Windows 10 Fall Creators Update has a release date

[PianoPlayer88Key]

I wish I could skip releases, like back in the old days.  For example, go from DOS 3.3 to Windows 95 to Windows XP to Windows 7 to Windows 10 Fall 2017 Update to whatever comes out in 2024 to whatever, or something like that.  Going from W10 first release to Fall 2015 to Spring 2016 to Fall 2016 to Spring 2017 to Fall 2017 - that's too-big updates too often, in my opinion.  Sure, keep up with the security fixes, but let me stay on the same general feature version for several years, unless I actually want a particular feature in a new version.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

9 minutes ago, tmcclelland455 said:

Enlighten me on this so called DX9 fix. I am intrigued.

 

Dev team in win 8 capped dx9 vram usage to 4GB since it would just shit itself

 

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In the Win8 timeframe, the rationalization was that it didn't make sense and 4GB should be a hard limit in D3D9 which was apparently the wrong answer, since at least some apps depended on more than that. Hopefully we get it right this time.

Took them 5 years to notice

 

[Delicieuxz]

6 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

I wish I could skip releases, like back in the old days.  For example, go from DOS 3.3 to Windows 95 to Windows XP to Windows 7 to Windows 10 Fall 2017 Update to whatever comes out in 2024 to whatever, or something like that.  Going from W10 first release to Fall 2015 to Spring 2016 to Fall 2016 to Spring 2017 to Fall 2017 - that's too-big updates too often, in my opinion.  Sure, keep up with the security fixes, but let me stay on the same general feature version for several years, unless I actually want a particular feature in a new version.

I wholeheartedly agree. There is major Windows 10 update fatigue, I think. And it seems like it's just updates for the sake of having updates - like, Microsoft just wants to be making noise and look like stuff's happening with it. But really, it's a lot of bloat, and the updates have a horrible record for making a mess of things. The long-term sustainability, predictability, and dependability of previous Windows versions is what's needed, and not these grab bags of b-grade features every half-year.

[PianoPlayer88Key]

3 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

I wholeheartedly agree. There is major Windows 10 update fatigue, I think. And it seems like it's just updates for the sake of having updates - like, Microsoft just wants to be making noise and look like stuff's happening with it. But really, it's a lot of bloat, and the updates have a horrible recording for making a mess of things. The long-term sustainability of previous Windows versions is what's needed, and not these grab bags of b-grade "features" every half-year.

YES!! and OH!! Another thing i thought of, that I absolutely HATE about Windows 10 - is needing to restart so often for updates.  I do have Windows 10 Pro, so I went in GPE and set it to notify me before downloading, but rarely can I go more than a month or so without closing my programs (not just hibernating) and restarting.

Other operating systems on some platforms, like Linux on NAS, etc - I've heard of them having uptime (without reboots) measured in YEARS, not days.  Why can't we have that in consumer Windows??  

[Trik'Stari]

Oh lord no.

 

I have things just the way I want them.

[AlTech]

22 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

So it mainly it brigs improvements to Photos....

 

Cool...? I guess? I actually deleted it from my system and has Windows Photo Viewer rocking back again lmao...

There's also stuff with Contacts and Mypeople

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

There's also stuff with Contacts and Mypeople

Never heard of those things

[flibberdipper]

13 minutes ago, Pohernori said:

 

Dev team in win 8 capped dx9 vram usage to 4GB since it would just shit itself

 

Took them 5 years to notice

 

Huh. I never noticed it since I have yet to run a DX9 title and hit anywhere near 2GB for that matter, but at least they're fixing it.

 

20 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Now you're going too far, every one is entitled to personal preferences, we paid for our systems ourselves and it is above all things extremely reliable software to achieve the goal we need, do moderate.

It would appear that you failed to see an incredibly critical point of my comment. Let me make it as painfully obvious as I can now.

 

22 minutes ago, tmcclelland455 said:

I don't see how people dislike it. Makes Fax & Photo Viewer look like a pile of steaming dog shit IMO.

