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NVidia Losses half of its value

exetras
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2 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Why would Nvidia be going down that much? The only negative new's I've heard from them is that they have had a bit of overstock. 

Cryptocurrency crash caused Nvidia to underperform since they bet big on crypto.
newest generation of cards are a slight disappointment.

overall market is down past 2 months (but not by as much as nvidia went down).

All 3 of those caused them to slip. I think it will go back up just fine once they get the rest of their new cards out and they can focus on more traditional means of making money rather than making bets on things like crypto and ray tracing.

 

2 hours ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Show of hands of who actually trades on the stock market.

 

Because this type of news is only relevant to them.

Me
AMD too
My nvda shares are down ~15% right now :/
AMD up nearly 100%. Bought them both at around the same time too.

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14 minutes ago, poochyena said:

Cryptocurrency crash caused Nvidia to underperform since they bet big on crypto.
newest generation of cards are a slight disappointment.

overall market is down past 2 months (but not by as much as nvidia went down).

All 3 of those caused them to slip. I think it will go back up just fine once they get the rest of their new cards out and they can focus on more traditional means of making money rather than making bets on things like crypto and ray tracing.

 

Me
AMD too
My nvda shares are down ~15% right now :/
AMD up nearly 100%. Bought them both at around the same time too.

Nvidia didnt bet big on crypto. They dont make a single product specifically for it. Clueless analysts bet on it to manipulate the stock price and pump and dump it.

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3 hours ago, D13H4RD said:

A lot of stocks have been down, especially over at the NASDAQ. Many for a multitude of reasons.

Yep, it's not exclusive to Nvidia.

Whole market is all over the place. Financial crisis is knocking on our door, waving flags and hoping we'll notice.

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The real question for investors is: Is now the time we should catch the knife for a rebound, or will it fall further. I think it has bottomed out before at another temporary rise, but we'll see.

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4 hours ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

I can see the 2080Ti problems causing a dip, but not that low.

 

In my opinion, people need to stop complaining about ray tracing performance. It's not unplayable, I don't see too much of a problem. It'll also get better, as it is a fairly new technology for consumers.

Ray tracing wasn't ready for consumers even to the early adopters. If they would have released a PHAT turing GPU and then on the refresh added ray tracing people would have bought it. But paying $1200 or $2500 for 60fps 1080p? Yeah no. Nvidia also has a ton of money for R&D

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Bubble popped.

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Stock price threads are always funny to read, Yep, it was definitely RTX.   *giggle giggle cough LOL.

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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1 hour ago, mr moose said:

Stock price threads are always funny to read, Yep, it was definitely RTX.   *giggle giggle cough LOL.

im surprised no one has said 

"all their shady and illegal business practices are finally catching up with them"

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4 hours ago, M.Yurizaki said:

I'm pretty sure you're not relying on LTT forums to tell you what's going on :P

I don't rely on it, but it, along with other tech forums, are a great place to get information about tech companies quickly and to discuss speculation.

 

4 hours ago, Amazonsucks said:

Nvidia didnt bet big on crypto. They dont make a single product specifically for it. Clueless analysts bet on it to manipulate the stock price and pump and dump it.

Mar 29 2018
"Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang: Cryptocurrency is here to stay, will be an 'important driver' for our business"
"Huang says that he doesn't expect cryptocurrencies to go away anytime soon."

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/29/nvidia-ceo-jensen-huang-cryptocurrency-blockchain-are-here-to-stay.html

 

The CEO sure seemed pumped up about crypto to me, and considering their massive oversupply for 10 series cards, sounds like they were betting on the cypto surge to stay around for awhile.

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41 minutes ago, poochyena said:

 

Mar 29 2018
"Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang: Cryptocurrency is here to stay, will be an 'important driver' for our business"
"Huang says that he doesn't expect cryptocurrencies to go away anytime soon."

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/29/nvidia-ceo-jensen-huang-cryptocurrency-blockchain-are-here-to-stay.html

 

The CEO sure seemed pumped up about crypto to me, and considering their massive oversupply for 10 series cards, sounds like they were betting on the cypto surge to stay around for awhile.

Also this when they released last quarters disappointing results:

 

"Our near-term results reflect excess channel inventory post the crypto-currency boom, which will be corrected," CEO Jensen Huang said in a statement.

