Intel Preparing Multiple Hexacore Coffee Lake CPUs

[iamdarkyoshi]

Finally AMD does something, so intel gets off their lazy asses

[VagabondWraith]

Canard PC Hardware says Coffee Lake will be compatible with Z270 and some Z170. Good news if true. 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/CPCHardware/status/886940741599145984

[Morgan MLGman]

Classic Intel screwing their customers over, has anyone heard about 6 Core mainstream i7s/i5s, i9s, overclockable i3s, modern Pentiums with HT, 18-core HEDT or 10-cores under 1000 USD from Intel before Ryzen launched or was about to? Yeah, me neither. F*ck their business practices and f*ck the fact that they intentionally slowed down the progress in the CPU market to milk more money out of people too.

 

Remember that Intel claimed "15% performance improvement" over Skylake when they announced Kaby Lake? A good one

 

19 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

Time to start thinking about dumping 67/7700K's on the Bay.  

That is precisely what Intel wants from its customers. And this is what people should realize instead of brainlessly jumping on the newer product "because it's newer" with little-to-no performance uplift generation to generation.

[Princess Luna]

All fine, I'm not upgrading my i7 7700 as for yet since it is perfectly capable of doing what I need it to do, but I'm very pleased 6 cores has finally become mainstream for the i7's, if any thing I'll grab the Canon Lake (or whatever name it is now) 10nm i7 9700, hopefully that base core frequency will be higher and the shrink will provide any meaningful IPC gain instead of more useless power efficiency gains.

 

Coffee Lake is what Kaby Lake should've been already so I personally will ignore it in favour for Ryzen and as I said wait to buy Intel again only when they hit 10nm.

[NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle]

1 hour ago, Billy_Mays said:

I wonder what the pricing is going to be

Well it's Intel so

 

 

 

[mynameisjuan]

11 minutes ago, iamdarkyoshi said:

Finally AMD does something, so intel gets off their lazy asses

So backing off on R&D to save money when the competition has literally not come close to competing in the past 10 years is lazy? Sound like normal business practice to me. 

[MyName13]

26 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

Canard PC Hardware says Coffee Lake will be compatible with Z270 and some Z170. Good news if true. 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/CPCHardware/status/886940741599145984

Shouldn't it be compatible with every lga 1151 chipset?What makes it exclusive only to z chipsets?

[VagabondWraith]

3 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

Shouldn't it be compatible with every lga 1151 chipset?What makes it exclusive only to z chipsets?

I'm not exactly sure. That's just what I've read. Some Z170/ all Z270 and new Z370 chipset.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

1 hour ago, tom_w141 said:

This the mainstream and Ryzen is here so no prepare for $250/$350 i5/i7. They could go mad with it but that would be very unwise.

Hard to know for sure, but my crystal ball agrees: I expect Intel to target the same price range they currently have in the mainstream platform, increasing specs instead. That is, they will offer the minimum they need in order to be able to charge 250-350 given the current lineup of the competition.

[WMGroomAK]

1 hour ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

I hope that they have better IPC than Kabylake

I would hope that as well...  I think the interesting question that I read over on OC3D's write up was whether they would stick with the Ring Bus Architecture for the mainstream or switch to the Mesh Architecture like they've done with the Skylake-X parts for the core interconnects.  Either way, we'll hopefully see more applications and games leveraging higher core/thread counts.

 

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/coffee_lake_info_leaks_-_a_six_core_i5/1

[SpaceGhostC2C]

1 hour ago, Misanthrope said:

Meh. Not sure why the continued insistence of still charging premium for hyperthreading: This would definitively make the 6/12 i7 lineup bad choices overall since you might as well jump to 8/16 on Ryzen for the prices.

 

Well, I can see their attachment to it since it worked so well in the past as a milking segmentation strategy (you won't have troubles finding people in this forum insisting HT makes a night and day difference...). Whether it's still an effective strategy is to be seen, but they are surely trying to find a compromise between addressing Ryzen's competition and retaining some ability to price-discriminate between consumer types. They still have the IPC advantage to play and avoid spec-for-spec comparisons with AMD.

 

[themctipers]

if this is real

 

 

shut up and take my money

^{why am i even thinking of a cpu upgrade, the most i do on my pc is spotify and terraria} 

[System Error Message]

multiple hexacore coffee lake

- imagines a lake of coffee shaped like it has 6 branches.

[Jito463]

33 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

So backing off on R&D to save money when the competition has literally not come close to competing in the past 10 years is lazy? Sound like normal business practice to me. 

Backing off on R&D is lazy, but still smart.  Continuing to charge premium prices for minor improvements - when they're not spending on R&D - is greedy, however.

[sgloux3470]

2 hours ago, Jito463 said:

I wonder what's going to happen to the i3 line?  Will they make them 4c/4t like the current i5's?  I can't see them being 3c/6t.  While possible (AMD has done tri-core before), it would just be odd.

They already nuked it with the Pentium G4560.

 

They will probably end up being 4c/4t.

[sgloux3470]

49 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

So backing off on R&D to save money when the competition has literally not come close to competing in the past 10 years is lazy? Sound like normal business practice to me. 

