Nvidia Ampere teased

[CTR640]

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He didn't mention anything about the gaming department.

[dizmo]

1 hour ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Plus as I pointed out in my own statement, he is blatantly wrong in the assessment regardless.

 

The 2080ti is MUCH faster than dual 980tis, and 980ti SLI is now a 2080 for under 700 dollars total. Single GPU the gains are even more dramatic (a 2060 which MSRPs at 300 dollars)

 

In case he or anyone else forgets... my main PC is 980ti SLI...

Yeah, honestly I don't see why people only take price to performance into consideration when they're looking at pricing etc. Nvidia has a lot more markets they're getting into, R&D costs are higher, etc etc. That money has to come from somewhere, and when you're selling a product, that's how you make that money.

57 minutes ago, Dash Lambda said:

I don't expect pricing of the top non-halo card to literally double from one generation to the next.

Hmmm I'm not the best at math but last time I checked $999 isn't anywhere near 100% of $699...

[SADS]

2 hours ago, Dash Lambda said:

A 2080ti is about twice as fast as a 980ti, and literally twice as expensive. There has been absolutely no net improvement in price to performance in the past 5 years on the high end. The 2080ti is more expensive than the preceding Titan that itself had a controversial price jump. That's truly absurd.

 

They try to justify it by saying it's not just an increase in raw horsepower, but that doesn't mean much when you don't have the option to not get the extra features.

 

I really, really hope the next generation resumes reasonable pricing.

totally agree.

I'd have considered buying a 2080ti.. If the price wasn't so f-king outrageous.

Like, I can afford it.... but I can't justify it. I actually think that anyone that bought one was a bit daft.

[Guest]

Up until Turing it was normal for current gen xx70 cards in the 300-400USD price range to match the last gen xx80ti cards in performance (i.e. 970 matching the 780ti, 1070 matching the 980ti, etc). As long as Ampere can uphold that pattern, unlike Turing, I'd be satisfied. 

[Dash Lambda]

26 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Hmmm I'm not the best at math but last time I checked $999 isn't anywhere near 100% of $699...

Nvidia's price is $1199, most are around $1300, hybrids and higher-end boards are $1400-1500. Where are you seeing $999?

[dizmo]

Just now, Dash Lambda said:

Nvidia's price is $1199, most are around $1300, hybrids and higher-end boards are $1400-1500. Where are you seeing $999?

Launch price. Using pricing now isn't smart since prices are inflated due to the outbreak.

There were expensive 1080s too, so saying there's expensive ones is a rather moot point.

 

You can also get 2080Ti's for $1099. So.

[Dash Lambda]

Just now, dizmo said:

Launch price. Using pricing now isn't smart since prices are inflated due to the outbreak.

There were expensive 1080s too, so saying there's expensive ones is a rather moot point.

 

You can also get 2080Ti's for $1099. So.

A friend of mine asked my advice on what board to get a few months ago, before anyone I know even heard of COVID-19. Prices were about the same.

 

I just checked Wikipedia and I do see the $999 launch price, but this is the first time I've ever seen that number. I said I stopped paying close attention to the market for a while, but I can't imagine I was paying that little attention... Is it one of those MSRPs that's purely theoretical because nobody follows it? I'm genuinely confused.

 

Of course, there will always be cheaper and more expensive boards. My hybrid 980ti was $710 vs ~$600-680 normal cards, I remember the 1080ti being $700 with good boards going for around $750, hybrids at $800, and the Kingpin was $1000 (not counting the FE nonsense). Then I quite distinctly remember balking at a $1200 price tag for the 2080ti. Then again, it did launch a difficult relationship, a huge internship, and a first year of college ago, so maybe I'm just remembering wrong?

[jasonvp]

4 hours ago, SADS said:

totally agree.

I'd have considered buying a 2080ti.. If the price wasn't so f-king outrageous.

Like, I can afford it.... but I can't justify it. I actually think that anyone that bought one was a bit daft.

Cool.  Then I'm doubly-so.  Here's the thing: I actually enjoy playing 4K/140FPS with deets set mostly in the "high" to "ultra" range.  You're not going to do that with anything less when it comes to DX11 titles.  So... here's to being daft.  I'll be getting two of the next xx80Ti cards whenever Uncle Jensen announces them.

[Unixsystem]

23 hours ago, CTR640 said:

He didn't mention anything about the gaming department.

Someone correct me if I have my time lines wrong, but if I recall the Turing Quadros were announced only a month or so before the consumer card had their big event. 

 

So this particular announcement may not mean a ton for the end consumer, but it'll give us an idea of what sort of performance increase we may see on average, plus its a sign that the rest of the product stack should be just around the corner. 

[Inkz]

2 hours ago, Unixsystem said:

Someone correct me if I have my time lines wrong, but if I recall the Turing Quadros were announced only a month or so before the consumer card had their big event. 

 

So this particular announcement may not mean a ton for the end consumer, but it'll give us an idea of what sort of performance increase we may see on average, plus its a sign that the rest of the product stack should be just around the corner. 

Yeah they normally come shortly after. But not to mention it's been almost 2 years since the last architecture, so we are almost due for an update. The only thing that makes me worry is that super gpus just came out for mobile. 

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

It took them so long that i'm no longer interested in buying a new card anymore, 1070 for life... . 

[Valentyn]

On 4/24/2020 at 7:19 PM, RejZoR said:

Damn, 2 years already for RTX cards? I'm forgetting how old my GTX 1080Ti is becoming...

Poor Volta! AMD was right!

Barely got use out of it. Whelp time to lube up so Jensen can deliver me a new Titan, and new and improved price.
God I miss paying under £500 for the flagship.

