FCC orders net neutrality repeal

[Okjoek]

Source:

https://www.teletrader.com/fcc-orders-net-neutrality-repeal/news/details/42288522?internal=1

 

Quotes from article:

"The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) ruled in favor of repealing net neutrality on Thursday, following the vote on December 14 to roll back the rules which prevent providers from blocking or slowing down internet content, or offer "fast lanes" to websites in exchange for money."

 

"The FCC, led by Chair Ajit Pai published the "Restoring Internet Freedom Order" in the Federal Register, with the effective date set for April 23."

 

My opinion:

Me? I'm just making sure I download and backed up all of my "legally acquired" media.

 

[PCGuy_5960]

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[Okjoek]

2 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

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[Max_Settings]

I’m in favor of this. The repeal is not perfect, there needs to be new regulations in place. But if I had to pick between the current regulations and none of them, I’m going for the repeal.

[Misanthrope]

I'd be nice if a bunch of pro-net neutrality giants from the US filed to permanently leave the US as their base of operations on that same day.

[Unimaginative Name]

The internet grew up perfectly fine without net neutrality. There is enough competition and there exists enough anti-collusion and monopoly laws to naturally mitigate the threat a la carte internet solution. At least in theory. 

1 minute ago, Misanthrope said:

I'd be nice if a bunch of pro-net neutrality giants from the US filed to permanently leave the US as their base of operations on that same day.

Please elaborate. 

[GDRRiley]

Just now, Unimaginative Name said:

The internet grew up perfectly fine without net neutrality. There is enough competition there exist enough anti-collusion and monopoly laws to naturally mitigate the threat a la carte internet solution. At least in theory. 

not here in CA. I got 2 options for carriers over 50mbs and I gain 1 more if I could live with 25.
 

[AresKrieger]

I don't really see what the fuss is about tbh, people have over hyped the fallout of this but it could be that I simply have become jaded to hype ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Either way I suspect nothing will come from this other than terrible arguments by dumb people, the FCC doing something cringey and retarded again, and the left attempting to piggyback on this.

[AresKrieger]

1 minute ago, GDRRiley said:

not here in CA. I got 2 options for carriers over 50mbs and I gain 1 more if I could live with 25.
 

I have 1 option.......and it isn't 50mbs..........(also it's not as if I live in the woods or something the city has over 100,000 people)

[Unimaginative Name]

Just now, GDRRiley said:

not here in CA. I got 2 options for carriers over 50mbs and I gain 1 more if I could live with 25.
 

Three providers in a market where LITERALLY EVERYBODY is a customer provides plenty of competition. In both of the places where I live, there are 2-4 choices, and the competition is heavy, there is constant price undercutting and it forces large-scale technology improvements across the board. The possible exception would be people who live in BFE and have the option of 10/5 (trust me, it happens). 

[Big Head Tech]

4 minutes ago, Unimaginative Name said:

The internet grew up perfectly fine without net neutrality. There is enough competition and there exists enough anti-collusion and monopoly laws to naturally mitigate the threat a la carte internet solution. At least in theory. 

Please elaborate. 

I have 2 choices. 100/10 Comcast or dsl that claims 24/25 but doesn't deliver half that. The 10 Mbps makes me only able to live stream 720p at best. My uploads take forever. Comcast has pair local officials to deny Verizon to come into my area...

[Okjoek]

4 minutes ago, Unimaginative Name said:

The internet grew up perfectly fine without net neutrality.

Wasn't the whole thing adopted because of Netflix being throttled in the first place? Or does that fall under the definition of "fine"?

[GDRRiley]

Just now, Unimaginative Name said:

Three providers in a market where LITERALLY EVERYBODY is a customer provides plenty of competition. In both of the places where I live, there are 2-4 choices, and the competition is heavy, there is constant price undercutting and it forces large-scale technology improvements across the board. The possible exception would be people who live in BFE and have the option of 10/5 (trust me, it happens). 

it isn't. I shouldn't be pay 60$ a month for 100/100 fiber or 80$ for gig. for something that costs the ISP less the 10$ (for 100) to buy from upstream. 

[Lurick]

3 minutes ago, Unimaginative Name said:

Three providers in a market where LITERALLY EVERYBODY is a customer provides plenty of competition. In both of the places where I live, there are 2-4 choices, and the competition is heavy, there is constant price undercutting and it forces large-scale technology improvements across the board. The possible exception would be people who live in BFE and have the option of 10/5 (trust me, it happens). 

Tell that to rural America or the numerous places where new ISPs are pretty much stopped dead from sprouting up due to some bullcrap law a legacy ISP bribed and bought politicians to shove through.

 

Edit:

In large cities, sure there can be decent competition, but move away from those places and it drops to 1 ISP, usually via DSL or satellite.

