Would you trust a computer with your life? Apple Car reportedly to have no steering wheel or pedals.

[Arika]

Summary

 It's been known for a while that Apple has been looking into creating their own car. However what i don't think most people expected (though maybe we should have) that they are planning to remove essential aspects of a car, naming the steering wheel and pedals. #courage

 

Quotes

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For the past several years, Apple’s car team had explored two simultaneous paths: creating a model with limited self-driving capabilities focused on steering and acceleration -- similar to many current cars -- or a version with full self-driving ability that doesn’t require human intervention.

Under the effort’s new leader -- Apple Watch software executive Kevin Lynch -- engineers are now concentrating on the second option. Lynch is pushing for a car with a full self-driving system in the first version, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the deliberations are private.

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Apple’s ideal car would have no steering wheel and pedals, and its interior would be designed around hands-off driving. One option discussed inside the company features an interior similar to the one in the Lifestyle Vehicle from Canoo Inc., an upstart in the EV industry. In that car, passengers sit along the sides of the vehicle and face each other like they would in a limousine. 

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Apple is internally targeting a launch of its self-driving car in four years, faster than the five- to seven-year timeline that some engineers had been planning for earlier this year. But the timing is fluid, and hitting that 2025 target is dependent on the company’s ability to complete the self-driving system -- an ambitious task on that schedule. If Apple is unable to reach its goal, it could either delay a release or initially sell a car with lesser technology.

 

My thoughts

Now, i don't know about everyone else, but I would not get in a car that i have zero control over. At least with taxi's, the driver is also protecting their own life. A fully automated car on the other hand, do i trust that the car is going to keep me safe? Sorry, not happening, i'm not putting my life in the hands of an AI that might end up deciding to kill me if there's a situation where it's either me or multiple people. Or what about if there's a problem with the auto-drive? Literally "Jesus, take the wheel".

 

I'm not against auto-drive, i'm against ONLY auto-drive. Apple, i know you love to take things away from your devices, but do NOT take away such major components of a car, especially when it will raise safety concerns. There always needs to be the option to override the automated systems and take manual control.

 

Sources

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-18/apple-accelerates-work-on-car-aims-for-fully-autonomous-vehicle?sref=I5jUJbND

 

[Dedayog]

Every car company is pushing Full Self Driving.  Not just Tesla.  GM's new ad has people literally hands OFF the wheel driving, so they're touting full self driving very soon.

 

In Atlanta, I would prefer automated vs some of the asshats driving around me.  At least SOMEONE/THING is doing the driving while you read your texts.

[williamcll]

Just remember the correct bracing position whenever you take a plane. If it can save you from crashing at 500KM/H+ it can probably save you crashing at 70KM/H

[SquintyG33Rs]

7 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Every car company is pushing Full Self Driving.  Not just Tesla.  GM's new ad has people literally hands OFF the wheel driving, so they're touting full self driving very soon.

 

In Atlanta, I would prefer automated vs some of the asshats driving around me.  At least SOMEONE/THING is doing the driving while you read your texts.

for real by the time cars drive themselves, accidents and traffic would all go down drastically. but i don't think we're there yet...

facebook thinks meta is some VR bs people will want to spend time in, but really we need a unified car metaverse way before any trash they are imagining. a car smart grid if you will. as long as cars are processing individually and locally it's going to cause issues and you can't remove the driver 100% of the time (maybe it's 99, maybe it's 99,9% either way it's not enough to remove the wheel)

[SquintyG33Rs]

3 minutes ago, williamcll said:

Just remember the correct bracing position whenever you take a plane. If it can save you from crashing at 500KM/H+ it can probably save you crashing at 70KM/H

cough cough, the plane still has a trained pilot to do the manoevres

[GoodBytes]

I think I'll be ok if the car is equipped with Secure Foam(TM) technology:
 

 

 

[dizmo]

In 20 or 30 years, threads like this will be absolutely hilarious to look back on.

Probably pretty similar to people saying they'd never give up their horse to have something powered by continuous small explosions and an extremely flammable liquid.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

45 minutes ago, Arika S said:

Summary

 It's been known for a while that Apple has been looking into creating their own car. However what i don't think most people expected (though maybe we should have) that they are planning to remove essential aspects of a car, naming the steering wheel and pedals. #courage

 

Quotes

 

My thoughts

Now, i don't know about everyone else, but I would not get in a car that i have zero control over. At least with taxi's, the driver is also protecting their own life. A fully automated car on the other hand, do i trust that the car is going to keep me safe? Sorry, not happening, i'm not putting my life in the hands of an AI that might end up deciding to kill me if there's a situation where it's either me or multiple people. Or what about if there's a problem with the auto-drive? Literally "Jesus, take the wheel".

 

I'm not against auto-drive, i'm against ONLY auto-drive. Apple, i know you love to take things away from your devices, but do NOT take away such major components of a car, especially when it will raise safety concerns. There always needs to be the option to override the automated systems and take manual control.

 

Sources

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-18/apple-accelerates-work-on-car-aims-for-fully-autonomous-vehicle?sref=I5jUJbND

 

Apple car: 100000$ for the car, computer and engines are sold seperately for 3000$ and 69420$ respectively

 

Spoiler

Fr tho, no i will not bother with self driving cars, ill prob just get a cheapo rwd 80s corolla and upgrade it instead of some overpriced computer that you cant control yourself and have no access to its code

 

And no even if i swap engine i will prob ecu delete or diy redundant ecu and keep everything analog so i can fix everything with a god damn screwdriver

 

[PineyCreek]

I don't want any car with any form of autopilot unless it only engages if it detects some severe impairment of the driver.  To be honest I don't even want self-braking unless I have complete control over the sensitivity.

