RTX Reviews

[maartendc]

These cards offer pretty decent performance, but the pricing, In my opinion, is a bad evolution:

Previously:

At the same performance level, they got cheaper between generations. A GTX 1070 was as fast as a 980Ti, but a LOT cheaper ($ 379 vs. $ 599). 

OR

The cards between generations at the same price point, got faster. a GTX 1080 was much faster than a GTX 980, for the same launch price $ 549.

Now:

The cards at the same performance level got more expensive between generations (which should NEVER happen): GTX 1080Ti vs 2080 equally fast, but 33% more expensive, $ 599 against $799).

OR

The cards are a good bit faster, but a LOT more expensive (GTX 1080TI vs 2080Ti + 70% for 3rd party cards or + 100% for FE).

 

Long story short.

• The 2080 is equal to 1080Ti performance for 33% more money
• The 2080Ti is 30-40% more performance for 70-100% more money.

BAD VALUE

And besides, unless you want to play in 4K on 144Hz, you do not need the 2080Ti at all? A 1080Ti has been long enough for 4K 60Hz. I own a 1440P 60Hz monitor, so for me these cards are all overkill. Faster than a 1070 or 980Ti I do not need. Let us hope that the 2060 series card is faster than the 1070 for less money.

 

The only reason to get these new cards seems to be if you are really sold on Ray Tracing. Otherwise they offer bad value. So whether Ray Tracing is worth the price premium for you is a bit of a personal decision.

[SolarNova]

As most of us feared. The 2080, the only new card any gaming/PC enthusiast would be looking at, is nothign mroe than a more expensive 1080ti with new features that cannot yet be used.

The 2080ti is priced in as a Titan, those who have no issue spendign that much will ofc be the same popel who were ok with buying Titans in the past, which is geat for them, I mean no disrespect in saying that, really good for you if you can afford to buy Titans. But for the vast majority of PC and gaming enthusiasts, the 2080 is the card to look at, and unfortunatly its just not worth the markup above a 1080ti.

 

Alass, this likely means my plan of buying a couple used 1080ti's for cheap is going up in smoke. While i have learned never to underestimate the abundence of people willing to just throw money at new things, i doubt there will be enough people buying new 20 series cards to replace their 1080ti's for me to pick them up cheap

 

 

AMD .. you really need to bring somthing out to challenge Nvidia, this monopoly on high end GPU's nvidia has sucks.

[bowrilla]

6 minutes ago, maartendc said:

The 2080 is equal to 1080Ti performance for 33% more money

$799 vs $699 is not an increase of 33%, it's ~14% and you still get some new technologies that will give you an advantage in the future. AIB 1080Ti start usually around $650 (except a slower Mini version by Zotac).

 

Despite that I do agree with you. The performance is indeed disappointing and the new technology won't do anything right now. We'll maybe see a few titles at the end of the year, wider adoption and patches for older games will still be scarce. Over time the 2080 will improve a bit via driver optimization and better usage of the new technologies. Since you hardly need anything beyond a 1060 6GB or a 1070 for 1080p gaming, the bigger GPUs are only interesting at higher resolutions and then the 2080 already starts to be marginally better right now. So people don't need to panic and run to the shops to buy one of the last 1080 Ti in stock. The 2080 will get a bit cheaper. We just don't get significantly improved performance.

 

Bottom line: if you already have anything better than a 1070 don't bother unless you really need the bragging rights. 

[Bananasplit_00]

I wasent hyped but I'm still disappointed

[samcool55]

I haven't seen any reviews talk about it (haven't watched many either because tbh it's nothing unexpected) but, wtf is going on with only 8GB of vram?

Like, an rx 570/580 is available with 8 gigs and that thing is not even in the same league as a 2080.

 

HOW? Like, it has a lot of GPU power and that 8 gigs is not enough for the future, not with that amount of raw power.

It's stupidly expensive and will become earlier obsolete than it should be because it doesn't have enough VRAM.

[Tech Enthusiast]

8 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

"leaving out RT and DLSS" and who's fucking fault is that?

 

Who put all their eggs on the new tech basket and rushed a release relying on the infamously and notoriously unreliable game devs?