[Misanthrope]

4 minutes ago, Unimaginative Name said:

The internet grew up perfectly fine without net neutrality.

That's flawed logic: It grew up fine without net neutrality because it grew up without ISP monopolies. ISPs are now regional monopolies and quickly consolidating so now that they can then why wouldn't they throttle competition?

 

So basically we already know for a fact throttle happened to Netflix for no good reason other than ISPs having competing products (cable) and wanting to unfairly disadvantage Netflix.

 

So you're wrong on multiple levels, objectively.

[Unimaginative Name]

Just now, Snaeb said:

I have 2 choices. 100/10 Comcast or dsl that claims 24/25 but doesn't deliver half that. The 10 Mbps makes me only able to live stream 720p at best. My uploads take forever. Comcast has pair local officials to deny Verizon to come into my area...

I guess I'm spoiled. I have the option of Verizon FIOS, Xfinity, and a couple of satellite providers. That's in MD. I've explored it less in Ohio, but I know Spectrum just came out with their 200 speeds stuff and there's also Hotwire and Buckeye.

[divito]

9 minutes ago, Unimaginative Name said:

The internet grew up perfectly fine without net neutrality.

It's grown to consolidate providers, section off areas of the market to protect mutual interests, and lead to throttling of traffic. What part of any of that is "fine?"

[Ryujin2003]

11 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

not here in CA. I got 2 options for carriers over 50mbs and I gain 1 more if I could live with 25.
 

We lived in CA for a bit... Unfortunately lived a few miles north of Verizon FiOS, and only had access to Cox Communication... And they are worse than.. well.. anything I've had in the past... Super expensive, low speeds, and consistently unreliable. Net neutrality didn't affect today at all...

[Egg-Roll]

3 minutes ago, divito said:

It's grown to consolidate providers, section off areas of the market to protect mutual interests, and lead to throttling of traffic. What part of any of that is "fine?"

Welcome to Bell Media, How may we steal your money today?

[Okjoek]

1 minute ago, Unimaginative Name said:

I guess I'm spoiled. I have the option of Verizon FIOS, Xfinity, and a couple of satellite providers. That's in MD. I've explored it less in Ohio, but I know Spectrum just came out with their 200 speeds stuff and there's also Hotwire and Buckeye.

The place I currently stay in is an appartment where I get Verizon Fios. I actually used to live "in the woods" where we only had one ISP called Frontier which gave us DSL. We only got 5mbps there. I never realized just how much faster Gigabit Ethernet is because I had never used it before.

 

Sadly as far as internet is concerned this is only temporary accommodation for us and we will be moving again shortly.

[leadeater]

12 minutes ago, Unimaginative Name said:

Three providers in a market where LITERALLY EVERYBODY is a customer provides plenty of competition. In both of the places where I live, there are 2-4 choices, and the competition is heavy, there is constant price undercutting and it forces large-scale technology improvements across the board. The possible exception would be people who live in BFE and have the option of 10/5 (trust me, it happens). 

Wow 4 choices, everyone in my country has a choice of a minimum of 15 and there are a lot more than that. We are a tiny nation of 4.7 million so why do you have less options than I have?

 

If I limit that list to the truly large ISPs then every person has access to 10.

[leadeater]

Just now, valdyrgramr said:

*pulls off their mask*  

Geez, you could have at least made the image smaller. RIP low res monitor users.

[Ryujin2003]

4 minutes ago, Okjoek said:

The place I currently stay in is an appartment where I get Verizon Fios. I actually used to live "in the woods" where we only had one ISP called Frontier which gave us DSL. We only got 5mbps there. I never realized just how much faster Gigabit Ethernet is because I had never used it before.

 

Sadly as far as internet is concerned this is only temporary accommodation for us and we will be moving again shortly.

We currently have Verizon FiOS. And frankly, that's all I need.. had them once, too an 8 year break after moving (because they weren't available) and finally moved again, and choose a place that had Verizon. My only requirement for location...

I feel bad about the DSL. We have a company contacted with the state to provide internet in the farm lands where there isn't cable. Seriously $20 a month for unlimited around 15mbps via microwave towers.

 

Took me nearly a day to download Fallout 4.

 

[Okjoek]

1 minute ago, Ryujin2003 said:

We currently have Verizon FiOS. And frankly, that's all I need.. had them once, too an 8 year break after moving (because they weren't available) and finally moved again, and choose a place that had Verizon. My only requirement for location...

I feel bad about the DSL. We have a company contacted with the state to provide internet in the farm lands where there isn't cable. Seriously $20 a month for unlimited around 15mbps via microwave towers.

 

Too me nearly a day to download Fallout 4.

 

I remember always setting games to download before going to bed or school.

[Ryujin2003]

1 minute ago, Okjoek said:

I remember always setting games to download before going to bed or school.

And I used to think Roadrunner dial up was slow AF.