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3 hours ago, mr moose said:

Stock price threads are always funny to read, Yep, it was definitely RTX.   *giggle giggle cough LOL.

There’s multiple reasons for the stock devaluing and the RTX line of cards is actually partially responsible, you only have to look back to late September when a Morgan Stanley analyst called the cards “disappointing” and the stock dropped 2.1% on that alone, gaming card sales do make up a large chunk of Nvidias profit.

 

Aside from that there’s the fact it has been on a consistent bull run and was well overdue for a correction, they burned themselves with excessive inventory and the sector is down in general.

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Holy balls -- that's moved a lot in a year. 

 

Not knowing what volume trading has been it's harder for me (a random idiot)  to know what drove prices to their peak and what may have caused their fall.  Large volume trades would normally indicate smart, institutional money; but only looking at price makes postulating irresponsible.  So there could be individual opinions gambling on tech news and there could be smart money that delves into Nvidia's financials.  Smart money that can interpret Nvidia's corporate performance measured against the industry and the expectations for the future.  

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3 hours ago, nick name said:

Holy balls -- that's moved a lot in a year. 

 

Not knowing what volume trading has been it's harder for me (a random idiot)  to know what drove prices to their peak and what may have caused their fall.  Large volume trades would normally indicate smart, institutional money; but only looking at price makes postulating irresponsible.  So there could be individual opinions gambling on tech news and there could be smart money that delves into Nvidia's financials.  Smart money that can interpret Nvidia's corporate performance measured against the industry and the expectations for the future.  

There’s a lot of hype around their data center products and AI products (i.e. self driving cars), that was what was fueling it for a while.

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4 hours ago, schwellmo92 said:

There’s multiple reasons for the stock devaluing and the RTX line of cards is actually partially responsible, you only have to look back to late September when a Morgan Stanley analyst called the cards “disappointing” and the stock dropped 2.1% on that alone, gaming card sales do make up a large chunk of Nvidias profit.

 

Aside from that there’s the fact it has been on a consistent bull run and was well overdue for a correction, they burned themselves with excessive inventory and the sector is down in general.

umm O.K then.  

 

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6 hours ago, poochyena said:

I don't rely on it, but it, along with other tech forums, are a great place to get information about tech companies quickly and to discuss speculation.

 

Mar 29 2018
"Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang: Cryptocurrency is here to stay, will be an 'important driver' for our business"
"Huang says that he doesn't expect cryptocurrencies to go away anytime soon."

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/29/nvidia-ceo-jensen-huang-cryptocurrency-blockchain-are-here-to-stay.html

 

The CEO sure seemed pumped up about crypto to me, and considering their massive oversupply for 10 series cards, sounds like they were betting on the cypto surge to stay around for awhile.

I would consider betting big to involve developing products for that market specifically. Nvidia bet big on AI and machine learning a few years ago and it paid off and with GPU compute about a decade ago and that really paid off.

 

I dont doubt that he wanted to sell GPUs and stocks by saying that but Nvidia didnt pursue it like CUDA or their deep learning stuff since they probably knew it was a flash in the pan in reality.

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*clap clap* stock review! it's dead now

 

jk you should probably buy now

 

On 12/13/2018 at 2:59 AM, Amazonsucks said:

I would consider betting big to involve developing products for that market specifically. Nvidia bet big on AI and machine learning a few years ago and it paid off and with GPU compute about a decade ago and that really paid off.

 

I dont doubt that he wanted to sell GPUs and stocks by saying that but Nvidia didnt pursue it like CUDA or their deep learning stuff since they probably knew it was a flash in the pan in reality.

Linus and Luke talked about tech stocks on the last WAN show and they agreed that even for people well within the industry it's hard to get reliable predictions and that the market is extremely unreliable. They don't own any tech stocks at the moment.

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end of the bubble of the orange man tax brakes, disaster RTX cards, high inventory of pascal (1060 gddr5x)... the reasons i can see

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Honestly I'm seriously considering investing some $$ now, this is a great opportunity.

They are focusing on enterprise GPUs for servers and supercomputers as well as drive PX, both of which are far more important and reliable than the consumer GPU market for 'gamers'.