 

Hint: They like the color green.

So, do you think developers include those features without any GPUs that support them?

GPUs have to be first.

 

You don't have to like it. Early adopter will pay for your future graphical improvements, so you can hate on it and get it in a few years anyways. You are welcome.

[D13H4RD]

3 hours ago, TahoeDust said:

Haha...Thank!  One of few it appears.  

Yeah honestly, at this point in time, the only GPU that has significant gains over Pascal is the 2080 Ti

 

The 2080 doesn’t seem to be that much better than a 1080 Ti for more money. At worst, it’s actually weaker. 

[Tech Enthusiast]

If we get another "vega like" here, a 2080ti is a pretty badly priced upgrade. But an upgrade nonetheless.

 

If they deliver on the promises, we get a tremendous uplift in performance with DLSS and better-looking graphics with RT.

Right now it feels like the Vega launch, just with better performance (god and still lower watts than Vega lol).

 

So worst case: Expensive Upgrade.

Best case: Amazing sleeper like gem.

 

Since it is NVidia I actually do see a chance that this may turn into the gem they promise. But I am not gonna hold my breath for it to happen. Apart from the DLSS Part, it already is happening. :-)

[Taf the Ghost]

3 hours ago, TahoeDust said:

I ordered a EVGA 2080ti FTW3.  She's thicc.

 

 

Appears there is some room for OC'ing it further. ~35% improvement should be doable, which, as you mentioned with widescreen 1440p, will really help.

[Taf the Ghost]

6 minutes ago, Tech Enthusiast said:

If we get another "vega like" here, a 2080ti is a pretty badly priced upgrade. But an upgrade nonetheless.

 

If they deliver on the promises, we get a tremendous uplift in performance with DLSS and better-looking graphics with RT.

Right now it feels like the Vega launch, just with better performance (god and still lower watts than Vega lol).

 

So worst case: Expensive Upgrade.

Best case: Amazing sleeper like gem.

 

Since it is NVidia I actually do see a chance that this may turn into the gem they promise. But I am not gonna hold my breath for it to happen. Apart from the DLSS Part, it already is happening. :-)

Well, when the Vega FE launched, the drivers were pretty bad. When RX Vega launched, the drivers were what they were & it was just the cards. Though RX Vega wasn't over priced; you could just never get it *at* that price. The 2080 Ti is a Titan with a gaming badge. It's ~35% faster than a 650USD card for 1200USD, though in an irony that shouldn't be lost, the 2080 Ti uses about as much power as the RX Vega 64. (Some have it slightly higher, so it depends on the game.)  Obviously, the 2080 Ti is massively more powerful, but, still, it's a hot & hungry card that's a bad value proposition at the price.

[Pawn]

Apple and NVIDIA must be in the same room when they were discussing about their products and pricing

[WMGroomAK]

8 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Obviously, the 2080 Ti is massively more powerful, but, still, it's a hot & hungry card that's a bad value proposition at the price.

Not sure if you have it up, but GN is currently livestreaming their OC attempt for the 2080Ti.  Should be interesting to watch...

 

 

[pas008]

15 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Well, when the Vega FE launched, the drivers were pretty bad. When RX Vega launched, the drivers were what they were & it was just the cards. Though RX Vega wasn't over priced; you could just never get it *at* that price. The 2080 Ti is a Titan with a gaming badge. It's ~35% faster than a 650USD card for 1200USD, though in an irony that shouldn't be lost, the 2080 Ti uses about as much power as the RX Vega 64. (Some have it slightly higher, so it depends on the game.)  Obviously, the 2080 Ti is massively more powerful, but, still, it's a hot & hungry card that's a bad value proposition at the price.

 What if these drivers and dlss are held back to make 1080ti and Pascal stock look good to offload the remains at near full price

Speculation only

 

And on to rt whining

You kinda need cards before things can release things using it?