They didn't back off on R&D.

 

They just sold a worse product than they could have for a price more expensive than they probably should have.

 

And while it made good business sense, it has burned a bridge with many people.  No one trusts Intel to deliver value, and if their performance isn't a cut above then plenty of people will opt for AMD over them.

 

 

[Taf the Ghost]

1 hour ago, VagabondWraith said:

Canard PC Hardware says Coffee Lake will be compatible with Z270 and some Z170. Good news if true. 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/CPCHardware/status/886940741599145984

 

35 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

I'm not exactly sure. That's just what I've read. Some Z170/ all Z270 and new Z370 chipset.

Word was that Z370 (which launches with Coffee Lake) was going to bring with it incompatible CPUs to the Z270. Maybe they've found a way around that, but I'd still be surprised.  However, the mainstream 300-series platform isn't until around March 2018.

27 minutes ago, WMGroomAK said:

I would hope that as well...  I think the interesting question that I read over on OC3D's write up was whether they would stick with the Ring Bus Architecture for the mainstream or switch to the Mesh Architecture like they've done with the Skylake-X parts for the core interconnects.  Either way, we'll hopefully see more applications and games leveraging higher core/thread counts.

 

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/coffee_lake_info_leaks_-_a_six_core_i5/1

If Coffee Lake is on the Ring Bus, the 6c/12t 8700k will be the best gaming CPU on DX9 & DX11 for possibly 3-4 years.  That Ring Bus + Inclusive L3 Cache matter for what Nvidia does with their driver structure. The ability to peg a single core super hard is very important. Though it also matters that the Coffee Lake k SKUs can hit 5 Ghz.

[Taf the Ghost]

1 minute ago, sgloux3470 said:

They didn't back off on R&D.

 

They just sold a worse product than they could have for a price more expensive than they probably should have.

 

And while it made good business sense, it has burned a bridge with many people.  No one trusts Intel to deliver value, and if their performance isn't a cut above then plenty of people will opt for AMD over them.

 

 

"Intel Tax". Which is really annoying when they've got worse CPUs at the price bracket. Obviously not been true for a while, but they've maintained those price structures for decades.

[RotoCoreOne]

It'll be cool if the z170s work with coffeelake, but knowing intel if they could they wouldn't cause why not?

[Misanthrope]

41 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

 

Well, I can see their attachment to it since it worked so well in the past as a milking segmentation strategy (you won't have troubles finding people in this forum insisting HT makes a night and day difference...). Whether it's still an effective strategy is to be seen, but they are surely trying to find a compromise between addressing Ryzen's competition and retaining some ability to price-discriminate between consumer types. They still have the IPC advantage to play and avoid spec-for-spec comparisons with AMD.

 

For now they do have better IPC. But by bumping up the core count more devs will attempt to code for more threads and that would slowly but eventually make AMD even more competitive. 

 

Maybe that's why they'll increase but not by much. 

[sazrocks]

1 hour ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

 

They still have the IPC advantage to play and avoid spec-for-spec comparisons with AMD.

 

At least until zen+/zen2 or whatever they’re calling it. At that point intel will either have to increase i7s to 8 cores or significantly improve ipc.

[captain cactus]

3 hours ago, HKZeroFive said:

it could honestly give AMD a hard time.

Nope it won't.

 

Because Intel pricing, locking OC'ing to the K models AND a Z-xxx board driving up the price even more. Sure, it may outperform it in raw horsepower, but the perf/$ will be on AMD's side.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

45 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

For now they do have better IPC. But by bumping up the core count more devs will attempt to code for more threads and that would slowly but eventually make AMD even more competitive. 

 

Maybe that's why they'll increase but not by much. 

 

22 minutes ago, sazrocks said:

At least until zen+/zen2 or whatever they’re calling it. At that point intel will either have to increase i7s to 8 cores or significantly improve ipc.

 

Yep, that's what I'm saying: they'll play with whatever cards they have at each point in time. They know there are plenty of consumers willing to pay ~$350 for "top of the line" consumer CPUs, and ~$250 for "gaming sweetspot" CPUs, so it's a matter of what do they need to offer to get those consumers.

 

Naturally, the fewer advantages they have over AMD, the more they need to offer. If AMD continues to narrow the gap, expect more convergence in terms of features. If they come up with a Sandy Bridge level breakthrough, expect heavy feature rationing again  

[NumLock21]

3 hours ago, iamdarkyoshi said:

Finally AMD does something, so intel gets off their lazy asses

It was already known that CoffeeLake will have 6 cores way before AMD announced Ryzen

[The Benjamins]

1 hour ago, sazrocks said:

At least until zen+/zen2 or whatever they’re calling it. At that point intel will either have to increase i7s to 8 cores or significantly improve ipc.

zen2 has a high chance of being 6c per CCX making it up to 12c Mainstream, 24c HEDT, 48 Server

 

they already confirmed that the zen2 server part is going to be a 48c part. if it uses the same 4 die layout it would mean that a die would be 12c or 6c per CCX.

That is slated for 2018-2019

 

The other option is that the server CPU will be 6 dies and have 12 channel memory.