, the pump noise should not transfer to system chassis in any way. Which is actually a neat perk. it also doesn't add up to the radiator bulk like most other AiO's that tried to bypass Asetek patents. Clever Germans always find a way

[nick name]

8 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

how do you patent where something is placed ... can i patent putting my computer to the left of my desk and sue anyone who places it there

Bro, if people wanna come in and put their computers on my desk I'm just gonna let them and collect computers.  

[TVwazhere]

Uh excuse me sir i think you missed the more important news....

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be quiet! also informed us that it is coming out with a white version of the Shadow Rock 3 cooler, and it is updating the Silent Base 801 to the 802, which will come with extra front and top mesh covers so that you can pick between silence or performance.

 

The Pure Loop and white Shadow Rock 3 will be available in October, with the updated Silent Base chassis landing towards the end of November.

[nick name]

Just now, TVwazhere said:

Uh excuse me sir i think you missed the more important news....

Maaaaan, I use a Thermaltake Core P3.  Nobody puts baby in a box.  

[GravityHurts]

That would be nice. I really like Be Quiet's design style and I'm in the market for an AIO.

[Salv8 (sam)]

so who will be able to sell their AIO in the US?

[Used-As-A-Shield]

I wonder if the mesh front of the 802 will fit on the 801.

[TrigrH]

I loved the much cleaner look of the older model:

 

Full copper AIO, powerful pump also. If only the tubing had a sleeve on it, would be perfect.

[nick name]

10 minutes ago, TrigrH said:

I loved the much cleaner look of the older model:

 

Full copper AIO, powerful pump also. If only the tubing had a sleeve on it, would be perfect.

Yeah, the new cold plate is nickel plated from what I read and that likely means aluminum components.  And the new hoses have a pump mounted on them, but they don't have that weird coiled ring around the hoses the old ones had.  I know the previous hose material they used called for it and I could look it up, but I that means watching videos and that would take work.

 

But overall the one is still a clean looking radiator and fans.    

[DavidKalinowski]

On 9/3/2020 at 9:27 AM, spartaman64 said:

how do you patent where something is placed ... can i patent putting my computer to the left of my desk and sue anyone who places it there

I mean, apple patented rounded corners on a rectangle.. then sued samsung for using the idea and won... so yea.

[Gohardgrandpa]

If they have a 360mm aio for $120 I’ll buy it the day it’s available. Take my money 

[AlwaysWong]

Rgb? 

[Gohardgrandpa]

7 hours ago, AlwaysWong said:

Rgb? 

I don’t care if it’s rgb or flat black. I’ll swap fans if I need to for that price 

[Bombastinator]

On 9/3/2020 at 9:27 AM, spartaman64 said:

how do you patent where something is placed ... can i patent putting my computer to the left of my desk and sue anyone who places it there

It’s a really common thing.  There was an example of porche’s 928 engine cut in half and used for the 944, which was done with large balancing weights.  It had be previously believed that a four cylinder engine had to be designed as a four cylinder engine and would use different parts.  Chrysler neatly avoided their patent by placing the weights in the crank case rather than the engine block. It was actually better and cheaper to build to boot

[Orangeator]

I really wish Asetek's patent on AIO pump placement would die a fiery death, sooner rather than later. 

[nick name]

On 9/7/2020 at 12:14 AM, Orangeator said:

I really wish Asetek's patent on AIO pump placement would die a fiery death, sooner rather than later. 

I'd imagine a larger market would lead to that, but liquid coolers are not as ubiquitous as something like a car.  And the current Asetek patent feels like patenting a car with its engine mounted in the front.  

[Bombastinator]

34 minutes ago, nick name said:

I'd imagine a larger market would lead to that, but liquid coolers are not as ubiquitous as something like a car.  And the current Asetek patent feels like patenting a car with its engine mounted in the front.  

That actually was patented for a while.  Ran out a very long time ago.  Those types of patents are referred to as basic patents.  They’re considered more valuable.

[nick name]

15 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

That actually was patented for a while.  Ran out a very long time ago.  Those types of patents are referred to as basic patents.  They’re considered more valuable.

Look at @Bombastinator teaching me something.  I didn't know that.  Thank you, sir.  

[Quinnell]

I wasn't aware Asetek had a 'strangle-hold on the US AIO market.'  There's several companies selling AIO units like Corsair, CoolerMaster, and NZXT.  Am I missing something?

[Bombastinator]

43 minutes ago, Quinnell said:

I wasn't aware Asetek had a 'strangle-hold on the US AIO market.'  There's several companies selling AIO units like Corsair, CoolerMaster, and NZXT.  Am I missing something?

AFAIK the way it works is Asetek holds a patent on attaching a pump to the top of a cooler.  Currently you can pay for the privilege, as many companies have, put your pump inside the radiator instead in the exact center where the fan motor covers up the cooling anyway, as a few other companies have, or you can only sell coolers where that patent is not enforceable, which yet a few other companies have.  Someone may think about another end run around the patent or the patent may run out.  The thing has been around for awhile.  It’s got some sort of time limit.

An example of famous historical basic patents

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In the 19th century there were two punters who’s last business attempt was a failed shirt manufacturing operation.  They bought the design and patents for a rather lousy revolver from an inventor and made a deal with him where they would pay him a generous royalty if he would pay to defend one of the patents of his design (the only part they actually wanted which was a rather absurd claim of drilling out a cylinder  of a revolver all the way through to accept a cartridge.  The inventor wound up making nothing as all of they royalties were spent defending the patent, but the failed shirt manufacturers as a result had a lock on all cartridge firing revolvers in the United States.  Their names were “Smith” and “Wesson”.  You may have heard of them.

a pointless thought on how the Asetek patent might be gotten around

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My first thought on end running the asetek patent would be to note that there’s a good 140mm or more to play with I. Even slim cases. Put the pump on to of a pair of short stiff hoses (pipes) and surround it with a downdraft fan for the VRM.  The short hoses would make the thing annoyingly tall, but could make it no longer part of the cold plate system.  Unless that is already been thought of and asetek has a patent on that too.  That’s the way this sort of thing generally works.  There isn’t one patent but a hundred or two that sort of surround the one patent that actually gets built.

 

[nick name]

42 minutes ago, Quinnell said:

I wasn't aware Asetek had a 'strangle-hold on the US AIO market.'  There's several companies selling AIO units like Corsair, CoolerMaster, and NZXT.  Am I missing something?

Many of those companies use an Asetek AIO with their own branding and customizations.