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Dolby Labs: Old Photoshop? That's a lawsuitin - Adobe warns of potential lawsuits for users who don't update.

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Adobe has stated "You are no longer licensed to use the software," and “Please be aware that should you continue to use the discontinued version(s), you may be at risk of potential claims of infringement by third parties.” to anyone using old versions of it's creative cloud software..

 

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Adobe is warning some owners of its Creative Cloud...that they’re no longer allowed to use older versions. Yet another example of how...you increasingly don’t actually own the things you’ve spent your hard-earned money on. Adobe this week began sending some users of its Lightroom Classic, Photoshop, Premiere, Animate, and Media Director programs a letter warning them that they were no longer legally authorized to use the software. “We have recently discontinued certain older versions of Creative Cloud applications and and a result, under the terms of our agreement, you are no longer licensed to use them,” Adobe said in the email. “Please be aware that should you continue to use the discontinued version(s), you may be at risk of potential claims of infringement by third parties.” Users were less than enthusiastic about the sudden restrictions. The company didn’t inform users why they needed to discontinue use of the software, but the company’s Twitter account indicated the issue stems from “ongoing litigation.” AppleInsider...pointed to a copyright lawsuit filed last year by Dolby Labs. Adobe pivoted away from the standard software model to the cloud-based subscription model in 2013. Dolby’s lawsuit accused Adobe of copyright violations related to how the licensing costs...would be calculated under this new model. In a statement to Motherboard, Adobe confirmed the letter's authenticity, but wouldn’t provide any additional detail beyond what was included in the notices. Dylan Gilbert, a copyright expert with consumer group Public Knowledge, said “Unless Adobe has violated the terms of its licensing agreement by this sudden discontinuance of support for an earlier software version, which is unlikely, these impacted users have to just grin and bear it,” “Even if Adobe is fully in the right here with regard to the Dolby dispute, it has the power to force its customers to upgrade to newer more expensive versions at its whim, which illustrates the undue power and influence of EULAs over the lives of consumers,” It’s a comical, lopsided arrangement that copyright experts say isn’t changing anytime soon, leaving consumers with only one real option: when possible, don’t buy products from companies with a history of pulling the carpet out from beneath your feet.

 

My Thoughts:

I can understand restricting access to older versions, such as removing download links, etc. However, it seems completely unreasonable to take a user to court over it. To start off with, not all users are computer literate, many may install a piece of software and then never upgrade it, especially if a newer version costs additional money. I surely hope that no lawsuits against users occur.


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No problem, I'll just pirate the newest version.


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Herrrr derrr why does piracy exist. Really Adobe? I would much rather pay $650 once than $59/month forever and be sued because I couldn't update my AdobeCC apps because I hit my data limit on my internet. Davanci resolve and GIMP I guess


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or what if a user has an old computer that cannot run a newer version and is therefore stuck on the old version?? if it still does what they want it to do why should they be forced to upgrade? 


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In the opener it says Adobe Creative Cloud. 

 

I could be wrong but IIRC that is a subscription based license, like MS Office 365. When they decide to make an upgrade for the subcription based model, you are supposed to move with it. Not stay on older versions.

 

 


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It's so the greedy bastards can push their garbage subscription model and milk you for every dime you have. To hell with them. I hate piracy, but if somebody wanted to go ahead with this I really couldn't feel bad for Adobe.


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3 minutes ago, Anghammarad said:

In the opener it says Adobe Creative Cloud. 

 

I could be wrong but IIRC that is a subscription based license, like MS Office 365. When they decide to make an upgrade for the subcription based model, you are supposed to move with it. Not stay on older versions.

 

 

Not always an option given I've 6 GB/month of internet to play with. Heck, my Windows install is about a year out of date due to this.


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can't break the law if you have a pirated version already

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Adobe is just getting more and more shitty, yay for cheap/free alternatives!!


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1 minute ago, Zodiark1593 said:

Not always an option given I've 6 GB/month of internet to play with. Heck, my Windows install is about a year out of date due to this.

Windows is not based on "As a Service Subscription" model. MS just rolls out 2 hugh feature upgrades a year, at least they try to. 

 

If you don't go with that, while running windows 10, you will soon run out of support and normal updates because MS is keeping a tighter support timeline with windows 10.


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4 minutes ago, Mr. horse said:

But you already broke the law.

exactly

 

can't break the law if you already broke it


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9 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

exactly

 

can't break the law if you already broke it

lol what? That does not even make sense.


