Intel To Launch Ice Lake 8 Core, 16 Thread Mainstream CPUs in Second Half of 2018

[The_Tempo_Golem]

an exciting new update about intel's next generation of CPUs. finaly they are getting on the same level as AMD ryzen

the article says "The details come from Eurocom, a known manufacturer of high-end laptops and workstations" 

not much else to say about it besides that it means that may soon no longer be the best 8c/16t option soon

https://www.google.com/amp/wccftech.com/intel-10nm-ice-lake-8-core-16-thread-mainstream-cpu-leak/amp/#ampshare=http://wccftech.com/intel-10nm-ice-lake-8-core-16-thread-mainstream-cpu-leak/

[iRileyx]

I wonder what their obsession with Lakes is.

 

Need to follow the tech news format btw.

[Okjoek]

Isn't Zen 2 supposed to be out around that time with 12 core mainstream desktop?

[PCGuy_5960]

Thanks AMD

Edited September 17, 2017 by PCGuy_5960

[dexT]

1 minute ago, RKRiley said:

I wonder what their obsession with Lakes is.

 

Need to follow the tech news format btw.

They've been in Alcohol Lake.

 

I'll be getting this if in the $350 price range.

[The_Tempo_Golem]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Fix your post so that it meets posting guidelines:

 

Working on it

[Jurrunio]

OMG Coffee butchered the 7800x and 7820x and this rumoured Ice Lake will kill the 7900x, the cheapest i9. X299 is really a failure at this point.

2 minutes ago, Okjoek said:

Isn't Zen 2 supposed to be out around that time with 12 core mainstream desktop?

Most likely no. There's no space for another CCX unit on the CPU.

[ScratchCat]

Intels core counts in the wake of ryzen 

The source is WCCF tech so please view with a truck of salt. It would be verry unlikely for Intel to go so quickly to 8 core CPUs when they still have the IPC and clock speed advantage, and if this is on 10 nm the yields would be horrendous.

[Coaxialgamer]

Let's hope this isn't skylake refresh refresh refresh... 

[DarkBlade2117]

After upgrading to a 1080/Ti and my monitors, I have no reason to upgrade until 2019 or games start properly utilizing more than 4c/8t. Plus at 1440p, think my CPU will last a bit longer

[79wjd]

19 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

OMG Coffee butchered the 7800x and 7820x and this rumoured Ice Lake will kill the 7900x, the cheapest i9. X299 is really a failure at this point.

Most likely no. There's no space for another CCX unit on the CPU.

Each CCX on zen2/+ is rumored to have six cores.

[CommandMan7]

Although this may give Intel 100% CPU benchmark dominance if true (and priced correctly), I think there's one factor in AMD's favor that's been neglected: APU's. By the time this comes out, it's likely that AMD will have released an mainstream APU capable of flawless Ultra 1080p gaming, which is where the majority of the gaming market is. This would eliminate the need for any card less powerful than a 1060, while also making a comparable Intel/Nvidia build hundreds of dollars more expensive than just an AMD APU build. Of course, the high end gaming market will likely remain Intel, but for the majority of gaming builds AMD would have a huge advantage.

[dexT]

1 minute ago, djdwosk97 said:

Each CCX on zen2/+ is rumored to have six cores.

Niiiiicce

[Drak3]

3 minutes ago, CUDA_Cores said:

No matter who wins, this will be great for gamers all around because developers will be forced to code games for many-core processors now, they won't even have a choice.

Games are largely serial in nature, pyo. We stand to benefit more from them trying to take advantage of more efficient instruction sets like AVX2 more than trying to parallelize tasks that have little room for it, pyo.

[79wjd]

6 minutes ago, CUDA_Cores said:

Intel and AMD are in a core war, yet according to you if these cores have no benefit to gaming, why add them at all? 

There is a lot more to the CPU market than just gaming. And also, the FX8 sold decently even though Intel performed far better -- bigger numbers sell. 

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Because if you are correct, Intel and AMD should probably focus beyond silicon to some other material that has more room for either IPC gains, increased clock-speed or both.

It's a lot easier/cheaper to add cores that it is to figure out how to work with a new material and or develop a new architecture -- AMD created a brand new architecture (e.g. Zen), and even it couldn't match Intel's IPC (of course Intel is using a much more mature architecture, but the point is that increasing core count is a LOT easier than increasing IPC -- regardless of how you choose to go about doing it). 

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Also, not every single person aout there is a "content creator." Nearly everyone that will use these CPUs are gamers. 

That's incredibly naive to think that. And it's even more naive to think that it would be profitable for Intel/AMD to develop an entire architecture around CPUs that target non-gamers and then an entirely separate one for gamers. As it is, Intel basically only does that for the niche market that the Xeon Phi caters to, and it can get away with that because of its high price tag -- a 9700k priced at $2000 isn't selling. 

