Vega FE - Placebo Mode

[tom_w141]

So Gamers Nexus ran a suite of professional and gaming benchmarks in both "gaming" and "pro" mode.

 

 

The results indicate there is no difference between the modes regardless of task. Some people speculated that the reason for Vega FE's weak gaming performance might be down to the dual nature of the card. However here GN demonstrates the two "modes" do nothing and therefore performance can't be blamed on mode switching because mode switching does nothing apart from disable Wattman/Radeon Chill. I mean it even does a dummy screen flash to make you feel like something changed  

 

Article:

 

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2979-vega-fe-pro-mode-vs-gaming-mode-whats-amd-doing

[RadiatingLight]

4 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

I mean it even does a dummy screen flash to make you feel like something changed  

HAHAHA

well, TBF, this is a good way of letting the user know that his placebo has taken effect.

[The Benjamins]

10 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

So Gamers Nexus ran a suite of professional and gaming benchmarks in both "gaming" and "pro" mode.

 

 

The results indicate there is no difference between the modes regardless of task. Some people speculated that the reason for Vega FE's weak gaming performance might be down to the dual nature of the card. However here GN demonstrates the two "modes" do nothing and therefore performance can't be blamed on mode switching because mode switching does nothing apart from disable Wattman/Radeon Chill. I mean it even does a dummy screen flash to make you feel like something changed  

 

Article:

 

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2979-vega-fe-pro-mode-vs-gaming-mode-whats-amd-doing

honestly I think it does switch to a different driver but the gaming driver right now is just the same thing because it has not been worked on. I think when RX comes out we will see some difference.

[goodtofufriday]

Sounds like gaming mode isnt working IMO, which others have speculated.

[Senzelian]

I don't think the answer is that simple and I don't think AMD would be stupid enough trying to trick the consumers this way.
We all know how the 3.5GB GTX 970 fiasco went.

[flibberdipper]

It's a brand new card so naturally the drivers aren't going to work as they should. Common sense, people.

[PCGuy_5960]

Can we all just agree that Vega FE was 100% rushed?

[tom_w141]

14 minutes ago, tmcclelland455 said:

It's a brand new card so naturally the drivers aren't going to work as they should. Common sense, people.

When Nvidia release a new Titan X it doesn't suck

[The Sloth]

3 hours ago, tom_w141 said:

When Nvidia release a new Titan X it doesn't suck

new titan x was a rereleased 

[Senzelian]

2 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Can we all just agree that Vega FE was 100% rushed?

No. I will agree with you on that if AMD says that Vega FE was rushed.

[tom_w141]

Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

new titan x was a rerelease 

Has any Titan X sucked at launch?

[Misanthrope]

17 minutes ago, Senzelian said:

I don't think the answer is that simple and I don't think AMD would be stupid enough trying to trick the consumers this way.
We all know how the 3.5GB GTX 970 fiasco went.

While not the same company, you basically defeat your own argument when you point out the exact situation in which a mayor company was that stupid to think people could  be fooled.

[aakopa]

I think pcper talked about this on one of their live streams or articles already, they asked AMD about this and AMD confirmed that it's just interface difference between modes.

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, Senzelian said:

I will agree with you on that if AMD says that Vega FE was rushed.

So you believe everything that AMD says? lol

[The Sloth]

2 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

While not the same company, you basically defeat your own argument when you point out the exact situation in which a mayor company was that stupid to think people could  be fooled.

970 was an obvious hardware level problem with false advert while this is software, remember that software can be improved via updates, rx480/ 580 are worlds better than they were at launch. 

[PlayStation 2]

If this is down to shitty drivers and/or shitty software, which honestly I should assume all things considered, then I hope AMD fixes this. Vega FE has been kinda bad for them so far.

If it's down to hardware... wowee. 

[Senzelian]

7 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

While not the same company, you basically defeat your own argument when you point out the exact situation in which a mayor company was that stupid to think people could  be fooled.

I know what you mean, but I can't agree with you.

The GTX 970 fiasco was a bit more tricky to find out. Nvidia probably didn't expect anyone to actually look into the memory speeds of a GPU at 3.5GB and above, while we can be sure that AMD is expecting benchmarks between the two modes. That was the point I was trying to make.

 

7 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

So you believe everything that AMD says? lol

 

Nice try - you could almost work for a cheap news outlet, but no, I don't believe everything that AMD says, but why would I believe anything you say?

[Misanthrope]

8 minutes ago, Senzelian said:

I know what you mean, but I can't agree with you.

The GTX 970 fiasco was a bit more tricky to find out. Nvidia probably didn't expect anyone to actually look into the memory speeds of a GPU at 3.5GB and above, while we can be sure that AMD is expecting benchmarks between the two modes. That was the point I was trying to make.

 

 

Nice try - you could almost work for a cheap news outlet, but no, I don't believe everything that AMD says, but why would I believe anything you say?

I agree that the similarities are not that many. But let's entertain some thoughts: How much performance Hawaii cards gained through driver optimization? Far too much which would to me confirm that AMD has indeed a history of maybe not malfunctioning but premature releases.

 

If we assume that most of the issues were actually HBM2 related (not very far fetched) and seeing how key features are not present in this drivers, I wouldn't be surprised if RX Vega was a complete dud at launch and even with all the delays still takes several months to reach it's full potential.

 

While it took a long time for the 970 RAM issue to be uncovered it also usually takes a long time for AMD to finally mature drivers. This FE Vega launch seems to indicate that despite their previous claims, their driver optimization it's still quite sub-par since this card should be used for some gaming since it's not entirely professional or entirely gaming centric both use cases should be competent enough.

[Senzelian]

3 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

I agree that the similarities are not that many. But let's entertain some thoughts: How much performance Hawaii cards gained through driver optimization? Far too much which would to me confirm that AMD has indeed a history of maybe not malfunctioning but premature releases.

 

If we assume that most of the issues were actually HBM2 related (not very far fetched) and seeing how key features are not present in this drivers, I wouldn't be surprised if RX Vega was a complete dud at launch and even with all the delays still takes several months to reach it's full potential.

 

While it took a long time for the 970 RAM issue to be uncovered it also usually takes a long time for AMD to finally mature drivers. This FE Vega launch seems to indicate that despite their previous claims, their driver optimization it's still quite sub-par since this card should be used for some gaming since it's not entirely professional or entirely gaming centric both use cases should be competent enough.

Interesting thought - I like it! 

[done12many2]

Rushing this release makes no sense, yet they did.  

[dizmo]

45 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

honestly I think it does switch to a different driver but the gaming driver right now is just the same thing because it has not been worked on. I think when RX comes out we will see some difference.

This is exactly what I was going to say. I think this theory is spot on.

[flibberdipper]

28 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

When Nvidia release a new Titan X it doesn't suck

Because as of late their drivers are already at least working on lower-tier chips so there isn't as much fuckery to do in order to make them work.

[tom_w141]

1 minute ago, done12many2 said:

Rushing this release makes no sense, yet they did.  

To save face. Vega was already delayed numerous times and they had commited to a Q2 release so probably felt they had to.

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, done12many2 said:

Rushing this release makes no sense, yet they did.  

I am pretty sure that they rushed it because if they didn't their stock would plummet 

[done12many2]

2 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

To save face. Vega was already delayed numerous times and they had commited to a Q2 release so probably felt they had to.

 

2 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

I am pretty sure that they rushed it because if they didn't their stock would plummet 

 

 I get it.  So to appease the guys who don't even buy the cards instead of the ones that do.