Nvidia Ampere teased

[Inkz]

NVIDIA teases Ampere announcement at the upcoming GTC

Sauce:

https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-ampere-gtc-keynote/

https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-gtc-2020-keynote-with-ceo-jensen-huang-set-for-may-14

 

 

"Get Amped for Latest Platform Breakthroughs in AI, Deep Learning, Autonomous Vehicles, Robotics and Professional Graphics"

 

"SANTA CLARA, Calif., April 24, 2020 -- NVIDIA will release its GTC 2020 keynote address, featuring founder and CEO Jensen Huang, on YouTube on May 14, at 6 a.m. Pacific time."

 

With teasing like this it seems apparent that Ampere will be shown off. We may not get our gaming RTX/GTX cards announced, but I am still hoping. It has been about 2 years since the 2000 series has debuted making an announcement fairly on schedule. I do miss the days where we got new stuff every year, prices and performance moved so much faster back in the day. 

[RejZoR]

Damn, 2 years already for RTX cards? I'm forgetting how old my GTX 1080Ti is becoming...

[Curufinwe_wins]

2 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Damn, 2 years already for RTX cards? I'm forgetting how old my GTX 1080Ti is becoming...

Think about me and my dual 980tis.... Though they seriously need upgrading. 

[RejZoR]

Aren't dual 980Ti somewhere in the zone of single GTX 1080Ti? That ain't bad at all assuming you get SLi scaling in all games, let alone very good one. But still.

[ARikozuM]

Teasing me with ampere? Or Ampere? 

[Curufinwe_wins]

57 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Aren't dual 980Ti somewhere in the zone of single GTX 1080Ti? That ain't bad at all assuming you get SLi scaling in all games, let alone very good one. But still.

Yep, exactly the same range assuming good SLI scaling. The problem is that games newer than 2018 or so basically never have SLI support (AAA before that point is basically every game where it actually would help), which sucks. Also one of my GPUs has an instability issue (I think one of the memory chips might have overheated and died), so I have to run it disabled and out of SLI. I have a hardline watercooling loop, so I can't easily remove one of the GPU's. You have no idea how hard it was to diagnose that issue....

 

Also mainly because Nvidia hasn't needed to, the 980ti lacks HDR support, which is slightly sad. [For reference the Maxwell-based Shield does support HDR, as do Maxwell Quaddros]

[MageTank]

It's sad that I don't even need more performance, I just want HDMI 2.1. It's the only feature lacking on my 2080 Ti that I genuinely despise. Hopefully next gen is 100% confirmed to have it.

[Inkz]

5 hours ago, RejZoR said:

Damn, 2 years already for RTX cards? I'm forgetting how old my GTX 1080Ti is becoming...

 

My 1070 has been holding on well. But to be fair that''s because they have been so slow to update. Like if they went back to yearly a 1080 would be like 3-4 generations behind instead of 1. 

[Lakobrija]

I just hope they won't break prices.

[dizmo]

1 minute ago, Lakobrija said:

I just hope they won't break prices.

Eh, really the top tier prices are pretty reasonable in terms of other hobbies. It's only going to go up as more people get into gaming.

[rockking1379]

6 hours ago, RejZoR said:

Damn, 2 years already for RTX cards? I'm forgetting how old my GTX 1080Ti is becoming...

I have a 980 Ti at home. And a 970 in my rig in the work truck. I’m due for upgrades myself too. End of the year or early next year hopefully. I’m just now getting my FX8350 upgraded at home...

[Soppro]

This is going to be juicy, I wonder what 'professional graphics' will entail ...   

[SADS]

I actually went from SLI 980ti's to a 1080ti, it was the smart move to make as i felt that games are quite a bit smoother and my machine runs a bit cooler/quieter too.

 

certainly not going to pay the ridiculous prices of what the 20 series was asking, especially not for that sort of performance jump.

[RejZoR]

14 hours ago, rockking1379 said:

I have a 980 Ti at home. And a 970 in my rig in the work truck. I’m due for upgrades myself too. End of the year or early next year hopefully. I’m just now getting my FX8350 upgraded at home...

I'm not so sure I am. If I will, it'll be entirely out of curiosity to be honest. Anything I throw at GTX 1080Ti is butter smooth. Sure I only play at 1080p, but it's fine and I can push high framerates coz it's a 144Hz monitor. Other than ray tracing which has crappy support in games (still), I really don't see any other reason. And playing with screen space ray tracing which runs fine even on this card, I have even less incentive for it.

