Intel Preparing Multiple Hexacore Coffee Lake CPUs

[sazrocks]

5 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

zen2 has a high chance of being 6c per CCX making it up to 12c Mainstream, 24c HEDT, 48 Server

 

they already confirmed that the zen2 server part is going to be a 48c part. if it uses the same 4 die layout it would mean that a die would be 12c or 6c per CCX.

That is slated for 2018-2019

 

The other option is that the server CPU will be 6 dies and have 12 channel memory. 

That combined with a nice clock/IPC bump... if I were intel right now I would be very worried.

[The Benjamins]

1 minute ago, sazrocks said:

That combined with a nice clock/IPC bump... if I were intel right now I would be very worried.

ya exactly, before zen2 zen+ will be on 14nm+ and we expect frequency improvements.

[MageTank]

9 minutes ago, sazrocks said:

That combined with a nice clock/IPC bump... if I were intel right now I would be very worried.

I'd trade an IPC and clock bump for a real memory controller this time around. I can't stand being unable to tame that latency x.x

[Gravesnear]

4 hours ago, tom_w141 said:

Called it! Ages ago I said the new i5/i7 would be 6c/6t and 6c/12t respectively. I knew this had to happen because i5s just aren't enough with 4c/4t

 

EDIT: My condolences to 7600k owners that Intel was able to milk you for $250 for 1 last year before being forced to end the quad core stagnation because of Ryzen.

You have a gift my friend!

[Sauron]

Way too late, should have had this 3 years ago. At this point to remain compelling they should face amd core per core, maybe at a slightly higher price but not a whole tier of products above.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

36 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

zen2 has a high chance of being 6c per CCX making it up to 12c Mainstream, 24c HEDT, 48 Server

 

they already confirmed that the zen2 server part is going to be a 48c part. if it uses the same 4 die layout it would mean that a die would be 12c or 6c per CCX.

That is slated for 2018-2019

 

The other option is that the server CPU will be 6 dies and have 12 channel memory. 

I have no clue what they'll do, but I find the second option more plausible: it would mean leveraging on their current modular design, while a 6-core CCX implies a nontrivial redesign of the die. I'd expect AMD to milk what they have to its limit int he near future, focusing R&D on a major breakthrough further down the road, when Zen becomes really dated.

Of course, my conjectures are as valid as reading tea leaves  

[tsk]

Intel said in May they would launch coffelake in August/September, however this might have been delayed by the X299 launch and the fact intel had to pull out the 14, 16 and 18 cores after AMD announced Threadripper.

[The Benjamins]

8 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

I have no clue what they'll do, but I find the second option more plausible: it would mean leveraging on their current modular design, while a 6-core CCX implies a nontrivial redesign of the die. I'd expect AMD to milk what they have to its limit int he near future, focusing R&D on a major breakthrough further down the road, when Zen becomes really dated.

Of course, my conjectures are as valid as reading tea leaves  

Ya I think the second option is neat but that becomes a lot of DIMs on a motherboard and would require a even bigger socket (6000 pins est.) but you would be getting 192 PCIe.

 

I feel 6c CCX is more likely due to using the same ish sockets and I feel like 12 channel ram is not needed.

 

who knows but I expect it to be one of those to options for the 48c zen2 server CPU.

 

They could then make zen2 HEDT 3 dies being 24c still and 6 channel RAM 96 PCIe (if they go with the more die option)

 

but also 6 dies would run into issues with core communication between dies are they going to mesh the interconnect or have it a ring. 4 dies just seem better to me.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

7 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

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Those are some good points. Now I'm less convinced of what's the obvious path  

[Clanscorpia]

1 hour ago, The Benjamins said:

zen2 has a high chance of being 6c per CCX making it up to 12c Mainstream, 24c HEDT, 48 Server

 

they already confirmed that the zen2 server part is going to be a 48c part. if it uses the same 4 die layout it would mean that a die would be 12c or 6c per CCX.

That is slated for 2018-2019

 

The other option is that the server CPU will be 6 dies and have 12 channel memory. 

If they do 12 core mainstream I think it might be similar to Piledriver; Ahead of its time. I think moving to 6 is great. Moving to 10/12 is too big of a jump

[MageTank]

26 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

Ya I think the second option is neat but that becomes a lot of DIMs on a motherboard and would require a even bigger socket (6000 pins est.) but you would be getting 192 PCIe.

