Intel Roadmap Leaks: 9th Gen Sept, New, 28 core A-Series

[Taf the Ghost]

From two sources, this time:

 

WCCFTech: Exclusive: Intel’s Desktop Roadmap 2018 to 2019

 

VideoCardz.net: Intel Core i9-9900K launches in Q3 2018 after all

 

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The first thing you will notice is that Intel has divided its consumer processors into four distinct categories: A, X, S and N. The highest end segment is now the ‘A-Series’ processors’ category, followed by ‘X-Series’ processors, ‘S-Series’ processors and ‘N-Series’ processors. X, S, and N is something we are already intimately familiar with so the major takeaway here is that the company is rolling out its 28-core part in a brand new market segment. This also naturally means that we are looking at a different chipset and socket.

 

Pretty straight forward.

 

Coffee Lake-S Refresh is in September. "Refresh" of X299 is in Oct/Nov, followed by the new A series Processors.

 

My Thoughts:

 

I really am amazed that Intel is bringing out the Xeon Platinum SKUs to the "High-end Desktop". But, what I'm excited for is the first person to delid what is clearly going to be a >4000USD A-series CPU. The Compensator clearly has a new CPU to work with later in the year.

[Lawliet93]

The first sentence in the roadmap literally says that intel is going to start manufacturing those 8c/16t CPUs at the end of Q3... Not that they are going to release them. 

[Taf the Ghost]

2 minutes ago, Lawliet93 said:

The first sentence in the roadmap literally says that intel is going to start manufacturing those 8c/16t CPUs at the end of Q3... Not that they are going to release them. 

Never said it wasn't going to be a soft, paper launch. But we're going to get launch announcements.

[Lawliet93]

9 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Never said it wasn't going to be a soft, paper launch. But we're going to get launch announcements.

Nah, the next slide actually talks about nda and stuff and the one for the  coffee lake family lifts on October, so Q4 release with limited availability 

 

https://www.cnews.cz/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/intel-roadmapa-procesory-cervenec-2018-hkepc-01.png

[The Benjamins]

can't wait to see the 28c vs 32c benchmarks come out.

[Taf the Ghost]

10 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

can't wait to see the 28c vs 32c benchmarks come out.

It'll be interesting. Both are going to be somewhat Memory bandwidth constrained, plus those Skylake-X cores on 14nm+ are going to be toasty. A lot more OC headroom on the A series, though, so if you toss a Chiller at it....

[hobobobo]

glaciers keep receding further and further away... i think we are seeing direct evidence of global warming affecting business world

[bcredeur97]

lol intel is in such a mess rn. it's almost funny. 

I want to see the little guy become sizable again tho. would be satisfying. 

[Guest]

Thank you Intel, very cool.

[Brooksie359]

I wonder how much the 28 core is going to be. I kinda doubt it will be priced anywhere near the 32 threadripper cpu. 

[JoeCoke]

These 28c CPUs likely won't hit good clock speeds. In the high core count, AMD will actually have a clock speed advantage. So more cores, higher clock speeds and most likely cheaper, GG AMD, too bad people will still buy Intel because mindshare.

[MMKing]

2 hours ago, The Benjamins said:

can't wait to see the 28c vs 32c benchmarks come out.

I agree it will be interesting to see, but i don't see how Intel intends to compete.

 

Intel Xeon 8176 - https://ark.intel.com/products/120508/Intel-Xeon-Platinum-8176-Processor-38_5M-Cache-2_10-GHz

Clocked at 2.1 GHZ across all cores at 165W for 8720USD MSRP

 

Intel Xeon 8180 - https://ark.intel.com/products/120496/Intel-Xeon-Platinum-8180-Processor-38_5M-Cache-2_50-GHz

2.5GHZ across all cores at 205W for 10 000USD MSRP

 

Now lets be clear, 2.1GHZ and 2.5GHZ for the 8176 and the 8180 is what Intel guarantees. However, going from 2.1GHZ to 2.5GHZ, a 19% increase in clock speed, the TDP increases by 24%. How does Intel intend to approach 3GHZ? 3.5GHZ? Remember, we are not pitting a 32 core CPU against a 28 core CPU to test single thread performance. There is no magic turbo going on, where you clock down all but 1-4 cores. To increase all core performance, all the cores has to boost.

 

Further more, because this is a monolithic die, there is no way to bin such a huge chip for sales. The 8086K hit market about 8 months after the 8700K, clocked only 300mhz over the 8700k. The binned version will not be the higher clocked one, the 28 core is the binned version. If Intel could offer their customers a 3GHZ 28 core for even more money than the 10 000USD 2.5GHZ chip, they would. The Intel marketing department can get their hands on a 5GHZ chip cooled with a 750W phase cooler, you can't, not even their most valued server partners can.

 

I'm not even gonna talk about the price. But even at 1/5 the current MSRP, it's very expensive.

[Speed Weed]

Dam, we are about get into Intel 9th gen CPU. Meanwhite, I am still using 4th gen CPU. Good future proof I guess. 

[The Benjamins]

3 minutes ago, MMKing said:

I agree it will be interesting to see, but i don't see how Intel intends to compete.