 

If NVIDIA could make generic use of ray tracing via screen space for almost any game, I'd be super interested. And same if they managed to pull DLSS 2.0 in same way as DSR works, in almost any game, then I'd probably actually switch. There's too much stuff that needs specific coding and it's pretty much pointless. Image Shaprening and Ultra Low Latency were nice generic additions. Would be nice if they added SMAA too next to FXAA they already offer. Stuff like that interests me more because it will work this moment in any game.

[Dash Lambda]

15 hours ago, dizmo said:

Eh, really the top tier prices are pretty reasonable in terms of other hobbies. It's only going to go up as more people get into gaming.

A 2080ti is about twice as fast as a 980ti, and literally twice as expensive. There has been absolutely no net improvement in price to performance in the past 5 years on the high end. The 2080ti is more expensive than the preceding Titan that itself had a controversial price jump. That's truly absurd.

 

They try to justify it by saying it's not just an increase in raw horsepower, but that doesn't mean much when you don't have the option to not get the extra features.

 

I really, really hope the next generation resumes reasonable pricing.

[GrockleTD]

i personally don't care if its the same performance for lower price or more performance for the same price, either way there should be a card available to meet my needs (2080 super level of performance)

[Dash Lambda]

21 minutes ago, GrockleTD said:

i personally don't care if its the same performance for lower price or more performance for the same price, either way there should be a card available to meet my needs (2080 super level of performance)

Then... Why not get a 2080 Super?

[Curufinwe_wins]

49 minutes ago, Dash Lambda said:

A 2080ti is about twice as fast as a 980ti, and literally twice as expensive. There has been absolutely no net improvement in price to performance in the past 5 years on the high end. The 2080ti is more expensive than the preceding Titan that itself had a controversial price jump. That's truly absurd.

 

They try to justify it by saying it's not just an increase in raw horsepower, but that doesn't mean much when you don't have the option to not get the extra features.

 

I really, really hope the next generation resumes reasonable pricing.

That isn't really fair or true. The 20 series is not a big improvement. But the 10 series was.

 

The 980ti was a 650 dollar card. Absolutely. It was replaced in price parity single card by the 1070 (or 1070ti after both are overclocked), and lets just call those combined 400 dollar cards. Pretty nice benefit at late 2017 (which is when the 1070 ti launched).

 

The 980ti was also the FIRST EVER high-end GPU with actually reasonable (within generation) price to performance, being twice as fast as a 970 and twice the cost. It was an utterly phenomenal card that made AMDs most exciting product in a decade (at that time) completely dead on arrival.

 

The 2060 is a pref equivalent card to the 1070. Which is now officially (as of Jan 2020) a 299 MSRP card. So in 5 years we have gone from a 650 dollar card, to a 300 dollar card. Plus HDR (though Maxwell could do it if NVidia didn't lock it out) and RTX (albeit a pretty weak one on the 2060).

 

Even comparing the performance of 980ti SLI. That is performance equivalent on a good day to the 1080ti, a 700 dollar card in March 2017. Flipping amazeballs for double the performance at nearly the same price in only 2 years. The 2080 was the same performance as the 1080ti, which yes only at the same price plus some added bonuses ofc.

 

But now the 2080 Super is that same 700 dollar card and is a decent chunk better than the 2080.

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The 980ti was the first time (and together with the 1080ti ONLY time) that a company's flagship gaming cards were price to performance competitive in generation. Look before it and after it, and things are basically the same as now. Remember AMD tried to tray price a 9590 as a 1000 dollar CPU...

 

Either way though, we have come a LONG way in 5 years (which is just before the 980ti launched even). We haven't come very far in the last 3.

[GrockleTD]

35 minutes ago, Dash Lambda said:

Then... Why not get a 2080 Super?

money.

[dizmo]

1 hour ago, Dash Lambda said:

A 2080ti is about twice as fast as a 980ti, and literally twice as expensive. There has been absolutely no net improvement in price to performance in the past 5 years on the high end. The 2080ti is more expensive than the preceding Titan that itself had a controversial price jump. That's truly absurd.

 

They try to justify it by saying it's not just an increase in raw horsepower, but that doesn't mean much when you don't have the option to not get the extra features.

 

I really, really hope the next generation resumes reasonable pricing.

You'd have to be a fool to think that the pricing of flagship products won't go up as more and more people get into PC gaming. What I said has absolutely nothing to do with price to performance, that has no relation to my statement.

