Apple deleted non iTunes music off users' devices

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source :

www.Engadget.com/2014/12/4/apple-deleted-non-itunes-music/

 

 

something interesting that is coming out of apple's current trial.

 

When users connected their device to a computer to sync an error message could pop up claiming it needed a reset. After reset non iTunes songs would be missing and there would be no notification.

 

Apple claims they didn't tell users in order to avoid confusion.

[Bsmith]

good work making this a news worthy article, it's that im at my phone at the moment otherwise i wouldn't mind going to an other site.

[minibois]

"We don't need to give users too much information... We don't want to confuse users."

Even Apple considers their users retards..lol

That's a bold statement.. 

I agree. *Grabs popcorn*

[dragosudeki]

The primary reason why I don't like apple, is because they do a lot of cool stuff (like thunderbolt), but then they don't open it up. If they're doing this too, its another reason for me to avoid them.

Edited December 4, 2014 by dragosudeki

[TheKDub]

Looks like they have borrowed a shovel or two from ubisoft

 

Looks like another pro for android (music doesn't get cleared off if not bought from store or wherever) and another con for apple (non-itunes music gets cleared)

[ShadowCaptain]

Yeah this was in like 2009

 

it used to delete music not bought from Apple, as a way to combat music piracy etc, which it doesnt do anymore

 

although it will delete your library if you try and sync it to multiple computers

[Electrostatik]

When a user who had downloaded music from a rival service tried to sync an iPod to the user’s iTunes library, Apple would display an error message and instruct the user to restore the factory settings, Coughlin said. When the user restored the settings, the music from rival services would disappear, he said.

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/12/03/apple-deleted-rivals-songs-from-users-ipods/

 

No shit, when you restore to factory settings all your non-itunes stuff disappears.  A little devious, but not surprising

[Jerakl]

Looks like they have borrowed a shovel or two from ubisoft

 

Looks like another pro for android (music doesn't get cleared off if not bought from store or wherever) and another con for apple (non-itunes music gets cleared)

I don't think ubi use shovels. I think they use these

[TheKDub]

I don't think ubi use shovels. I think they use these

 

Well considering how they have just been upgrading their digging equipment, they have to do something with the old stuff, so why not just share it with other companies?

[Jerakl]

Well considering how they have just been upgrading their digging equipment, they have to do something with the old stuff, so why not just share it with other companies?

I thought they sold it to users who had no use for it! It's usually broken anyways

[Valentyn]

The primary reason why I don't like apple, is because they do a lot of cool stuff (like thunderbolt), but then they don't open it up. If they're doing this too, its another reason for me to avoid them.

 

Thunderbolt is a joint effort between Apple and Intel, and anyone can use it. They need to licence it off of Intel, not Apple though.

 

You can already get Thunderbolt on some Z97, and X99 motherboards. Asus sell a PCIe Thunderbolt card for their support motherboards.

[TheKDub]

It applies to iPods between 2007 and 2009..

 

Aww... I was hoping that it was recent and would piss off tons of users...

[improbablepants]

The primary reason why I don't like apple, is because they do a lot of cool stuff (like thunderbolt), but then they don't open it up. If they're doing this too, its another reason for me to avoid them.

Thunderbolt is Intel, Apple just has more products to take advantage of it, but Thunderbolt is and has been intels baby from start to finish.

[dragosudeki]

Thunderbolt is a joint effort between Apple and Intel, and anyone can use it. They need to licence it off of Intel, not Apple though.

 

You can already get Thunderbolt on some Z97, and X99 motherboards. Asus sell a PCIe Thunderbolt card for their support motherboards.

 

Thunderbolt is Intel, Apple just has more products to take advantage of it, but Thunderbolt is and has been intels baby from start to finish.

 

Thanks for clarification. I thought it was mainly Apple's baby since they're all over it. Wasn't there some other interface that Apple exclusively had? Perhaps I'm wrong too.