 

 

[SansVarnic]

1 hour ago, Arika S said:

naming the steering wheel and pedals.

Not on my life. Wasn't really interested, but most definitely not interested now.

[LWM723]

Not a hope in hell this would ever get approval.

[EphraimK]

Smart cars are not ready. 

Just today we were driving and the brand new Apple iPhone said to stop halfway in the middle of the highway for a stop sign (at an intersection)

I'm not trusting a stupid "self-driving car" with my life. Imagine sitting in one of those things as it drives and stops in the middle of a highway saying it's at a stop sign and getting t-boned. My 81-year-old grandpa go t-boned and he got badly injured. Thank God he's healed now.

[Blademaster91]

Nope and I don't see how traffic safety regulators would even approve of a vehicle that doesn't have pedals or a steering wheel in case the full self driving makes an error.

[D13H4RD]

This isn't new. Google (now Waymo) has been experimenting with cars that do not require any intervention from the driver via the steering wheel and pedals for a couple of years, with the notion being that in the future, full self-driving cars may not require them at all.

 

My opinions on this can reach 2 full pages, so I'm not going to say it. But I'm just going to point out that this isn't a new idea, just that Apple tends to get all the headlines when they do it.

[SquintyG33Rs]

3 minutes ago, D13H4RD said:

This isn't new. Google (now Waymo) has been experimenting with cars that do not require any intervention from the driver via the steering wheel and pedals for a couple of years, with the notion being that in the future, full self-driving cars may not require them at all.

 

My opinions on this can reach 2 full pages, so I'm not going to say it. But I'm just going to point out that this isn't a new idea, just that Apple tends to get all the headlines when they do it.

it'll be shit until it has insect hive mind tech

[Lightwreather]

1 hour ago, Arika S said:

hat they are planning to remove essential aspects of a car, naming the steering wheel and pedals

Inb4 apple starts selling them as upgrades

[Kadzo]

1 hour ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Apple car: 100000$ for the car, computer and engines are sold seperately for 3000$ and 69420$ respectively

 

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Fr tho, no i will not bother with self driving cars, ill prob just get a cheapo rwd 80s corolla and upgrade it instead of some overpriced computer that you cant control yourself and have no access to its code

 

And no even if i swap engine i will prob ecu delete or diy redundant ecu and keep everything analog so i can fix everything with a god damn screwdriver

 

Hold hold on how much are the wheels? 

[VirusDumb]

2 hours ago, Arika S said:

It's been known for a while that Apple has been looking into creating their own car.

I thought it was just a meme

[VirusDumb]

2 hours ago, Arika S said:

they are planning to remove essential aspects of a car, naming the steering wheel and pedals.

It's clearly dumb, and I hardly believe that anyone who has a sound mind would make that, let alone use it. I think it to be really weird that someone actually thought it's a good idea

[VirusDumb]

1 hour ago, D13H4RD said:

This isn't new. Google (now Waymo) has been experimenting with cars that do not require any intervention from the driver via the steering wheel and pedals for a couple of years, with the notion being that in the future, full self-driving cars may not require them at all

Yes, but they didn't cut out the steering wheel entirely, did they? Because AI a d AI can have flaws, even if the car is self driving there should be a steering wheel which over rides the self-driving system just in case something goes wrong on the road

[wanderingfool2]

1 hour ago, EDK Tech said:

Imagine sitting in one of those things as it drives and stops in the middle of a highway saying it's at a stop sign and getting t-boned

Well all of the current driving systems that I have seen utilize GPS for route planning, but use other sensors to actually do the driving.  (And in cases like Waymo they effectively have the areas they drive 3d mapped).  If they encounter something that isn't correct they will pull over and get a human driver in the case of Waymo...in the case of Tesla they use their vision system to continue driving.  A good example I saw of this was the new FSD beta that took a round about that was marked as a standard intersection (it adapted and still took the correct exit). [It apparently was a new round-about]

 

1 hour ago, Blademaster91 said:

Nope and I don't see how traffic safety regulators would even approve of a vehicle that doesn't have pedals or a steering wheel in case the full self driving makes an error.

It's no where near the point where a steering wheel and brake pedal aren't necessary, but eventually I could see it being eliminated...as the driving system gets better than human and you start getting humans taking over creating more danger...at that stage I think you will find that things such as a steering wheel might be removed.  I will always think a brake pedal (or emergency stop button) will be added

 

2 minutes ago, SeAsOn3 said:

Yes, but they didn't cut out the steering wheel entirely, did they? Because AI a d AI can have flaws, even if the car is self driving there should be a steering wheel which over rides the self-driving system just in case something goes wrong on the road

At a certain point, it's just easier adding in a controller for that situation.  A controller will be "easier" for a lot to people while driving

[EphraimK]

@wanderingfool2

Yes, but if you don't have a steering wheel or pedals like the Apple Car...

 

[SimplyChunk]

3 hours ago, williamcll said:

Just remember the correct bracing position whenever you take a plane. If it can save you from crashing at 500KM/H+ it can probably save you crashing at 70KM/H

Calm down..Relax..Tuck your head between your legs.....and kiss your a** goodbye..

[SimplyChunk]

37 minutes ago, EDK Tech said:

Wonder how much that cost him...

[Somerandomtechyboi]

1 hour ago, Kadzo said:

Hold hold on how much are the wheels? 

Those would be 96969$