 

I feel 6c CCX is more likely due to using the same ish sockets and I feel like 12 channel ram is not needed.

 

who knows but I expect it to be one of those to options for the 48c zen2 server CPU.

 

They could then make zen2 HEDT 3 dies being 24c still and 6 channel RAM 96 PCIe (if they go with the more die option)

 

but also 6 dies would run into issues with core communication between dies are they going to mesh the interconnect or have it a ring. 4 dies just seem better to me.

 

18 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Those are some good points. Now I'm less convinced of what's the obvious path  

We also have to keep in mind that as more channels are added, bandwidth efficiency gets worse, as does latency. AMD's latency is already abysmal with Ryzen, and even the best overclockers have failed to tame it, due to the lack of 2DPC and MR tertiary timings. If Zen2 is anything like Zen1 in the IMC department, more channels on the consumer platform would be a bad idea. That being said, EPYC is absolutely smashing FP workloads with that insane memory bandwidth. Latency has only impacted their INT performance slightly (being 5% behind Intel's 2xXeon 8176 with their 2xEPYC 7601). I would even settle for 50ns if possible, but with my best tweaks, 70ns is what I've been able to achieve.

 

To put that into perspective, my bandwidth is not only higher on my 7700k by about 10%, my latency is cut in half, at 35ns. Transactions that rely heavily on latency are certainly going to suffer.

 

As for the PCIe lanes, AMD has me super excited on that front. I mean, 60+4 is already huge, but to imagine more than that in the future? RIP expensive PLX boards.

[LooneyJuice]

Unless I know what glue they're using to stick the extra 2 cores on, I'm not biting.

 

 

/s obvz

[MageTank]

2 minutes ago, LooneyJuice said:

Unless I know what glue they're using to stick the extra 2 cores on, I'm not biting.

 

 

/s obvz

Gorilla glue, because their performance is banana's!

 

I'll be waiting for my check, AMD.

[VerticalDiscussions]

379€ or piss off.

 

Otherwise, Intel is nothing more than:

 

[LooneyJuice]

2 minutes ago, MageTank said:

Gorilla glue, because their performance is banana's!

 

I'll be waiting for my check, AMD.

[TetraSky]

Funny that Intel finally decided that somehow the consumers needed more than 4 cores, now that AMD is finally competing.

[Agosto]

No Z170 no party

 

[Okjoek]

What I want from Intel:

(short term)

Better TIM like how AMD has their soldered.

Better iGPU or they're going to be destroyed by Raven Ridge.

Better pricing

i3 quad core with actual efficiency improvements.

 

(long term)

Dump the i3,i5,i7,i9 naming lineup. It worked, you fooled AMD into adopting a completely stupid naming scheme. Atleast stuff like Pentium and Celeron sounds cool.

 

[ARikozuM]

1 hour ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Of course, my conjectures are as valid as reading tea leaves  

Better yet!

 

 

[MageTank]

4 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Better yet!

 

 

Deadly Premonition. This game was a trip, lol. 

[Okjoek]

33 minutes ago, VerticalDiscussions said:

379€ or piss off.

 

Otherwise, Intel is nothing more than:

 

*delidding Coffee Lake* And the big surprise is the fooking TIM is fooking goo!

 

[ARikozuM]

1 minute ago, MageTank said:

Deadly Premonition. This game was a trip, lol. 

Great game! Too bad the PC port was crap for Windows 7 and up... 

[ARikozuM]

Just now, Okjoek said:

*delidding Coffee Lake* And the big surprise is the fooking TIM is fooking goo!

I prefer horseradish sauce.

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/horseradish-cream-sauce-recipe-1942771

[Okjoek]

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

I prefer horseradish sauce.

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/horseradish-cream-sauce-recipe-1942771

I remember watching that episode of Mythbusters where Alton Brown cooked thanksgiving diner on the engine block of a car... Good times.

 

Ofcourse now you can cook thanksgiving on Skylake X.

[Not_Sean]

6 hours ago, nerdslayer1 said:

 

Its been two pages and this is still the most Relevant post