[Drak3]

Just now, CUDA_Cores said:

Intel and AMD are in a core war, yet according to you if these cores have no benefit to gaming, why add them at all? 

I didn't say there was no benefit, I said that there was little benefit, pyo. And Gaming, far from the only thing that computers are used for, pyo.

 

1 minute ago, CUDA_Cores said:

Because if you are correct, Intel and AMD should probably focus beyond silicon to some other material that has more room for either IPC gains

That takes time, Intel's already doing R&D into moving past silicon, pyo. It doesn't happen over night, pyo. Hell, people like to say that Skylake was in development for a good 3 years before release, but that sounds like a gross underestimate to me, pyo.

 

3 minutes ago, CUDA_Cores said:

If so, then why are intel and AMD adding cores in the first place if it has no benefit to the people who will primarily use these CPU's.

Both Intel and AMD's mainstream CPUs are used for workstations where things like ECC memory are not a primary concern, pyo. They're not just used by herp a derp consumers, pyo.

 

5 minutes ago, CUDA_Cores said:

Also not, not every single person aout there is a "content creator."

No, but many people will multitask more if they know that their systems can allow it, pyo.

 

6 minutes ago, CUDA_Cores said:

Nearly everyone that will use these CPUs are gamers. 

Explain your reasoning behind that, pyo.

[Trik'Stari]

1 minute ago, CUDA_Cores said:

uhh, intel does this already...

 

Ever since around 2010 Intel has segmented their "mainstream" and "enthusiast" platforms. I am referring to how Intel has had the LGA115X sockets that only support up to 4 core CPUs while Intel also has an enthusiest platform that can even use Xeon server processors and server RAM. Clearly they are optimized for each persons needs and workflow. Yes, they are somewhat interchangeable, (I could game on X299 and edit videos on Z270) but each chipset is trying to target a different audience.

Isn't the workstation platform better for game streaming?

[Vode]

7 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

I didn't say there was no benefit, I said that there was little benefit, pyo. And Gaming, far from the only thing that computers are used for, pyo.

 

That takes time, Intel's already doing R&D into moving past silicon, pyo. It doesn't happen over night, pyo. Hell, people like to say that Skylake was in development for a good 3 years before release, but that sounds like a gross underestimate to me, pyo.

 

Both Intel and AMD's mainstream CPUs are used for workstations where things like ECC memory are not a primary concern, pyo. They're not just used by herp a derp consumers, pyo.

 

No, but many people will multitask more if they know that their systems can allow it, pyo.

 

Explain your reasoning behind that, pyo.

pyo

[NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle]

I wonder if the temperatures are going to be icy.

 

[themctipers]

what the fuck is going on , intel

 

kaby lake 7th gen -> kaby lake refresh 8th gen / coffee lake (slightly better ipc/ghz) 8th gen / cannon lake (10nm) 8th gen -> ice lake, only one quarter after 8th gen is out, 9th gen

[Sage_Masters]

Intel is really going mad here the normal tech wizz cant even keep up with Intels naming standards. 

[Drak3]

12 minutes ago, CUDA_Cores said:

uhh, intel does this already...

 

Ever since around 2010 Intel has segmented their "mainstream" and "enthusiast" platforms. I am referring to how Intel has had the LGA115X sockets that only support up to 4 core CPUs while Intel also has an enthusiest platform that can even use Xeon server processors and server RAM. Clearly they are optimized for each persons needs and workflow. Yes, they are somewhat interchangeable, (I could game on X299 and edit videos on Z270) but each chipset is trying to target a different audience.

That's market fragmentation, but the architecture is still largely the same (SLX/SLSP cache restructure), pyo. But after that, it's just a difference of IMC, core count, and iGPU, pyo. Of which, the core count only affects parallelization and the heat thrown out with the clockspeed/voltage increase, pyo. The IMC supports the multitasking ability of the cores, and AVX1/2/512 performance, pyo.

 

Most consumer workloads don't see much benefit past 4c/8t (some don't see much past 4c/4t), so not having as many cores as possibles just reduces SKUs that ultimately don't need to be there, pyo. But most of them do benefit from higher clocks and IPC if possible (as well as reducing bottlenecks on the subsystems), pyo.

Whereas prosumer and server workloads can benefit from higher clocks and fewer cores, or more cores and lower clocks, hence why we have everything ranging from quadcores to 22+cores, pyo.

 

 

[themctipers]

1 minute ago, CUDA_Cores said:

They're running out of ways to make their CPUs faster, so they are running out of names as well 

kaby lake refresh is useless, and so is coffee lake if cannon lake can beat them,  

 

they're scrambling to beat ryzen. 

[Drak3]

10 minutes ago, Vode said:

pyo

Pyo. pyo.

[themctipers]

Just now, Drak3 said:

Pyo. pyo.

Pyo.