Watch Dogs 2 will be AMD optimized - AMD's Roy Taylor on Twitter

[RagnarokDel]

6 hours ago, zMeul said:

they are open - that's how AMD treats open

Maybe Linux is just garbage for gaming.

[Dabombinable]

19 minutes ago, potoooooooo said:

Don't be so uniformed, if you don't push them back you can schedule them for whenever you want. Mine defaults to 3:30 AM because i never use my computer at that time

Is the option "check for updates but let me choose whether to download or install them included? No. It will automatically download the updates and then install them at the specified time-and pushing them back can only be done for so long before they are forced. I did try Windows 10 out on my desktop for a month after all.

[Prysin]

8 minutes ago, Humbug said:

if we consider the steam survey as roughly representative of PC gamers then about 35% of all PC gamers use windows 10. Most publishers who spend massive money on AAA game budgets will not restrict themselves to that market. They will use DX11 or Vulkan so that they can hit windows 7 and 8 users as well. The exception would be Microsoft published games since they have a strategic objective to push windows 10 and windows store adoption.

35% of about 100 million steam users = 35 million users.

 

Most games, even massive MMOS like WoW has less then 30 million users.

Hell, i think the combined sales of the whole CoD franchise, PC + consoles is around 40 millions. Thats 10+ years of AAA FPS games.

[Ashaira]

25 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Is the option "check for updates but let me choose whether to download or install them included? No. It will automatically download the updates and then install them at the specified time-and pushing them back can only be done for so long before they are forced. I did try Windows 10 out on my desktop for a month after all.

i do have the option to turn off updates on my windows 10. at one point i did have a usb port driver problem with arduino due to having a launch version of win 10 that i forgot i turned the updates off. To my knowledge the only win 10 version that you cannot turn updates off on is a pirated or 100% free version (not the free upgrade). The price of having an actual license without paying is that you get mandatory updates before veryone else to beta test them.

[Energycore]

This is fun.
Where's my popcorn?

[xAcid9]

1 hour ago, Humbug said:

if they wanna do something like that they will be better served with Vulkan.

otherwise they can only sell to windows 10 users.

I'm still waiting for Vulkan to outperform DX11 in Windows.
In theory Vulkan will have larger target audience but looking at how both AMD and Nvidia + Devs pushing DX12, i don't think we will have a mature Vulkan API/Driver in near future and it will be inferior to DX12 in quite some times.

Valve is the one that need to push Vulkan before their STEAM OS become history.

1 hour ago, Dabombinable said:

Why would we want that? And at any rate. Games in the past have been released with the options to switch between API, so if they aren't lazy we might see that.

Rather than lazy i think they got no time to actually optimize for all APIs, so instead of focusing on many things i rather want they to focus on one API, that will consume less development time and expenses.

 

Is this base on new engine btw?

[Dabombinable]

17 minutes ago, Ashaira said:

i do have the option to turn off updates on my windows 10. at one point i did have a usb port driver problem with arduino due to having a launch version of win 10 that i forgot i turned the updates off. To my knowledge the only win 10 version that you cannot turn updates off on is a pirated or 100% free version (not the free upgrade). The price of having an actual license without paying is that you get mandatory updates before veryone else to beta test them.

That's a driver, and I know that MS eventually allowed people to disable driver updates. Eventually. Anyway, as long as there is an option to not use Windows 10 and therefore DX12, then there shouldn't be any problems. And if we are lucky, Ubisoft will use the Snowdrop engine from the division as it appears to scale very well across multiple threads .

3 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

I'm still waiting for Vulkan to outperform DX11 in Windows.
In theory Vulkan will have larger target audience but looking at how both AMD and Nvidia + Devs pushing DX12, i don't think we will have a mature Vulkan API/Driver in near future and it will be inferior to DX12 in quite some times.

Valve is the one that need to push Vulkan before their STEAM OS become history.

Rather than lazy i think they got no time to actually optimize for all APIs, so instead of focusing on many things i rather want they to focus on one API, that will consume less development time and expenses.

 

Is this base on new engine btw?

Optimizing for multiple API isn't as hard as you'd think.

[SubTract]

7 hours ago, zMeul said:

quoting from Phoronix:

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So while it's exciting that the open-source Radeon Linux driver stack is maturing and becoming much more competitive with Catalyst, the whole AMD Linux driver stack with regard to OpenGL performance still needs to be improved. In several of these tests, all of the tested AMD hardware was slower than all of the NVIDIA GeForce hardware -- to the point a GTX 950 can beat out a Radeon R9 Fury using this driver stack to be found by default on Ubuntu 16.04. Hopefully AMD will become more competitive with NVIDIA in the Linux Vulkan space, but we still have to see AMD publicly release their AMDGPU-based Vulkan driver.

 

So the thing with phoronix is, Michael assumes that his readers have some sort of understanding of what he is talking about. It's amazing how things can read without context.

