Intel To Launch Ice Lake 8 Core, 16 Thread Mainstream CPUs in Second Half of 2018

[Sage_Masters]

if ryzen actually lasts more than 2 years without cpu problems, AMD known for bad quality and durability 

[NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle]

4 minutes ago, themctipers said:

what the fuck is going on , intel

 

kaby lake 7th gen -> kaby lake refresh 8th gen / coffee lake (slightly better ipc/ghz) 8th gen / cannon lake (10nm) 8th gen -> ice lake, only one quarter after 8th gen is out, 9th gen

They sat on their asses for years and getting all that sweet money and expected that AMD will launch another Bulldozer with Ryzen.

And now since Ryzen is actually a decent alternative to what they have, they've pushed the turbo button to fight against it.

If only Intel would've been smart about this the whole time, and give us consumers 6 cores and 8 cores and beyond years ago at a normal price, they wouldn't need to do what they're doing now.

[Drak3]

Just now, Sage_Masters said:

if ryzen actually lasts more than 2 years without cpu problems, AMD known for bad quality and durability 

By who?

1 minute ago, CUDA_Cores said:

I looked up pyo on the urban dictionary and it gave me different definitions from "an annoying person on a forum" to "a kid in trouble with the police".

Urban dictionary is shit, pyo.

[themctipers]

Just now, Drak3 said:

By who?

Urban dictionary is shit, pyo.

Pyo.

[Sage_Masters]

 quality and durability AMD has been shit from many years now

[79wjd]

21 minutes ago, CUDA_Cores said:

uhh, intel does this already...

 

Ever since around 2010 Intel has segmented their "mainstream" and "enthusiast" platforms. I am referring to how Intel has had the LGA115X sockets that only support up to 4 core CPUs while Intel also has an enthusiest platform that can even use Xeon server processors and server RAM. Clearly they are optimized for each persons needs and workflow. Yes, they are somewhat interchangeable, (I could game on X299 and edit videos on Z270) but each chipset is trying to target a different audience.

Mainstream, enthusiast, and server are all on the same architecture though. The only difference is memory channels, core count, and pcie lanes.....which all seem fairly trivial to developing an entirely different architecture. 

 

You're suggesting they come up with a "15ghz 1 core cpu" for gamers and a high core count chip for professionals/any other task that can be parallelized. That requires radically different architectures and manufacturing processes. Something like that is viable if you can have a massive markup on the gaming cpu, but they won't sell any at those kinds of prices. 

[Drak3]

Just now, CUDA_Cores said:

Then wtf does this "pyo" mean?

It's a reference to the most obscure subseries of a now extremely obscure anime, pyo.

 

Just now, Sage_Masters said:

 quality and durability AMD has been shit from many years now

No, they haven't, pyo. They've been behind in IMC performance and IPC, pyo. That's it, pyo.

[FloRolf]

Inb4 Intel fanbois be like 'yeah! Thread count totally matters for gaming!' 

 

It didn't matter a month ago when ryzen launched though... 

[ashypanda]

so that's what the Z390 chipset is about.

[Taf the Ghost]

38 minutes ago, themctipers said:

kaby lake refresh is useless, and so is coffee lake if cannon lake can beat them,  

 

they're scrambling to beat ryzen. 

Cannonlake, which is a Skylake Die-shrink to 10nm, isn't coming to Mainstream because it's not faster than Kaby Lake. There'll be some 2.5W & 5W versions because it still works down there.

 

Icelake, which this thread is about, is a 10nm cpu but with an actually updated uArch. So it's the generation after Skylake, but we've yet to hear anything like "it's going to be a massive improvement!". That probably doesn't come until Sapphire Rapids in 2020/2021.

[themctipers]

Just now, Taf the Ghost said:

Cannonlake, which is a Skylake Die-shrink to 10nm, isn't coming to Mainstream because it's not faster than Kaby Lake. There'll be some 2.5W & 5W versions because it still works down there.

 

Icelake, which this thread is about, is a 10nm cpu but with an actually updated uArch. So it's the generation after Skylake, but we've yet to hear anything like "it's going to be a massive improvement!". That probably doesn't come until Sapphire Rapids in 2020/2021.

