Apple wants to kill the normal SIM card (updated to fix a really dumb mistake i made...)

[AlexGoesHigh]

everyone knows what a SIM is, a tiny chip that allows you to use a GSM carrier services, now with the recent announcement of the iPad Air 2 and iPad mini 3, Apple has removed the SIM slot in favor of what the call (very origianal btw) a Apple SIM, which can be reprogrammed to work whit any carrier that want to support this technology, ATM those are T-Mobile, Sprint, AT&T in US and UK carrier EE. Verizon isn't aboard at the moment and probably wont for a long time or until they get free money at their feet

 

Apple seems to have planned this since the beginning of the iPhone because it used a tray only accessible with a folded paper clip and now the SIM removal tool, something that at the time was insane, now its the way you place the SIM inside several other phones from different manufactures, next came micro SIM, which debuted with the original iPad back in 2010, again it was insane back then, now you find it the majority of phones, more common that standard size SIM, next came nano SIM, which debuted whit the iPhone 5 two years ago, despite most manufactures opposing this at the time, it still happened, now we get to today, with this, a reprogrammable embedded to the device SIM, you can still switch carriers and apple made the software part almost as easy as switching wifi networks, the tedious part, you have to pay a visit to your carriers office to kill it, and then go to the new carrier to activate the new line, or at least that's what i assume is going to be the process to switch carriers, or at least move a line from your old device to the new one

 

EDIT: well i'll be straight and just quote the article

 

Apple SIM is still removable, and carrier-bought iPads will use regular, locked SIMs

so i was an idiot on that part, you can all hate me for that though i think they update their article after i wrote this, not sure -__-

 

 

unlike the transition between SIM size, this is going to light a battle against carrier, because it breaks pretty much everything, and the way it has worked since the past 15 years at least, its gonna be harder to pull off because its trying to kill the control the carrier has, being the line stuck on a chip or on a device, this is neither

 

Source: The Verge

 

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personally, regardless of being apple, or android or whatever, this is going to end up going two ways, the good one, making switching lines between devices as easy as switching wifi networks, which tbh sounds fantastic, and i hope this is the idea behind this, now the bad one, is that is going to make this simple task a lot harder, because the data is now held inside the device like CDMA, and I'm sure as hell carriers wants you to pay a visit to them if you want to switch to another devices, going back to they way of CDMA, which is annoying and i reject this completely because its going to be impossible to buy unlocked, carrier shit free devices, since all the data is back again inside the device, I'm seriously hoping the former is the path to follow because the later its literally going back to the past

[dlf]

why . . .

[terrytek]

Fuck. NO. FUCK NO FUCK NO FUCK NO FUCK NO FUCK NO FUCK NO.

 

i love the sim card. i don't want it gone. i want apple to fucking use it. they are cunts for not using it.

[Aniallation]

CDMA already tried... and look where that went

[cloclo8003]

That's no good

[terrytek]

CDMA already tried... and look where that went

I think it's split evenly between Sprint and Verizon and AT&T and T-Mobile. S and V use CDMA, A and T use GSM. How odd.

[Juganog]

Interesting but no thanks

[ionbasa]

Nothing new, look up multiple IMSI. 

[AlexGoesHigh]

Nothing new, look up multiple IMSI. 

this is different, this embedded to the device, its not removable, this is why i'm making the post, not because you can change lines whit it

[Aniallation]

I think it's split evenly between Sprint and Verizon and AT&T and T-Mobile. S and V use CDMA, A and T use GSM. How odd.

Verizon LTE phones have SIM cards though, and are factory unlocked. Some Verizon phones like the Droid DNA work with both GSM and CDMA, so you could just pop in a different carrier's SIM and you're good to go.

 

I still think CDMA and it's SIM-less nonsense needs to die though, and we can thank LTE for helping phase it out.

[bbqsauce]

so what if i need to swap my sim to another phone? it just means i'm stuck with that 1 phone..

[ionbasa]

this is different, this embedded to the device, its not removable, this is why i'm making the post, not because you can change lines whit it

Interesting, but in effect, they basically soldered the SIM circuitry to the PCB. 

 

I will say that on the fly programming of multiple IMSI has never been done like this before, and I do aplaude Apple for pushing on that front of the technology advancement. My post was in regards to how the technological implementation has already been achieved, albeit, not at such a integrated level on the new iPads. 

[mooseducks86]

unlike the transition between SIM size, this is going to light a battle against carrier, because it breaks pretty much everything, and the way it has worked since the past 15 years at least, its gonna be harder to pull off because its trying to kill the control the carrier has, being the line stuck on a chip or on a device, this is neither

Until I got an iphone, none of my phones had sim cards, I think you just called your provider and read off the IMEI (or some other long number behind the battery)... to activate your service to that phone. That went for my motorola startac, motorola razr, kyocera... whatever it was, and lg gab or chat... or what opened like a book into a full landscape keyboard. I much preferred this, because sims fail, and if you lose your phone, not only do you have to go to a store and get a new sim and phone, you still have to contact them to activate it. SIM cards were great when you could store your address book on them... but as far as I know, they're just used as identifiers now.

[Tonylu1595]

I thought they were going to improve it, apparently not.

[bcredeur97]

this, if it takes off, will render my backup phones useless when something happens to my main phone.