Now for those of us who aren't aware, IMO means In My Opinion, and that would indicate that my statement was my opinion. At least that's what normal logic would dictate.

[MoonlightSylv]

So when is that "Project Neon" thing coming out because that's all I care about.

[BachChain]

10 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

YES!! and OH!! Another thing i thought of, that I absolutely HATE about Windows 10 - is needing to restart so often for updates.  I do have Windows 10 Pro, so I went in GPE and set it to notify me before downloading, but rarely can I go more than a month or so without closing my programs (not just hibernating) and restarting.

Other operating systems on some platforms, like Linux on NAS, etc - I've heard of them having uptime (without reboots) measured in YEARS, not days.  Why can't we have that in consumer Windows??  

Because the amount of support tickets that they've received caused by unpatched systems is a much bigger issue than the complaints they get from people trying to run 99.9%+ up-time on consumer versions.

[Master Disaster]

I've been running it for months now (Windows Insider) and while it hasn't broken anything (that I've noticed) it is aesthetically and functionally identical to the RS Update. The only major difference I've noticed is OneDrive now stores your Documents folder online by default.

 

I'd like to give props to HP though, they found a way to solve the forced updates issue. My dad bought himself a Stream X360 a few days ago (he needs it literally for Facebook and Email), the thing has 32GB eMMC and it came OOB with 600MB of free space. Windows is screaming at him because it's trying to farce the RS1 update but doesn't have the space to download it.

[Fetzie]

5 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

?

 

Over 60% of all Windows 10 users are on the Creators Update.

How have you not been forced to update?

Normally it forces people to update.

 

5 hours ago, Jamiec1130 said:

I just installed this copy of Windows last week, and it hasn't forced any updates yet. It's just lost it's GPU driver twice and randomly wakes up, even from shut-down. But no forced updates. 

Windows 10 does not offer feature updates within the first 30 days of a fresh installation.

[suicidalfranco]

oh look, more bloat to powershrll-fu and command-fu out of my system

[captain_to_fire]

5 hours ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

I wish I could skip releases, like back in the old days.  For example, go from DOS 3.3 to Windows 95 to Windows XP to Windows 7 to Windows 10 Fall 2017 Update to whatever comes out in 2024 to whatever, or something like that.  Going from W10 first release to Fall 2015 to Spring 2016 to Fall 2016 to Spring 2017 to Fall 2017 - that's too-big updates too often, in my opinion.  Sure, keep up with the security fixes, but let me stay on the same general feature version for several years, unless I actually want a particular feature in a new version.

I'm still pissed that Microsoft took away in Windows 10 one of the most important features in Windows 8 which is postponing update installation for 48 hours. Microsoft fixed the most annoying part in Windows 8 but they think it's an essential feature so they brought back a problem that they fixed before. https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/b8/2011/11/14/minimizing-restarts-after-automatic-updating-in-windows-update/

 

4 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

Never heard of those things

Can Microsoft bring back Windows Photo Viewer instead? 

 

5 hours ago, Delicieuxz said:

I wholeheartedly agree. There is major Windows 10 update fatigue, I think. And it seems like it's just updates for the sake of having updates - like, Microsoft just wants to be making noise and look like stuff's happening with it. But really, it's a lot of bloat, and the updates have a horrible record for making a mess of things. The long-term sustainability, predictability, and dependability of previous Windows versions is what's needed, and not these grab bags of b-grade features every half-year.

Windows 10 lately kinda reminds me during the days of Galaxy S3 to Galaxy S5 when Samsung is adding a bunch of half baked features that nobody uses in Touchwiz. 

[Bouzoo]

Will they get rid of all the bugs that I and many others are experiencing on edu versions? Seriously, I still have not DL Creators Update because it's unusable due to bugs. 

[yian88]

In other words morea bloatware that runs in the background as MS has us acostomed to. Luckly i use windows 7 and i dont have to worry.

Really my pc ran so bad with win 10, UWP stuff randomly breaking like calculator photoviewer, random performance spikes, too much bloat running in the back, its unnacceptable, having 8-16gb of ram doesn help, its the bad processing algorithms that ruin it, and the fucking telemetry on every click slowing down things ffs.