[Touch My Hamm]

I wanted to build/update my machine with ampere and either the new intel or AMD but Covid most likely postponed due to it. Please release the new cards and processors so I can upgrade my machine lol.

[Brooksie359]

On 4/25/2020 at 2:18 PM, SADS said:

totally agree.

I'd have considered buying a 2080ti.. If the price wasn't so f-king outrageous.

Like, I can afford it.... but I can't justify it. I actually think that anyone that bought one was a bit daft.

The card can play games at 4k like no other card on the market and I and many other will pay the extra price to get that capability. Sure it might not be the best price to performance but then again if you are buying for price to performance then you probably shouldnt be shooting for the halo teir product. 

[Orangeator]

On 4/26/2020 at 4:46 PM, Inkz said:

Yeah they normally come shortly after. But not to mention it's been almost 2 years since the last architecture, so we are almost due for an update. The only thing that makes me worry is that super gpus just came out for mobile. 

Agreed in part, but NVIDIA took their sweet time getting their mobile chips out with the 2000 series as well. Very likely it will be several months before 3000 series mobile parts are released.

[leadeater]

6 hours ago, Valentyn said:

Barely got use out of it. Whelp time to lube up so Jensen can deliver me a new Titan, and new and improved price.
God I miss paying under £500 for the flagship.

Not sure anything of Volta was flagship, more like spaceship or platinum coated.

[GreyestGoat]

So $2000 for the Ti model this time?

[DominicNikon]

On 4/24/2020 at 2:19 PM, RejZoR said:

Damn, 2 years already for RTX cards? I'm forgetting how old my GTX 1080Ti is becoming...

i got 2 way sli GTX 980 thats even older but i cant wait for ampire because its my next graphics card 

[leadeater]

3 minutes ago, GreyestGoat said:

So $2000 for the Ti model this time?

You think we'll get a top tier Ti this time? They'll just release the xx80 with the listed number of SMs possible and how many were cut then spend the next 2 years teasing the Ti but never releasing it. The after 2 years release the Titan for $5000 by way of an evil person stroking a cat meme on twitter.

[SADS]

16 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

The card can play games at 4k like no other card on the market and I and many other will pay the extra price to get that capability. Sure it might not be the best price to performance but then again if you are buying for price to performance then you probably shouldnt be shooting for the halo teir product. 

Would you pay £100 for a chomp?

It's not about price to performance, it's about the a product being overpriced full stop.

Comparatively to the previous generations, the 2080ti is double the price. Sure, business is business but NV's attitude to pricing is pushing customers away.

[jasonvp]

16 minutes ago, SADS said:

It's not about price to performance, it's about the a product being overpriced full stop.

It's clearly not "overpriced" because lots of folks bought them.  By definition, that means it's priced fine.  It may be overpriced for you, specifically, but not for the market as a whole.

 

And if you want to lay blame on anyone, start yelling at AMD.  They simply fail to bring GPUs to the market that can compete with NVidia in the high end gaming realm.  Every time they try, Jensen slaps the snot out of them with another generation of cards.  Without proper competition from Team Red at the high end, Team Green can price their GPUs where ever they want, assuming the market will absorb them.

 

So far, we have.

[KaitouX]

26 minutes ago, jasonvp said:

It's clearly not "overpriced" because lots of folks bought them.  By definition, that means it's priced fine.  It may be overpriced for you, specifically, but not for the market as a whole.

People paid $600 for $250 GPUs for gaming during the mining boom, by your definition that means it was priced fine, but it obviously wasn't.

[jasonvp]

8 minutes ago, KaitouX said:

People paid $600 for $250 GPUs for gaming during the mining boom, by your definition that means it was priced fine, but it obviously wasn't.

But, it was.  That was the market at the time.  The market sucked, but there you go.  Sometimes the market doesn't play your way.  That's not NVidia's fault.  They should be allowed to charge what the market will bear, and the market clearly could bear a $1200 2080Ti when released.

[Blademaster91]

The market isn't fine if you admit we were forced to have overpriced GPU's. Most of the market cannot buy $1200 GPU's which is why the 1660/1660Ti and RTX2060 sell so well.

[jasonvp]

27 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

The market isn't fine if you admit we were forced to have overpriced GPU's. Most of the market cannot buy $1200 GPU's which is why the 1660/1660Ti and RTX2060 sell so well.

Why do you believe that "most of the market" should be able to afford the upper end GPUs?  That tells me you don't actually understand how the market works.  Some folks get to afford the upper end.  Fewer still can afford the top dog (Titan in this case).  The rest of the folks fall in line with the rest of the GPU strata, depending on their respective income levels.

 

NVidia is doing what NVidia is legally required to do: pursue greater and greater ROI for their investors.  They're a public company, and that comes along with being one.  If you're not happy with how they're pricing their upper end, you can do a few things:

 

1.  Don't buy it.

Turns out, that's OK.  Plenty of others will buy the $1200-tier card.  The word "plenty" is defined as: turning a profit for NVidia's investment in R&D.  So with that, you've accomplished nothing other than passing up the upper end GPU.  NVidia won't shed a tear.

 

2.  Don't buy it, but throw a tantrum online.

See #1.  NVidia isn't going to care.  They don't have to.

 

3.  Buy a lower-tier card.

NVidia is just as happy to sell you a mid-level card as it is to sell you an upper-level one.

 

If you want NVidia to change their pricing structure, focus your angst at AMD (or Intel).  Without competition in the very high end of gaming GPUs, NVidia has nothing but the market to help them price their products.  And so far, they're hitting the mark perfectly.