[Anthony10]

@AlexGoesHigh it is spelled "with" not "whit" I see you misspell that on all the news I read from ya

[dalekphalm]

everyone knows what a SIM is, a tiny chip that allows you to use a GSM carrier services, now WITH the recent announcement of the iPad Air 2 and iPad mini 3, Apple has removed the SIM slot in favor of what the call (very origianal btw) a Apple SIM, which can be reprogrammed to work WITH any carrier that want to support this technology, ATM those are T-Mobile, Sprint, AT&T in US and UK carrier EE. Verizon isn't aboard at the moment and probably wont for a long time or until they get free money at their feet

 

Apple seems to have planned this since the beginning of the iPhone because it used a tray only accessible WITH a folded paper clip and now the SIM removal tool, something that at the time was insane, now its the way you place the SIM inside several other phones from different manufactures, next came micro SIM, which debuted WITH the original iPad back in 2010, again it was insane back then, now you find it the majority of phones, more common that standard size SIM, next came nano SIM, which debuted WITH the iPhone 5 two years ago, despite most manufactures opposing this at the time, it still happened, now we get to today, WITH this, a reprogrammable embedded to the device SIM, you can still switch carriers and apples made the software part almost as easy as switching wifi networks, the tedious part, you have to pay a visit to your carriers office to kill it, and then go to the new carrier to activate the new line, or at least that's what i assume is going to be the process to switch carriers, or at least move a line from your old device to the new one

 

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unlike the transition between SIM size, this is going to light a battle against carrier, because it breaks pretty much everything, and the way it has worked since the past 15 years at least, its gonna be harder to pull off because its trying to kill the control the carrier has, being the line stuck on a chip or on a device, this is neither

 

Source: The Verge

 

 

personally, regardless of being apple, or android or whatever, this is going to end up going two ways, the good one, making switching lines between devices as easy as switching wifi networks, which tbh sounds fantastic, and i hope this is the idea behind this, now the bad one, is that is going to make this simple task a lot harder, because the data is now held inside the device like CDMA, and I'm sure as hell carriers wants you to pay a visit to them if you want to switch to another devices, going back to they way of CDMA, which is annoying and i reject this completely because its going to be impossible to buy unlocked, carrier shit free devices, since all the data is back again inside the device, I'm seriously hoping the former is the path to follow because the later its literally going back to the past

Fixed

 

Anyway, honestly I don't see the other manufacturers following suit on this. In theory, if it were programmed with every possible Carrier on the planet, then hey no problem. But if my particular carrier hasn't been "programmed" into iOS yet, then I won't be able to use my newly purchased iPad, despite having a compatible network?

 

Two words:

 

FUCK

 

THAT

[martinrox1568]

Fuck. NO. FUCK NO FUCK NO FUCK NO FUCK NO FUCK NO FUCK NO.

 

i love the sim card. i don't want it gone. i want apple to fucking use it. they are cunts for not using it.

ahh the apple hate train has arrived. I don't see anything wrong with this and neither should anyone who actually reads the article

[dalekphalm]

Verizon LTE phones have SIM cards though, and are factory unlocked. Some Verizon phones like the Droid DNA work with both GSM and CDMA, so you could just pop in a different carrier's SIM and you're good to go.

 

I still think CDMA and it's SIM-less nonsense needs to die though, and we can thank LTE for helping phase it out.

Just to clarify something. GSM and CMDA are 2G technologies. They are the legacy networks of most of the major providers. HSPA (3G and 3G+, UMTS) is actually the evolution of CDMA (also known as WCDMA) but it adopted the SIM card model. LTE (True 4G) also adopted the SIM card model.

 

SIM cards no longer have ANYTHING to do with GSM aside from the fact that old legacy GSM networks happen to use them.

[AlexGoesHigh]

Fixed

 

Anyway, honestly I don't see the other manufacturers following suit on this. In theory, if it were programmed with every possible Carrier on the planet, then hey no problem. But if my particular carrier hasn't been "programmed" into iOS yet, then I won't be able to use my newly purchased iPad, despite having a compatible network?

 

Two words:

 

FUCK

 

THAT

 

 

@AlexGoesHigh it is spelled "with" not "whit" I see you misspell that on all the news I read from ya

fuck it, going back to chrome spell check did see that, fixing now, sorry English isn't my main language -__________________________-

[dalekphalm]

Until I got an iphone, none of my phones had sim cards, I think you just called your provider and read off the IMEI (or some other long number behind the battery)... to activate your service to that phone. That went for my motorola startac, motorola razr, kyocera... whatever it was, and lg gab or chat... or what opened like a book into a full landscape keyboard. I much preferred this, because sims fail, and if you lose your phone, not only do you have to go to a store and get a new sim and phone, you still have to contact them to activate it. SIM cards were great when you could store your address book on them... but as far as I know, they're just used as identifiers now.

SIM cards hold all the network info. It's not quite as simple as calling your provider and giving them the IMEI. Your phone would already have to have the network info pre-programmed into it. At least, that's what I recall from way back in the 2G legacy days.

[dalekphalm]

fuck it, going back to chrome spell check did see that, fixing now, sorry English isn't my main language -__________________________-

Heh, and here I thought you were doing it on purpose

[AlexGoesHigh]

Heh, and here I thought you were doing it on purpose

if it was on purpose ill broke my english even more

[flibberdipper]

Well... This time Apple kinda screwed up, I'll admit it.

[SirNumbers]

Verizon LTE phones have SIM cards though, and are factory unlocked. Some Verizon phones like the Droid DNA work with both GSM and CDMA, so you could just pop in a different carrier's SIM and you're good to go.

 

I still think CDMA and it's SIM-less nonsense needs to die though, and we can thank LTE for helping phase it out.

Sprint LTE uses SIMS too and most work on GSM in other countries