Open Source Radeon Drivers are not "AMD" Drivers. They're built and maintained by the community.
The Catalyst driver or FGLRX was up until recently the propritary driver for linux maintained by AMD.

So to understand we'll need to go through a few things.
The Linux Direct Rendering Manager Driver (DRM Driver)
- This is where AMDGPU Comes in. This is the part that AMD are updating with each kernel release. This is currently the "AMD" part being used in the benchmarks you're referring to.
Direct Rendering Infrastructure (DRI) This is what allows the Userspace Driver to interface with the DRM Driver.
Userspace Driver. This is the part that is either open or closed source.
- Open Source Radeon Driver (Based on MESA) This is the one used in said benchmarks.
- Catalyst (FGLRX) (Proprietary)

- AMD have since released their Full Linux Driver stack in Beta (I think the beta should say enough) But I will continue to elaborate for your sake.
This driver stack performs much more favourably than their Catalyst and the Open source drivers.
Now since you like to quote things, I will quote phoronix with a link kindly provided by yourself.

Source: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-nv-glvk&num=2

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***EDIT***
here is a graph showing the on Open source drivers for context. (Just realised I missed it xD)
Source: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Talos-Principle-RadeonSI

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Now don't get me wrong, AMD still has a long way to go.
But hating on them for trying to improve their platform as well as the experience of everybody seems a little harsh.

I would like to hear how you would handle their situation if you think they're doing such a bad job?                           

Edited March 28, 2016 by SubTract
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[VagabondWraith]

Honestly, I'm very happy AMD is stepping their foot forward and partnering with devs. I want to see them do more of it. It more than likely means my card will run great on an AMD 'optimized' game. Now if nVidia were a little more lenient on their methods we'd all win out.

[Humbug]

48 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

I'm still waiting for Vulkan to outperform DX11 in Windows.

 

ya true we don't have any valid test cases yet. But at GDC the ashes of the singularity guys did say they expect no real performance differences between DX12 and Vulkan.

[Bouzoo]

You're making a fuss where there is none to begin with. Based on history, it should run great on everything. Optimized for AMD doesn't mean optimized for consoles only. I know you really really really don't like AMD but this is crazy. One news and all hell breaks loose. How about, idk, waiting on performance reviews sometime in the future? 

[dimitriianghelov]

nvidia fanboys are mad cause devs are optimizing for everyone this is actually why we can't have nice things

[goodtofufriday]

6 hours ago, zMeul said:

what the hell are you talking about!?

 

AMD is doing render engine optimizations so it can work better on their HW - and if those "optimizations" happen to screw with nVidia owners, fuck them right?!

So AMD should do nothing at all and allow Nvidia to continue to lock them out of software that makes amd perform worse? Why's it okay for nvidia and not amd? Especially when amd will at least give nvidia a chance to develop proper implementation. Which if you think would be so difficult that it would make it run poorly on nvidia you are wrong.

If AMD can optimize their drivers to accommodate for nvidia without source code, then nvidia can definitely optimize their software WITH source code.

 

You're so hypocritical is almost hard to believe if you werent so stupid. 

 

Edit: spelling

[DarkBlade2117]

I rather it be AMD and give Nvidia a chance to optimize it for there cards rather than NVIDIA causing more of a monopoly and just being like "Nope nope nope, fuck you, we'll drop your performance by 35% because WE CAN!"

[Ostwind]

It doesn't matter that it's "optimized for AMD" Nvidia's drivers since GTA5 came out have been worse than AMD drivers used to be in the early days of the 7xxx series and they don't show any sign of getting better. I got so fed up with the shit that I went back and installed the fucking release driver for the 960 and have been using it for months.

[Mr.Meerkat]

4 hours ago, RagnarokDel said:

Maybe Linux is just garbage for gaming.

Some butthurt linux guy is gonna penalize me for not installing the correct drivers n what not but with newest Linux drivers and newest windows drivers, I get about 20 less fps in all source games (cs, tf2, gmod ect.) and around 10 in triple As (that supports linux) with a 560...so...

[patrickjp93]

6 hours ago, RagnarokDel said:

Maybe Linux is just garbage for gaming.

It's not the OS that is the issue. As an OS it is superior to Windows in every single way. As per the GUI layered on top of it, that has become horrifically fragmented, yes, but Fedora 23, and the current iterations of Ubuntu and Mint, have pretty much come up to par with Windows 7 and 8.1 in terms of utility and common-sense usable design.

[RagnarokDel]

4 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

It's not the OS that is the issue. As an OS it is superior to Windows in every single way. As per the GUI layered on top of it, that has become horrifically fragmented, yes, but Fedora 23, and the current iterations of Ubuntu and Mint, have pretty much come up to par with Windows 7 and 8.1 in terms of utility and common-sense usable design.