[Curufinwe_wins]

4 minutes ago, dizmo said:

You'd have to be a fool to think that the pricing of flagship products won't go up as more and more people get into PC gaming. What I said has absolutely nothing to do with price to performance, that has no relation to my statement.

Plus as I pointed out in my own statement, he is blatantly wrong in the assessment regardless.

 

The 2080ti is MUCH faster than dual 980tis, and 980ti SLI is now a 2080 for under 700 dollars total. Single GPU the gains are even more dramatic (a 2060 which MSRPs at 300 dollars)

 

 

In case he or anyone else forgets... my main PC is 980ti SLI...

[leadeater]

Just some extra perspective on the whole pricing thing.

 

 

https://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/103399-inflation-adjusted-price-history-high-end-nvidia-gpus-tabulated/

 

It's a bit disappointing in that I can't find an updated one that includes RTX but the RTX 2080 Ti is a price jump, similar to the 8800 GTX. 1080 Ti inflation adjusted to today is $737.

[Dash Lambda]

56 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

That isn't really fair or true. The 20 series is not a big improvement. But the 10 series was.

Net improvement. The 10 series was indeed great, but net improvement is then vs now, not in-between.

 

56 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

The 980ti was a 650 dollar card. Absolutely. It was replaced in price parity single card by the 1070 (or 1070ti after both are overclocked), and lets just call those combined 400 dollar cards. Pretty nice benefit at late 2017 (which is when the 1070 ti launched).

 

The 980ti was also the FIRST EVER high-end GPU with actually reasonable (within generation) price to performance, being twice as fast as a 970 and twice the cost. It was an utterly phenomenal card that made AMDs most exciting product in a decade (at that time) completely dead on arrival.

 

The 2060 is a pref equivalent card to the 1070. Which is now officially (as of Jan 2020) a 299 MSRP card. So in 5 years we have gone from a 650 dollar card, to a 300 dollar card. Plus HDR (though Maxwell could do it if NVidia didn't lock it out) and RTX (albeit a pretty weak one on the 2060).

I'm aware that in other product tiers it was improved. I'm not talking about those.

 

56 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Even comparing the performance of 980ti SLI. That is performance equivalent on a good day to the 1080ti, a 700 dollar card in March 2017. Flipping amazeballs for double the performance at nearly the same price in only 2 years.

16 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

The 2080ti is MUCH faster than dual 980tis, and 980ti SLI is now a 2080 for under 700 dollars total. Single GPU the gains are even more dramatic (a 2060 which MSRPs at 300 dollars)

In case he or anyone else forgets... my main PC is 980ti SLI...

Equivalent to 980ti SLI is not double the performance, getting 100% higher numbers is double the performance.

 

56 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

The 980ti was the first time (and together with the 1080ti ONLY time) that a company's flagship gaming cards were price to performance competitive in generation.

The 780ti was actually a Titan with less VRAM and no native double-precision compute. So that's 3 generations of $650-700 cards within sensual whispering distance of their respective Titans over 7 years, then they say to hell with it and double the price. The model structure wasn't really comparable nor consistent before that.
 

I'm not denying that there have been improvements in some brackets, but that's not what I'm looking at.

I prefer to buy the top of the stack regular GPU, so I buy a 980ti. I stop following the GPU market so closely until I run into a game where my 980ti just isn't enough (Half-Life: Alyx), but now this generation's equivalent of the 980ti is more expensive than the Titan was last time I bought a GPU. So, basically, I'm now given the option to spend twice as much for double the performance or drop down a tier or two.

 

20 minutes ago, dizmo said:

You'd have to be a fool to think that the pricing of flagship products won't go up as more and more people get into PC gaming. What I said has absolutely nothing to do with price to performance, that has no relation to my statement.

I don't expect pricing of the top non-halo card to literally double from one generation to the next.

[KaitouX]

44 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

So in 5 years we have gone from a 650 dollar card, to a 300 dollar card.

This sounds kinda wrong because it wasn't $650 direct to $300, it was $650> 1 year later $380> 2 and half years later $350> 1 year later $300. So after reaching $380 it took 2 and half years to get a $30 dollar discount.

[Curufinwe_wins]

2 minutes ago, KaitouX said:

This sounds kinda wrong because it wasn't $650 direct to $300, it was $650> 1 year later $380> 2 and half years later $350> 1 year later $300. So after reaching $380 it took 2 and half years to get a $30 dollar discount.

well yes. I said the last 3 years have been slow. The last 5 years have been fairly good.

 

But he specifically said last 5 not last 3 or last generation. And so that's the basis for comparison for my statement.