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AMD Radeon VII Benchmark/Launch Mega Thread

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I have no idea why someone would choose this over the 2080.  In the best cases it barely edges out the 2080, in performance averages it is 10-14% behind the 2080 depending on resolution. 


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1 minute ago, TahoeDust said:

I have no idea why someone would choose this over the 2080.  In the best cases it barely edges out the 2080, in performance averages it is 10-14% behind the 2080 depending on resolution. 

yeah but the radeon is also more power hungry, hotter, louder and it doesn't support any of the new tech that will come with 2019 games...developer support and optimization for AMD cards is few and far between, and getting worse everyday...and they removed crossfire support...what else could you want? if only they we're only down on performance...and if only this was a 499$ card we were talking about.


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This summer we will see a PCIE 4 version


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Just now, THraShArD said:

This summer we will see a PCIE 4 version

What do they expect to change with this?  Is it saturating PCIE 3 now?


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This is one huge dud of a product, I guess its good for the Never Nvidia'ers, but that is it. Same price, less features, more power hungry, and less availability than the 2080.

 

This GPU generation is turning out to be the most disappointing. Even with the 7nm advantage, and a ton of HBM2, AMD could not top Nvidia's best, or give consumers a price/performance champion.

 

 

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I thought AMD was going to be our savior and save everyone from high GPU prices.  Maybe Nvidia is not actually gouging the market and it is just really expensive to make GPU with the performance we are demanding?  Who would have thunk it.


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8 minutes ago, Chett_Manly said:

This is one huge dud of a product, I guess its good for the Never Nvidia'ers, but that is it. Same price, less features, more power hungry, and less availability than the 2080.

 

This GPU generation is turning out to be the most disappointing. Even with the 7nm advantage, and a ton of HBM2, AMD could not top Nvidia's best, or give consumers a price/performance champion.

 

 

It's a tweaked Vega 64. What were you expecting? It's a miracle they mostly got performance close to GTX 2080 given they used old(er) core design.

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2 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

It's a tweaked Vega 64. What were you expecting? It's a miracle they mostly got performance close to GTX 2080 given they used old(er) core design.

I was expecting the old AMD that actually created compelling new products. 😭

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9 minutes ago, Chett_Manly said:

I was expecting the old AMD that actually created compelling new products. 😭

I mean, their compelling products didnt sell. Why would a 100$ cheaper radeon 7 Sell?

 

Also given what they have on the table. They couldnt have made anything better at this point in time.

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1 minute ago, Taf the Ghost said:

 About 6 minutes in, DF talks a lot about the actual use cases for 16 Gb of VRAM. The main thing to note is that DF clearly understands the Technical aspects of their Editing programs better than others. Haha

so this card might make sense if you actually do high-end video production for a living...like if you host a highly successful million sub youtube tech channel for example 😛

 


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Just now, Chett_Manly said:

I was expecting the old AMD that actually created compelling new products. 😭

wait for Navi. can't remember their roadmap, but if they're still on GCN iterations, that'll be on them ._.

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Just now, i_build_nanosuits said:

so this card might make sense if you actually do high-end video production for a living...like if you host a highly successful million sub youtube tech channel for example 😛

 

The Vega SSG always seemed more useful for that, but no one ever seemed to get a hold of one to test it. But it is a good sign of where things are going, and DF has an appreciation for what further VRAM can allow for certain workloads. DF is a lot more technical than most of the YT video reviewers. And I do love their real-time graphs.

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4 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

wait for Navi. can't remember their roadmap, but if they're still on GCN iterations, that'll be on them ._.

They're transitioning to something of a hybrid system. The "GCN Problem" is interior limitations at the front end that limits how many SPs they can put in it. Vega was supposed to be the first big transition away, but RTG has been a mess for a while. Then HBM came out too expensive and Vega came in under the performance expectation.

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21 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

wait for Navi. can't remember their roadmap, but if they're still on GCN iterations, that'll be on them ._.

gcn is only a problem if the configuration is bad, navi should not have the same problem as its under the limitations of gcn (as it currently stands with 4 shader engines), 

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It's looking like an ok refresh replacement with decent performance over original Vega though. Having high amount of VRAM is great, though for this one they could've ended with lower capacity and lower the price along, would fit better. They have something new on top tier now, mainly to have something out there before Navi comes, which also seems it will be fragmented release with various tiers. Probably entire lineup replacement.


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1 hour ago, TahoeDust said:

What do they expect to change with this?  Is it saturating PCIE 3 now?

Nope but might be usefull for multi gpu if it wasn't dead.

 

1 hour ago, Ithanul said:

It actually reminds me more of the orginial Titan because of the compute chomps this Radeon VII has.  Good at gaming but no slouch either when some compute work needs to be done.

And this is why I have bought one. Will be great for my simulation work and decent for machine learning. I spend more time on this stuff than gaming at the moment.


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1 hour ago, TahoeDust said:

I have no idea why someone would choose this over the 2080.  In the best cases it barely edges out the 2080, in performance averages it is 10-14% behind the 2080 depending on resolution. 

In my case I just like the radeon cards. I like how they look, and the AMD control panel is more complete, easier to use, and less clunky than Nvidia's control panel + geforce experience combo. I don't have any use for RTX or DLSS because those haven't been implemented in any of the games I play, if and when they become popular there'll probs be second gen RTX cards out. 