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4 hours ago, Enderman said:

Honestly I'm seriously considering investing some $$ now, this is a great opportunity.

They are focusing on enterprise GPUs for servers and supercomputers as well as drive PX, both of which are far more important and reliable than the consumer GPU market for 'gamers'.

AMD is the better buy IMO. Nvidia mcap is 90b, Intel 210b and AMD 20b.

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I'll just state my thoughts here flatly:

 

1) Major stock changes are usually due to major trading institutions selling or buying stocks. This can refer to either public or private institutions. Some are more well-known than others, but all of them possess the necessary capital and influence to access deep analysis of a company, its industry, and relevant externalities.

 

2) 70% - 80% of most financial capital are meant for long-term trades. In institutional terms, this refers to buying and holding across a span of 3 to 5 years, with quarterly analysis to monitor the situation. Nvidia's stocks are not moving up and down. They're falling permanently, and there's nothing that small retail investors (referring to people like us) can do about it. We simply don't have similar amounts of financial capital.

 

3) Part of the analysis done for Nvidia (and Intel or other similar tech companies) doesn't just look at market share. Deep analysis also examines the patents filed, research papers published, notable individuals who work in the industry, and so on. AMD's engineering staff have been publishing research papers and implementing chiplet designs that analysts have been monitoring for almost 3 years, which is before the original Ryzen 1000 series were launched. The chiplet process and architecture designs have thus far proven highly successful and scaleable on current silicon manufacturing processes. It doesn't look like Nvidia has a similar technology that it can bring to bear, which makes its future very bleak given its lack of successful research publications as compared to AMD's engineering staff.

 

4) This brings us to the reason on why we see prices of Intel, Nvidia, and other competitors falling: Analysts know that these companies are underperforming, but they do not know if AMD or any other company are capable of dominating the industry yet. The analysts need to know that the entire value chain of a company is successful.

 

5) Value chain refers to the entire process of doing business. In Nvidia's case, this refers to research -> prototype -> manufacturing-at-scale -> Logistics fulfillment & business partnerships -> Sales (incl MarComms) -> after-sales. While Nvidia dominates in manufacturing and sales, we can see that its research, prototyping, and logistics have been faltering consistently over the past few years. They simply have not been creating something new of their own, but have instead been relying on innovations of past research. To be clear, they have not been pushing research frontiers for several years.

 

6) Given this situation, we are also unlikely to see any technology company's stock rise due to major capital injections from the major trading institutions. Until they can prove themselves, the analysts will tell the capital owners to hold their cash and wait.

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19 hours ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Show of hands of who actually trades on the stock market.

 

Because this type of news is only relevant to them.

The YTD for the NASDAQ stocks I have invested (not Nvidia related, but to show it's a stock-wide thing) Everything after October is now at a loss for the year. It's still up from the beginning of 2017 if anyone has had investments that long ago so you're still in the black

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19 hours ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

I can see the 2080Ti problems causing a dip, but not that low.

 

In my opinion, people need to stop complaining about ray tracing performance. It's not unplayable, I don't see too much of a problem. It'll also get better, as it is a fairly new technology for consumers.

In my opinion, people need to stop praising ray tracing performance. It's not implemented in enough games nor affordable enough to be considered relevant, I don't see too much of a problem with staying on 10 series or RX cards. It'll hopefully get better so the people who invested in an RTX card can justisfy paying the asking price, as it is a fairly new technology for developers to implement in a market dominated by 1060s and console gaming I dont see that happening...

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15 minutes ago, Adramalech said:

In my opinion, people need to stop praising ray tracing performance. It's not implemented in enough games nor affordable enough to be considered relevant, I don't see too much of a problem with staying on 10 series or RX cards. It'll hopefully get better so the people who invested in an RTX card can justisfy paying the asking price, as it is a fairly new technology for developers to implement in a market dominated by 1060s and console gaming I dont see that happening...

Nobody in this thread is praising ray-tracing performance. This thought process is silly, you would of said the same about dual core processors in the day because all the software was developed for single cores. Ray Tracing IS the future. It is used in almost every high budget hollywood film today. The fact that we can do rendering in real time using RTX is an insane technological leap. Just because you find it to be expensive for what it is, does not mean it isn't relevant. People in this post keep talking about it, so it is clearly a relevant technology.

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