The ultimate showdown - 3DMark releases new cross-platform benchmark

[WereCatf]

5 minutes ago, porina said:

I don't think it is the API at all, but the hardware. Vulcan is supposed to be a lightweight/low level API anyway. Apple's chip designs are just nice. I only wish they weren't only on Apple products so I didn't have to buy an iPad for mobile gaming.

Yeah, I'm pretty certain Apple's ARM GPU especially is better than the one used by e.g. Qualcomm in my phone. What few stories I've read, Apple has put a lot of money and effort into getting their mobile GPUs competitive.

[Video Beagle]

Clever...get it established as THE arm vs 86 benchmark now so they're set for when the ARM Macs start coming. (I assume they make money somehow from it's use?)

[ne0tic]

16 minutes ago, porina said:

I don't think it is the API at all, but the hardware. Vulcan is supposed to be a lightweight/low level API anyway. Apple's chip designs are just nice. I only wish they weren't only on Apple products so I didn't have to buy an iPad for mobile gaming.

I think part of it is the API. While the A13 is much more powerful than the SD865, it's not 80% more powerful. It should be about 30% more powerful from what I know. 

[ne0tic]

10 minutes ago, Video Beagle said:

Clever...get it established as THE arm vs 86 benchmark now so they're set for when the ARM Macs start coming. (I assume they make money somehow from it's use?)

3DMark cost money on PC so they make money from people buying it there. 

[WereCatf]

7 minutes ago, ne0tic said:

While the A13 is much more powerful than the SD865, it's not 80% more powerful. It should be about 30% more powerful from what I know. 

Are you talking about the GPU or the CPU? They're not the same thing, they do not scale the same.

[ne0tic]

2 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

Are you talking about the GPU or the CPU? They're not the same thing, they do not scale the same.

GPU. But I guess since the CPU is better as well the difference in FPS could be much more than the 30% more powerful the GPU should be. 

[AlexGoesHigh]

This is more to compare GPU across-the-board that compare x86 and ARM.

 

Still neat though

[porina]

Has anyone managed to run this on a laptop with both Intel and nvidia GPUs? I wanted to try but it complains that I don't have Vulkan or enough VRAM. My laptop is a low end gaming one, only a 1050 2GB.

 

I'm wondering if this might be related to the changes in how Windows handles multi-GPU laptops like this, and if 3DMark is being stupid and only seeing the iGPU. There is a selection area for which GPU to use but it is blank. I tried manually adding the 3DMark 64-bit executable, the launcher, and also systeminfo to the Windows list and set them to "high performance" but that didn't help. Latest Windows Updates, nvidia and intel drivers as of today.

[Mark Kaine]

2 hours ago, ne0tic said:

3DMark cost money on PC so they make money from people buying it there. 

Only for the 'extreme' tests 

[Commodus]

3 hours ago, ne0tic said:

I think part of it is the API. While the A13 is much more powerful than the SD865, it's not 80% more powerful. It should be about 30% more powerful from what I know. 

That's the tricky bit -- whether the developers like it or not, this is partly a test of Vulcan versus Metal. Mind you, that doesn't exactly help the cause of Android gaming.

[Doobeedoo]

That's neat though. 

[ne0tic]

1 hour ago, Commodus said:

That's the tricky bit -- whether the developers like it or not, this is partly a test of Vulcan versus Metal. Mind you, that doesn't exactly help the cause of Android gaming.

Yeah. Doesn't really matter which phone got the stronger GPU and such, just which runs the game better which pretty much always is the iPhone. 

[Lord Vile]

Bit weird considering the CPU power is more raved about when it comes to mobile chips. Just using a GPU one is a tad strange. But I mean 10% the performance of a 1080Ti isn't bad considering it has like 5% of the power if that. Would really like to see how the A14 holds up to a vega 11 and the new Xe ones from intel, see where it stands against some iGPUs which is realistically what they're competing with atm.

[Lord Vile]

4 hours ago, ne0tic said:

I think part of it is the API. While the A13 is much more powerful than the SD865, it's not 80% more powerful. It should be about 30% more powerful from what I know. 

Well look at GPUs, AMD has cards that were spitting out 1.5x the compute of Nvidias models and barely matching them

[AlTech]

Jebaited. 
 

When the title said cross-platform I thought it meant macOS and Linux. Not ARM.

[ne0tic]

8 minutes ago, Lord Vile said:

Well look at GPUs, AMD has cards that were spitting out 1.5x the compute of Nvidias models and barely matching them

True. The A13 GPU could be 30% better in theoretical compute performance but in gaming actually be 80% better as in this case. Still think a big part of the difference is the API, Metal vs Vulcan. 

[Tan3l6]

Can't see anything but flashes of film strips.

But it did run correctly I guess.

10600K and RX 5700 = 60838 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/51746894?

[Bombastinator]

4 minutes ago, Tan3l6 said:

Can't see anything but flashes of film strips.

But it did run correctly I guess.

10600K and RX 5700:

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/51746894?

On the order of 9 to ten times as fast as an iphone11 it looks like to me.  Does imply the Apple arm laptops may have a ways to go.  Comparing an ultrabook to a high end desktop though.  We’ll see.

[IntMD]

lol

[AlTech]

10 minutes ago, ne0tic said:

True. The A13 GPU could be 30% better in theoretical compute performance but in gaming actually be 80% better as in this case. Still think a big part of the difference is the API, Metal vs Vulcan. 

Oh yeah. The hardware itself (not talking graphics IPC but overall performance) isn’t going to be better unless Apple scales if.

 

As far as I’m aware each Apple GPU core has 32 ALUs/SPs. If it has 64 instead then that’d be interesting but you’d still need more Apple GPU cores to scale it.

 

AMD’s RDNA2 will still be more powerful in gaming even if Apple is more efficient and AMD’s CDNA1 will still be more powerful in compute even if Apple is more efficient.

 

I honestly don’t believe Apple could replace AMD’s or Nvidia’s performance in an 80-100w or above GPU without destroying efficiency and using twice the energy to get the same performance.

[TetraSky]

Welp, RIP my phone on Android 9. lol
Could update it to 10 with Lineage, but I lost too many features that I used (like call record)

[Lord Vile]

33 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

On the order of 9 to ten times as fast as an iphone11 it looks like to me.  Does imply the Apple arm laptops may have a ways to go.  Comparing an ultrabook to a high end desktop though.  We’ll see.

the card does also suck down like 30x the power though. With the A13 using 6W for the whole chip vs the 5700's 185W alone.

[Kisai]

 

1 hour ago, AluminiumTech said:

I honestly don’t believe Apple could replace AMD’s or Nvidia’s performance in an 80-100w or above GPU without destroying efficiency and using twice the energy to get the same performance.

Power efficiency, low price, performance. Pick two.

[TVwazhere]

Interesting 

Spoiler

 

[Mynameischef]

How come there are no Note 20 Ultra's on the compare tab?
Anyway, here's mine.