Ease of Access. You're delusional if you think Linux is better then Windows in every single way. It has it's place in server space and for professionals but that's it.

No matter how much you want that to not be the case. Unless it's possible to not have to use the terminal, it's not going to happen ever. I've had to use the terminal within an hour every single time. Obvioussly if all you do is boot her up and go watch some cat videos, you might be ok without the terminal.

[patrickjp93]

Just now, RagnarokDel said:

Ease of Access. You're delusional if you think Linux is better then Windows in every single way. It has it's place in server space and for professionals but that's it.

No matter how much you want that to not be the case. Unless it's possible to not have to use the terminal, it's not going to happen ever. I've had to use the terminal within an hour every single time. Obvioussly if all you do is boot her up and go watch some cat videos, you might be ok without the terminal.

You don't have to use the terminal anymore for the desktop/workstation distros unless you just want the finest-grained control, which is frankly the same way Windows works. The misconception that modern Linux requires you to use the terminal for your menial tasks is ridiculous.

 

For what? I do high performance c++ programming and library development, and the only time I go to the command line is when it's faster to just type out all the extra compiler flags once and then be able to hit the arrow key up to reuse it rather than go through 10 different menus in Netbeans to do it.

 

Give me a task you think you need CLI for and I practically guarantee you you don't. That said, letting people be illiterate and stupid has its own downsides, but let's not generate a flame war.

[Trik'Stari]

Can it at least have a good story this time? The last one was shit.

[CTR640]

Glorious times are over for nVidia and Jen Hsung Huang gets all the shit smeared over his face by Lisa Su, Raja Koduri and Roy Taylor.

 

However, fuck Ubisoft with their Watch_Doge as the first WD is truely fucked up and horrible game. "True next-gen" LOLOLOOOOOL! Ubisoft even got the tiny balls to create Watch_Dogus 2!

[Master Disaster]

17 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

You don't have to use the terminal anymore for the desktop/workstation distros unless you just want the finest-grained control, which is frankly the same way Windows works. The misconception that modern Linux requires you to use the terminal for your menial tasks is ridiculous.

 

For what? I do high performance c++ programming and library development, and the only time I go to the command line is when it's faster to just type out all the extra compiler flags once and then be able to hit the arrow key up to reuse it rather than go through 10 different menus in Netbeans to do it.

 

Give me a task you think you need CLI for and I practically guarantee you you don't. That said, letting people be illiterate and stupid has its own downsides, but let's not generate a flame war.

As of right now, and its been this way for over a year, its impossible to install Steam without using terminal on Ubuntu. You can search for it in the software center and it shows but when you click it there is no install button and if you click 'More Info' then it says something like 'Package Info Not Available'.

 

The weird thing is Valve used Debian for SteamOS and they recommend Ubuntu for gaming on Linux (if your not going to use SteamOS) and yet you can't actually do it with using a console command, granted its a very easy command but the point still remains.

[2FA]

15 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

As of right now, and its been this way for over a year, its impossible to install Steam without using terminal on Ubuntu. You can search for it in the software center and it shows but when you click it there is no install button and if you click 'More Info' then it says something like 'Package Info Not Available'.

 

The weird thing is Valve used Debian for SteamOS and they recommend Ubuntu for gaming on Linux (if your not going to use SteamOS) and yet you can't actually do it with using a console command, granted its a very easy command but the point still remains.

That's actually not true. Just like Chrome you have to go to the website to download the package which Software Center will automatically install. Nice straw man.

[patrickjp93]

19 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

As of right now, and its been this way for over a year, its impossible to install Steam without using terminal on Ubuntu. You can search for it in the software center and it shows but when you click it there is no install button and if you click 'More Info' then it says something like 'Package Info Not Available'.

 

The weird thing is Valve used Debian for SteamOS and they recommend Ubuntu for gaming on Linux (if your not going to use SteamOS) and yet you can't actually do it with using a console command, granted its a very easy command but the point still remains.

That would be Valve's fault. There are plenty of applications you can install without CLI.

 

And my point about it still not being contrived (it is an extremely simple command) stands.

 

And as I see someone else responded, there is an external installer, just like for Google Chrome.

[Nineshadow]

49 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

As of right now, and its been this way for over a year, its impossible to install Steam without using terminal on Ubuntu. You can search for it in the software center and it shows but when you click it there is no install button and if you click 'More Info' then it says something like 'Package Info Not Available'.

 

The weird thing is Valve used Debian for SteamOS and they recommend Ubuntu for gaming on Linux (if your not going to use SteamOS) and yet you can't actually do it with using a console command, granted its a very easy command but the point still remains.

I use Manjaro and it came with Steam pre-installed.

And even if it wasn't, installing it wouldn't be a hassle at all. Just use your package manager of choice, I personally use yaourt (and it's literally one command). It's probably easier than opening a web browser, going to the web page, downloading a file, opening the installer and going through the installer.