 

And having best of best have price premium just like titans when released

 

[Tech Enthusiast]

13 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Well, when the Vega FE launched, the drivers were pretty bad. When RX Vega launched, the drivers were what they were & it was just the cards. Though RX Vega wasn't over priced; you could just never get it *at* that price. The 2080 Ti is a Titan with a gaming badge. It's ~35% faster than a 650USD card for 1200USD, though in an irony that shouldn't be lost, the 2080 Ti uses about as much power as the RX Vega 64. (Some have it slightly higher, so it depends on the game.)  Obviously, the 2080 Ti is massively more powerful, but, still, it's a hot & hungry card that's a bad value proposition at the price.

I was aiming at the infamous Vega Patch that will fix everything and make it great again.

It is the same for Nvidia, just not as a driver, but down to developer implementations. 

 

If we get them, it seriously changes the value. Right now it is the best performer for a premium price (expecting a flagship to be the same P/L than a midrange card is kinda silly tho. but people seem to expect it anyway). But with that added stuff, especially DLSS, the performance will skyrocket. The few DLSS benchmarks around are very promising.

[Phentos]

If Cyberpunk 2077 releases with RTX and/or DLSS support baked in and 7nm cards are still a long way off, then I'll make it rain for a non-FE 2080TI. Preferably EVGA or ASUS. 

 

If not then I'm waiting until 7nm Turing refresh or new uArch. Spending enough money as it is on a new build soon.

[TahoeDust]

14 minutes ago, Phentos said:

If Cyberpunk 2077 releases with RTX and/or DLSS support baked in and 7nm cards are still a long way off, then I'll make it rain for a non-FE 2080TI. Preferably EVGA or ASUS. 

 

If not then I'm waiting until 7nm Turing refresh or new uArch. Spending enough money as it is on a new build soon.

Haev you seen this screencap?...

 

 

The Devs were bombarded with questions via twitter when people saw it and they would not confirm or deny.

 

https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1031654015266942976

 

https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1032153115217289216

 

 

[Phentos]

Just now, TahoeDust said:

Haev you seen this screencap?...

 

 

The Devs were bombarded with questions via twitter when people saw it and they would not confirm or deny.

 

https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1031654015266942976

 

https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1032153115217289216

 

 

I've seen that screenshot a few times but until it's explicitly confirmed by CDPR it's fake to me.

[Lathlaer]

2 minutes ago, TahoeDust said:

The Devs were bombarded with questions via twitter when people saw it and they would not confirm or deny.

AFAIK Marcin Momot said it's a fake.

[Lathlaer]

https://twitter.com/Marcin360/status/1034381751668420608

 

Translation: "Someone forgot to change the logo to a new one. It's not a screen from our game".

[Misanthrope]

2 hours ago, Tech Enthusiast said:

So, do you think developers include those features without any GPUs that support them?

GPUs have to be first.

 

Quote

When your whole life flashes before your eyes, how much of it do you want to not have ray tracing?

 

[D13H4RD]

5 hours ago, pas008 said:

 And on to rt whining

You kinda need cards before things can release things using it?

I don't think that's the problem. 

 

It's moreso how the card was released to reviewers but its core headline feature wouldn't be ready until October, meaning that most reviews would be incomplete 

[pas008]

1 minute ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

I don't think that's the problem. 

 

It's moreso how the card was released to reviewers but its core headline feature wouldn't be ready until October, meaning that most reviews would be incomplete 

i agree but nvidia shouldnt sit on a product because of api and game devs cant get with it

7nm is around the corner

would you want to sit on product with amd 7nm around the corner and you want to move to 7nm yourself?

[D13H4RD]

26 minutes ago, pas008 said:

would you want to sit on product with amd 7nm around the corner and you want to move to 7nm yourself?

I don't think AMD would be coming out with new 7nm GPUs that soon. 

 

Rumor has it that Navi is more of an RX 580 successor, meaning that it's going to be a mainstream level GPU and not necessarily targeting the high end. That's still quite some time away. 

[Zandvliet]

Does anyone has an idea on how much the performance of the 1080(ti) improved the first couple of months after release due to driver updates etc?

 

I was thinking of getting the 2080, but I'll probably wait a 1-2 months to see where it goes. (upgrading from a 970)

[djgene30]

and so i stick with my 1080 Ti  good thing i never pre-order hardware