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21 minutes ago, r2724r16 said:

No problem, I'll just pirate the newest version.

Ahoy matey, Ill sail that ship.


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Ok. This is going to be a different opinion than what I've see thus far...but here I go.

 

I'm reading this specific part: Please be aware that should you continue to use the discontinued version(s), you may be at risk of potential claims of infringement by third parties

To me, that means that Adobe has structured their specific agreements with 3rd parties (filters, effects, 3rd party processing, etc) such that when a version of CC is no longer supported, the licensing agreement has been nullified. I don't think Adobe would sue anyone for using an older version, they are notifying you as the user that you are no longer protected by such agreements and open to litigation with a 3rd party company. This was probably a power move by Adobe to lower licensing costs for 3rd party tools that they utilize.

 

I'm a Software Engineer, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

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15 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

can't break the law if you have a pirated version already

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Fixed that for you 😛


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17 minutes ago, 2SidedPolygon said:

It's so the greedy bastards can push their garbage subscription model and milk you for every dime you have. To hell with them. I hate piracy, but if somebody wanted to go ahead with this I really couldn't feel bad for Adobe.

26 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Herrrr derrr why does piracy exist. Really Adobe? I would much rather pay $650 once than $59/month forever and be sued because I couldn't update my AdobeCC apps because I hit my data limit on my internet. Davanci resolve and GIMP I guess

 

The article says that this applies to users of Creative Cloud, so people who are ALREADY on the subscription model. They just somehow did not update their apps? Updates are free as long as you are a subscriber. We have Adobe CC at work, and that is how it works. There are no more "versions" of the software, it just updates continuously, like Windows 10 does.

 

This whole thing is puzzling to me. If you are a subscriber, why would you not just update to the latest version?

 

"Please be aware that should you continue to use the discontinued version(s), you may be at risk of potential claims of infringement by third parties."

 

Sounds like some legal licensing dispute with Dolby has to do with parts of their older versions of software not being up to snuff. So they need to push the newer versions that do not contain Dolby IP. They are just covering their asses legally, so Adobe don't get sued by people who are getting sued by Dolby for using old versions of Adobe Creative Cloud.

 

Y'all need to learn how to read, instead of reading the thread topic and jumping to conclusions.

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5 minutes ago, firstchrono said:

Ok. This is going to be a different opinion than what I've see thus far...but here I go.

 

I'm reading this specific part: Please be aware that should you continue to use the discontinued version(s), you may be at risk of potential claims of infringement by third parties

To me, that means that Adobe has structured their specific agreements with 3rd parties (filters, effects, 3rd party processing, etc) such that when a version of CC is no longer supported, the licensing agreement has been nullified. I don't think Adobe would sue anyone for using an older version, they are notifying you as the user that you are no longer protected by such agreements and open to litigation with a 3rd party company. This was probably a power move by Adobe to lower licensing costs for 3rd party tools that they utilize.

 

I'm a Software Engineer, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

I agree. It looks like its not Adobe that dong the suing but others. They are just warning its users. 


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4 minutes ago, maartendc said:

The article says that this applies to users of Creative Cloud, so people who are ALREADY on the subscription model. They just somehow did not update their apps? Updates are free as long as you are a subscriber.

 

This whole thing is puzzling to me. If you are a subscriber, why would you not just update to the latest version?

 

"Please be aware that should you continue to use the discontinued version(s), you may be at risk of potential claims of infringement by third parties."

 

Sounds like some legal licensing dispute with Dolby has to do with parts of their older versions of software not being up to snuff. So they need to push the newer versions that do not contain Dolby IP?

 

Ah, I see.


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31 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Herrrr derrr why does piracy exist. Really Adobe? I would much rather pay $650 once than $59/month forever and be sued because I couldn't update my AdobeCC apps because I hit my data limit on my internet. Davanci resolve and GIMP I guess

Snazzy Labs said that Final Cut Pro was his best purchase ever. The price is steep ($300 for an editing software) but he gets continual updates and can use it on as many devices as needed. Buy it once, keep it forever. This is of course the preferred model.

 

I'm not a fan of the sub-based, high price Adobe charges with Creative Cloud in general but I get it. Industry standard, pro tools yadda yadda

 

On another note: does anyone know if upgrading costs money?

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Just now, ONOTech said:

On another note: does anyone know if upgrading costs money?

I'm sure it does.


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