 

Though, another tech they got is their NFC Chip which will be restricted to Apply Pay. I'm not a big fan of NFC, but I really don't like these kinds of restrictions. Same reason I don't like how phone companies give out locked phones, instead of just leaving them unlocked. (Though unlocking them isn't too hard yourself)

[Trik'Stari]

Welcome to apple, the corporate equivalent of a socialist dictatorship. You don't need that, it's too much and would only confuse you!

[Jerakl]

Welcome to apple, the corporate equivalent of a socialist dictatorship. You don't need that, it's too much and would only confuse you!

[StingBull]

Thanks for clarification. I thought it was mainly Apple's baby since they're all over it. Wasn't there some other interface that Apple exclusively had? Perhaps I'm wrong too.

FireWire.

[Bsmith]

okey i'm home now, i got this form the original source.

 

 

Apple deleted music that some iPod owners had downloaded from competing music services from 2007 to 2009 without telling users, attorneys for consumers told jurors in a class-action antitrust suit against Apple Wednesday.

“You guys decided to give them the worst possible experience and blow up” a user’s music library, attorney Patrick Coughlin said in U.S. District Court in Oakland, Calif.

When a user who had downloaded music from a rival service tried to sync an iPod to the user’s iTunes library, Apple would display an error message and instruct the user to restore the factory settings, Coughlin said. When the user restored the settings, the music from rival services would disappear, he said.

Apple directed the system “not to tell users the problem,” Coughlin said.

To plaintiffs in the case, the move showed how Apple had stifled competition for music players and downloads. They are seeking $350 million in damages in the decade-old suit, claiming Apple’s actions forced them to pay more for iPods. The damages could be tripled under antitrust laws.

Apple contends the moves were legitimate security measures. Apple security director Augustin Farrugia testified that Apple did not offer a more detailed explanation because, “We don’t need to give users too much information,” and “We don’t want to confuse users.”

Farrugia told the court that hackers with names like “DVD Jon” and “Requiem” made Apple “very paranoid” about protecting iTunes. Updates that deleted non-Apple music files were intended to protect consumers from those system break-ins. “The system was totally hacked,” he said.

Apple declined to comment outside of the court testimony.

Steve Jobs, the late Apple co-founder, also showed concern about hacking, according to evidence in the case. “Someone is breaking into our house,” Mr. Jobs said of music pirates, according to an email by Apple software chief Eddy Cue listed as an exhibit.

Cue and Phil Schiller, Apple’s head of marketing, are expected to testify this week, and portions of a videotaped 2011 deposition of Jobs are expected to be played.

 

 

double quote on this

 

from competing music services from 2007 to 2009

 

form 2007-2009, this is outdated as fk to be news, IIRC it was in the news back then.

[Syntaxvgm]

They actually deleted it off my PC once some years ago. 

Also, when I plugged in my ipod, intending to take the videos I took on it off, which were important to me, it wiped them as well, no notification. 

[zacRupnow]

I thought they sold it to users who had no use for it! It's usually broken anyways

I know some people in that gif, it was made at my old school, pretty fun day that was.

[mr moose]

okey i'm home now, i got this form the original source.

 

 

 

double quote on this

 

form 2007-2009, this is outdated as fk to be news, IIRC it was in the news back then.

 

Just because the events happened a while ago (and some of us knew about it then) does not mean it isn't news today.  Especially considering it is part of a current trial and some people had/have no idea it was happening.  Just like the Intel case which was based on events from a decade ago, many people thought it was an unfair dig at Intel until we had threads here in the news section explaining why it was legit. This is no different.

[Tocsin_786]

I don't think ubi use shovels. I think they use these

 

they dont use an excavator they are too slow. at this rate they need something faster. something likeeee .....this  tunner drills where its at. 

 

[patrickjp93]

The primary reason why I don't like apple, is because they do a lot of cool stuff (like thunderbolt), but then they don't open it up. If they're doing this too, its another reason for me to avoid them.

Apple deserves to make money on its innovations, and so does every other company. Anyone can license it.

[Mooshi]

What scrub is using itunes nearing 2015?

[Jerakl]

they dont use an excavator they are too slow. at this rate they need something faster. something likeeee .....this  tunner drills where its at. 

 

I wonder how large their fleet it...