 

Intel Xeon 8176 - https://ark.intel.com/products/120508/Intel-Xeon-Platinum-8176-Processor-38_5M-Cache-2_10-GHz

Clocked at 2.1 GHZ across all cores at 165W for 8720USD MSRP

 

Intel Xeon 8180 - https://ark.intel.com/products/120496/Intel-Xeon-Platinum-8180-Processor-38_5M-Cache-2_50-GHz

2.5GHZ across all cores at 205W for 10 000USD MSRP

 

Now lets be clear, 2.1GHZ and 2.5GHZ for the 8176 and the 8180 is what Intel guarantees. However, going from 2.1GHZ to 2.5GHZ, a 19% increase in clock speed, the TDP increases by 24%. How does Intel intend to approach 3GHZ? 3.5GHZ? Remember, we are not pitting a 32 core CPU against a 28 core CPU to test single thread performance. There is no magic turbo going on, where you clock down all but 1-4 cores. To increase all core performance, all the cores has to boost.

 

Further more, because this is a monolithic die, there is no way to bin such a huge chip for sales. The 8086K hit market about 8 months after the 8700K, clocked only 300mhz over the 8700k. The Intel marketing department can get their hands on a 5GHZ chip cooled with a 750W phase cooler, you can't.

 

I'm not even gonna talk about the price. But even at 1/5 the current MSRP, it's very expensive.

It was a 1000w+ phase cooler. Even though TR will have more cores I think it will be able to clock higher (all core)

[MMKing]

4 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

It was a 1000w+ phase cooler. Even though TR will have more cores I think it will be able to clock higher (all core)

Is it? I could have sworn it was rated at 1 horsepower, which is 745W to be exact.

 

I did some research, none of Hailea's water chillers are rated at 1KW. They sell a 1HP chiller which is 745W, then the next one in the product line is a 2HP chiller which is 1490W.

[The Benjamins]

12 minutes ago, MMKing said:

Is it? I could have sworn it was rated at 1 horsepower, which is 745W to be exact.

 

I did some research, none of Hailea's water chillers are rated at 1KW. They sell a 1HP chiller which is 745W, then the next one in the product line is a 2HP chiller which is 1490W.

on PPC the 1/2 HP is stated to have a 790w cooling capacity http://www.performance-pcs.com/hot-hailea-hc-500a-110v-1-2hp-790watt-cooling-capacity-waterchiller.html

That is what I was going by, idk how that measured.

 

The 1HP is how much power is consumes not how much it can cool, as far as i can tell.

[MMKing]

@The Benjamins

Here it is. 1 Horsepower = 745W

Spoiler

 

http://www.hailea.com/e-hailea/product1/HC-1000B.htm

 

To be honest, i thought all of this was a marketing ploy these last couple months since Intel revealed the damn thing. Releasing a consumer version Q4 2018 puts it out to the consumer market 12-15 months after the server market. In that time, the cost would have to hit 20% of what it was, and clock speeds would have to increase by 30-40%.

[ravenshrike]

5 minutes ago, MMKing said:

@The Benjamins

Here it is. 1 Horsepower = 745W

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http://www.hailea.com/e-hailea/product1/HC-1000B.htm

The had a chiller meant for a minimum of 300 liters connected to the computer. That's hilarious. 

[MMKing]

For the record, this is the Intel OEM cooler for the LGA3647 Xeon product line, it's rated at 280W.

Intel TS300C

[DanielMDA]

1 hour ago, MMKing said:

For the record, this is the Intel OEM cooler for the LGA3647 Xeon product line, it's rated at 280W.

Intel TS300C

That Xeon Cooler looks cheap AF, how much does it cost?

[Bananasplit_00]

5 hours ago, DaPhuc said:

Dam, we are about get into Intel 9th gen CPU. Meanwhite, I am still using 4th gen CPU. Good future proof I guess. 

There is just so little reason to even move from 4th gen, the I7 4790K is really not that far off the newer I7s and really closes in when we get to 5GHz. 

 

Core for core at the same clocks, 4ty gen is only a little bit behind, and then it clocks just as high as Skylake, Kabylake and Coffeelake. 

[LAwLz]

5 hours ago, 2Buck said:

These 28c CPUs likely won't hit good clock speeds. In the high core count, AMD will actually have a clock speed advantage. So more cores, higher clock speeds and most likely cheaper, GG AMD, too bad people will still buy Intel because mindshare.

Maybe we should wait for the processors to get released before making our minds up about which one is the best and saying Intel only sells processors because of ignorance?

 

I mean, it is easy to say AMD is the better choice if you make the assumption that:

AMD processors will have higher clock speed.

That AMD processors will be cheaper.

That the IPC will be the same.

 

But that's just assumptions which might be completely wrong.

I mean seriously, the processors haven't even been announced and you're already saying AMD is better. 

[samcool55]

Well at least we can be quite sure those aren't going to run at 5Ghz (maybe 1 core, but not all of them) in the average enthousiast build. Watercooling won't be enough.

I think it will come down to how good/easy they can be cooled.

[jagdtigger]

1 hour ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

Core for core at the same clocks, 4ty gen is only a little bit behind

The 4th gen needs to be 300 MHz above the 7th gen to match  its  performance. And since 8th gen is just a refresh with negligible improvements i would bet its the same for that line-up too.

[mr moose]

Intel are so shit, they must be shit becasue WCCFTECH published a picture of a roadmap that said Intel 28 cores something something something.  That's all the proof I need to know they are shit and it's going to be shit with shit clocks because shit processors are pushed out fast in a knee jerk to match AMD ( may god bless their omnipotence ).    Did I mention Intel were shit? 

 

 

 

Did I forget anything? 

 

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