It should perform on par with the 2080 as well, especially once we get updated drives vs the buggy launch day ones, and then if I do any rendering for friends or anything it should beat the 2080 easily, it competes more with a 2080 Ti then. Not to mention the 16GB VRAM and memory bandwidth vs the step back the 2080 took by going with 8GB VRAM. I already have a 1080 Ti so I don't need a card that performs the same with less VRAM and is from the same manufacturer, the RVII should compete while having more VRAM and being more fun to tinker with because it's new. 


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2 hours ago, xAcid9 said:

AMD simply doesn't bother to compete in gaming market anymore imo, Bullzoid said this in one of his video and i agree with that. 

No, its not that they are unable, its that people wouldn't buy the higher end AMD Card anyway as most "Gamers" only buy nVidia for no reason.

 

YOu see that here in this Forum all the time, where people rather buy a shitty 3GiB 1060 instead of an 8GiB RX470 or 570.


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So it's basically a 2080 with 16 gigs, that's nice.

A more future-proof alternative is at least something i guess.


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1 hour ago, Stefan Payne said:

No, its not that they are unable, its that people wouldn't buy the higher end AMD Card anyway as most "Gamers" only buy nVidia for no reason.

 

YOu see that here in this Forum all the time, where people rather buy a shitty 3GiB 1060 instead of an 8GiB RX470 or 570.

Don't worry, this forum is plenty pro-AMD already. Much more so than about year and half ago when I joined.

 

Most people used to buy Intel as well before Ryzen and then AMD got their shit together. You can blame users all you want but until AMD does something really amazing in GPU segment, people will continue to buy NVIDIA. 

 

AMD needs to pull off a Ryzen in GPU.

 

They could've accomplished that much with this card if they halfed the RAM and dropped the price by 150-200 USD. But no, instead of using the opening NVIDIA gave them by making their GPU's more expensive due to RTX, they decided to match the price in order to fulfil some kind of weird fetish with 16GB HBM2 memory. It's obvious they are not even trying to compete seriously in gaming market because it's not that hard to do research how much memory is needed in that segment.

 

If I were in the market for a new GPU with 700 USD to spare, I'd have gone with a 2080 because of additional features and because I refuse to buy AMD out of pity.

 


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I think it's absolutely lame and BS not one review mentions Quake performance.  Everyone's notes came from the same Cracker Jack Box.


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2 minutes ago, Lathlaer said:

AMD needs to pull off a Ryzen in GPU.

They did, a couple of times.

 

Just look at how good Radeon HD7970 was compared to GTX680, especially in hinsight, what an awesome deal the Radeon would have been if you've gotten it. But people ignore all those facts and don't listen...

 

3 minutes ago, Lathlaer said:

You can blame users all you want but until AMD does something really amazing in GPU segment, people will continue to buy NVIDIA. 

Radeon HD5870 vs. GTX 480.

GTX 480 consumed +100W (IIRC even in idle), people still bought it, although the AMD Card was the better one.

1,5 Generations Later (6k and GTX500 were more or less refreshes), AMD had a bit higher power consumption and now that was the issue. They didn't care about that with the GTX 500 and especially 400 Generation.

And the Radeon HD7950 and 70 also had +50% more Memory than nVidia at the time...

Same with Radeon R9-290 and GTX 780...

 

So the conclusion is that people lie and make up something to not buy AMD, even if it is a good deal...

 

So yeah, everyone that didn't buy AMD ever or whenever it is a good, viable Option.

 

7 minutes ago, Lathlaer said:

They could've accomplished that much with this card if they halfed the RAM and dropped the price by 150-200 USD.

No they couldn't as that would be a VEGA 56 with a 7nm Chip.

There is no advantage in doing that.

And ordering 2hi HBM Stacks (the ones used are IIRC 4hi) would mean a seperate supply line for the "Consumer" Radeon 7...

 

And again, people are missing that they get 16 GiB VRAM!

Why ignore that point? Why claim that its not important?? 

The larger VRAM Cards were always the ones you could use way longer than the lesser ones...

 

12 minutes ago, Lathlaer said:

But no, instead of using the opening NVIDIA gave them by making their GPU's more expensive due to RTX, they decided to match the price in order to fulfil some kind of weird fetish with 16GB HBM2 memory.

No, nVidia made this card possible with the high prices.

The "sources" say that Navi was delayed and the Radeon 7 is PlanB because of that. And because of the delay they couldn't talk about Navi (yet), that would Osborne their lineup.

The 16GiB HBM2 are due to supplyline, availability.

 

Why should they make a new supply line for a (probably) limited production run??
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3 hours ago, TahoeDust said:

I have no idea why someone would choose this over the 2080.  In the best cases it barely edges out the 2080, in performance averages it is 10-14% behind the 2080 depending on resolution. 

Because I care more about rendering, but it also will do better in games that I play too.  After seeing the blender results I am very pleased.  I mostly play arena shooters from id, other id titles, hack and slash games like DMC V, and so on.  The only game I have some interest in, where RTX is even going to be utilized at all, is Anthem.  But, that's not a game I am going to play a lot compared to Rage 2, Doom Eternal, Quake Champions, and Devil May Cry V.


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