ಠ_ಠ 

[OriAr]

We are probably seeing another HW to SKL like improvement, so I expect something around 10% better in IPC.

[Taf the Ghost]

Just now, themctipers said:

ಠ_ಠ 

This is why Coffeelake exists. The 14nm+ and 14nm++ (which is rolling out with Coffeelake) are better than 10nm using the same uArch design. (So, the basic Skylake + tweaks.) It seems to be an issue with clocks & power usage at high clocks, if some of the "read between the lines" analysis is true. It might also have bad yields because they haven't been pushing it into further production because it simply wouldn't render good enough performance uplift.

 

Icelake is H2/2018 and will be on 10nm+ with the "Icelake" uArch. So "Icelake" cores from then on.

 

Of course, AMD will be out with Zen2 CPUs not too long after, so that'll be fun. (I've the arguments for 6c CCX or a 3-CCX design CPU. I think it's going to be 3 CCX, but it's hard to say.)

[spat55]

49 minutes ago, Sage_Masters said:

if ryzen actually lasts more than 2 years without cpu problems, AMD known for bad quality and durability 

Are you really trolling? That is the worst bait I have ever seen!

[Agosto]

Soooo Z370 is already outdated BEFORE release?

Intel keeps beating itself at the "make stuff obsolete" game

[Kobathor]

4 hours ago, dexT said:

I'll be getting this if in the $350 price range.

 

LOL not gonna happen

You may quote me in a year if it is that cheap. I would love to be wrong.

[OriAr]

23 minutes ago, Kobathor said:

LOL not gonna happen

You may quote me in a year if it is that cheap. I would love to be wrong.

It's the consumer platform, definitely gonna be in the $350-$400 range.

And probably towards the lower end.

 

[Mira Yurizaki]

3 hours ago, Drak3 said:

Most consumer workloads don't see much benefit past 4c/8t (some don't see much past 4c/4t), so not having as many cores as possibles just reduces SKUs that ultimately don't need to be there, pyo. But most of them do benefit from higher clocks and IPC if possible (as well as reducing bottlenecks on the subsystems), pyo.

Whereas prosumer and server workloads can benefit from higher clocks and fewer cores, or more cores and lower clocks, hence why we have everything ranging from quadcores to 22+cores, pyo.

Really most consumer workloads don't benefit past 2 cores since most of what they do is heavily I/O bound. The heaviest hitting thing they'll likely do is watch a high quality video, which most of the time the GPU handles decoding anyway.

[Drak3]

Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

Really most consumer workloads don't benefit past 2 cores since most of what they do is heavily I/O bound. The heaviest hitting thing they'll likely do is watch a high quality video, which most of the time the GPU handles decoding anyway.

Headroom for multitasking, pyo.

[ARikozuM]

What is with everyone's obsession over "refresh, refresh, refresh"? It's like they went to buy the 2017 model of a car because it's an "entirely new" vehicle vs the 2010 model... 

[Drak3]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

What is with everyone's obsession over "refresh, refresh, refresh"? It's like they went to buy the 2017 model of a car because it's an "entirely new" vehicle vs the 2010 model... 

To be fair, a car is too expensive to just buy every new model, pyo. That'll stop stupid for a good while, pyo.

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, Drak3 said:

Headroom for multitasking, pyo.

Which if you're running a bunch of I/O bound tasks, RAM capacity matters more than CPU power.

[zberry7]

4 hours ago, Vode said:

pyo

It makes him sound like a douche when you read his posts. Or is it just me? (No offense)

 

On Topic: I think intel might be weary of going to 8-core this quickly. Unless they make a separate i7 SKU, but that will cut into their X299 sales.. so I personally don't see this happening anytime in 2018

[ARikozuM]

3 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

To be fair, a car is too expensive to just buy every new model, pyo. That'll stop stupid for a good while, pyo.

Expense aside, we're acting as if everything now is a refresh of a previous architecture. Had AMD released something years ago, we wouldn't be here. 

 

Also, i5-sama is life. 

[ARikozuM]

1 minute ago, zberry7 said:

It makes him sound like a douche when you read his posts. Or is it just me?

Just you, nyah. 

 

Also, damn New Yorkers. /s