Toshiba is about to lose their NAND Division.

[NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle]

So Toshiba is selling their NAND flash division. So I guess we're in for some price increases in the future. Fantastic. /s

I know I know no one cares right now since the Iphone double donut has been officially revealed and everyone is selling one of their kidneys to just buy one, but soon you'll need to sell the other one as well.

 

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Toshiba is selling their crown jewel, the NAND flash division. The sale iinvolves 18 Billion and is sold to a consortium in which Western Digital (who last year acquired Sandisk as well) has a large stake. The consortium and Toshiba aim to announce a deal on Wednesday or Thursday.

As reported at Reuters; A deal would mark an end to months of uncertainty for Toshiba, which is scrambling to sell its flash memory unit - the world’s No. 2 producer of NAND chips - to cover billions in losses at its bankrupt U.S. nuclear business Westinghouse. It would also be a remarkable victory for Western Digital, Toshiba’s joint venture partner for its chip business, after relations with the Japanese firm frayed to point where other bidders were chosen first and the U.S. firm initiated legal action that threatened to derail any deal. Western Digital, Toshiba and a state-backed fund, the Innovation Network of Japan, which is a member of the consortium declined to comment. While Western Digital is very much in the driver’s seat in talks, it has made several key concessions to secure a deal that Toshiba is willing to accept and that will keep the unit out of the hands of rival chip firms, sources have said.

Other members of group, which is offering 1.9 trillion yen ($17.4 billion), will include the Innovation Network Corp of Japan and the Development Bank of Japan as well as KKR, with each putting up 300 billion yen, they said. Japanese banks and companies will also provide financing. It remains to be seen if a deal will be concluded and announced by Thursday, but the likelihood is incredibly high.

 

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http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/toshiba-sells-nand-divison-to-consortium.html

 

 

 

 

 

[Bouzoo]

To lose != about to sell.

 

Huge difference between the two. Also they've been trying to sell it for months now, been covered here few times. This should not come as a surprise. 

[dizmo]

You seem to have misread that article. They're selling it, not losing it, and this isn't new news.

I also don't see why you think this will mean an increase in NAND costs. It's not like their production drops off entirely, it's just picked up by another company.

[NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle]

1 hour ago, Bouzoo said:

To lose != about to sell.

 

Huge difference between the two. Also they've been trying to sell it for months now, been covered here few times. This should not come as a surprise. 

First of all I just wanted to name the thread differently, and secondly it's not a huge difference at all. By definition it's the same.

[themctipers]

Just now, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said:

First of all I just wanted to name the thread differently, and secondly it's not a huge difference at all. By definition it's the same.

'ah shit im selling everything'

'ah shit im losing everything'

 

technically right yet incorrect. 

[mr moose]

It may not change the price at all,  I'm hoping this might even see SSD's drop in price as WD can leverage that resource for bigger and better.

[NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle]

15 minutes ago, themctipers said:

'ah shit im selling everything'

'ah shit im losing everything'

 

technically right yet incorrect. 

Nope.

By definition the word lose means something that was yours is no longer yours. Whether because you physically don't know its location, or you gave it away, or someone stole it from you, or even you selling it.

Something that was originally yours, is not anymore yours.

 

So the title is correct, whether you agree or not.

Toshiba is about to lose their NAND division.

[Mr.Meerkat]

No matter what, Toshiba's Nand division being acquired by WD/Sandisk can only mean one thing, Samsung will no longer be the only company with a 30%+ market share  

[PlayStation 2]

Toshiba "losing" their NAND division would imply that some sort of legal action forced them to give up that part of the company.

Toshiba "selling" their NAND division would imply simply that: them selling it.

[AshleyAshes]

1 hour ago, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said:

First of all I just wanted to name the thread differently, and secondly it's not a huge difference at all. By definition it's the same.

Yeah... Just like if your parents told you 'We are losing the house'... It's BASICALLY the same thing, right?

[DocSwag]

2 hours ago, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said:

First of all I just wanted to name the thread differently, and secondly it's not a huge difference at all. By definition it's the same.

It gives an EXTREMELY different impression. And no, technically the definitions aren't the same.

 

While it is true that TECHNICALLY lose is correct, lose could both imply the correct meaning as well as the incorrect meaning. Since lose means to be deprived of, this means that Toshiba could be "losing" their NAND flash business in return for some money or perhaps they're just "losing" it with no return at all. So your definition is extremely vague. 

 

Plus, if I told you I was about to lose my 6700k would you seriously think that I was selling it? No, you would think I would be deprived of it without any return.

 

Sell is a subset of the world lose. Usually if we're talking about something that belongs in "sell" we use the word sell instead of the word lose because sell is more accurate and gives us a better idea of what is happening, and so we use lose for the other possible case which makes defining which is which a lot easier. I might go as far as to say the way you are using it makes it clickbait.

[lightningterror]

Please rename the topic. It's clickbait and misleading.

 

There is a difference between sell and lose.

[Bananasplit_00]

Well they are loosing it, and getting a fuck load of money in return. Given that we have known they have been trying to sell their NAND production for ages it was understandable for me at least, but selling would be clearer in what's actually happening here. 

 

Well I'm a bit sad that they are getting rid of their NAND, the current WD SSDs aren't great so unless they step up in quality I'm not a fan of this, but they really need the money so they don't really have a choice, do they? 

[Jito463]

1 hour ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

the current WD SSDs aren't great

I've been quite pleased with my Sandisk SSD.  It seems like the subsidiaries that WD buys often put out a better quality product than WD themselves.  For example: HGST drives are the only thing I use anymore (for HDD storage), yet they're presently owned by WD, as well.

[leadeater]

10 hours ago, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said:

and secondly it's not a huge difference at all. By definition it's the same.

Not really, that's kinda like trying to say "give" and "take" mean the same thing, end result doesn't define what a word means. If you want to know what a word means use a dictionary definition not an inference of an end result, just saying .

 

Rather glad WD is buying it though, that's more good news to me than anything else.

[Doobeedoo]

I just can't wait for SSD prices to go down further. So I can get 1TB SSD and I aim more to something like Samsung Pro series. Love the 256GB one. 

Samsung plans to bring SSDs closer to HDD prices by 2020 so like half the price of current ones. 

[SurvivorNVL]

Wonder if that means no more OCZ?

[SpaceGhostC2C]

On 9/13/2017 at 1:27 AM, DocSwag said:

 

While it is true that TECHNICALLY lose is correct

No, it's not:

 

- to sell

 

- to lose

 

- Toulouse

 

OP, you can just accept it's wrong instead of inventing your own language

 

On 9/12/2017 at 11:12 PM, mr moose said:

It may not change the price at all,  I'm hoping this might even see SSD's drop in price as WD can leverage that resource for bigger and better.

Indeed, since it's changing hands, and not vanishing as the title suggests, the impact on the market will depend on what the new owners do with it. 

[FeralWombat]

Is it losing if you're getting something in return, and it's all intentional?

 

Also, I don't believe this will mean SSD prices are going up, Samsung is still top dog, with Toshiba+sandisk/wd marketshare combined, I'd say this actually generates some healthy competition.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/275886/market-share-held-by-leading-nand-flash-memory-manufacturers-worldwide/