 

[Bananasplit_00]

8 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

?

 

Over 60% of all Windows 10 users are on the Creators Update.

How have you not been forced to update?

Normally it forces people to update.

you can hack appart the registery and compleatly turn off updates or just make it say "hey there is an update if you want to download and install it". 

[AlTech]

4 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

you can hack appart the registery and compleatly turn off updates or just make it say "hey there is an update if you want to download and install it". 

Yes but this makes you ineligible for support.

[AlTech]

1 hour ago, Bouzoo said:

Will they get rid of all the bugs that I and many others are experiencing on edu versions? Seriously, I still have not DL Creators Update because it's unusable due to bugs. 

Could you list a few bugs?

 

Btw, right now they're only fixing bugs.

[Bananasplit_00]

1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

Yes but this makes you ineligible for support.

yah but this was about being able to not download them or not, not if you can get official support or not. i honesly doubt most people tech savy enough to hack their regestry give a shit about that to be compleatly honest

[Bouzoo]

5 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Could you list a few bugs?

 

Btw, right now they're only fixing bugs.

I already did in a thread, here you go. I've seen a lot people on Reddit and Windows forum having the same problems. Funny but for some of them swapping edu license for pro completely solved it which is beyond stupid.

[AlTech]

Just now, Bouzoo said:

I already did in a thread, here you go. I've seen a lot people on Reddit and Windows forum having the same problems. Funny but for some of them swapping edu license for pro completely solved it which is beyond stupid.

You could check the patch notes for each Insider build since the Creators Update to see all the bugs fixed.....

 

I've never encountered the bugs you mentioned on my laptop but I've encountered it once on my desktop so I don't know what's going on.

[Delicieuxz]

29 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

you can hack appart the registery and compleatly turn off updates or just make it say "hey there is an update if you want to download and install it". 

There's no need to hack the registry to do that.You can use the Group Policy editor to set it to notify about updates without downloading them, or, you can disable Windows Update in Services to turn off Windows Update entirely.

 

 

24 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Yes but this makes you ineligible for support.

Disabling Windows Update doesn't impact support eligibility. Being on a version of Windows 10 that is no longer supported will, though. Version 1507 lost support in May 2017. Version 1703 will probably also receive at least 2 years of support.

 

 

On another topic, I wonder why "the last version of Windows" has an 'end of mainstream support date of October 13, 2020, on Microsoft's support lifecycle page:

 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet

 

Previously, people theorized those EOL dates to refer to just the current version of Windows 10. Yet, the EOL dates for mainstream and extended support haven't increased or changed with the releases of the AU, or the CU, and the lifecycle sheet currently shows the Windows 10 EOL dates to be for version 1703, which is the latest version that came out only this year.

 

It looks like Microsoft is giving Windows 10 a traditional shelf-life, and that there might be a new version of Windows (not Windows 10) released by 2020.

[Bouzoo]

Just now, AluminiumTech said:

You could check the patch notes for each Insider build since the Creators Update to see all the bugs fixed.....

 

I've never encountered the bugs you mentioned on my laptop but I've encountered it once on my desktop so I don't know what's going on.

Last time I downloaded Creators (3 weeks ago), all of the bugs were still present. Installed it on the tablet on purpose (Samsung XE700) and on my laptop (see below).

I honestly have no intention to upgrade until next big update. My biggest issue are not the bugs though, but the fact that MS hasn't fixed a single bug I mentioned, and they are still forcing the Creators update, albeit less then before. Last time it downloaded on my laptop with other updates even though I have blocked it with MS tool for hiding updates. They have released a security policy update for Creators in the meantime which might be the cause. I wouldn't be surprised honestly.

[Bananasplit_00]

1 minute ago, Delicieuxz said:

There's no need to hack the registry to do that.You can use the Group Policy editor to set it to notify about updates without downloading them, or, you can disable Windows Update in Services to turn off Windows Update entirely.

 

i did it the hack appart the redestry way, didnt know that you could do it another way and that video was probably not out when i did it