[Misleading] AMD market share up 10.4% in Q2 2017 [Updated]

[Belgarathian]

If this is true, they deserve every last %. While the Zen stack may not be the IPC king, the perf./$ cannot be ignored and it's thread count and SMT implimentation are fantastic. 

 

 

[JoeCoke]

4 hours ago, zMeul said:

the source is crackpot on methamphetamines

the actual source is a PassMark quarterly report based on users benchmark submissions 

 

want to see a more real representation of what's really out here? check STEAM's hardware survey http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/processormfg/

 

 

tada ...

Steam hardware survey? That's a really bad representation too... Wow.

[Brooksie359]

6 hours ago, revsilverspine said:

Data seems to come from CPU benchmark, so numbers might be a bit skewed. So far I've only seen 3 or 4 other sources which are using pretty much the same data. I'm waiting for a more trustworthy source to be honest

Yes but the previous years are too so it is still showing a 10% increase in the same data spruce. I mean a 10% in amd cpus in any demographic is still good. Yeah it is probably lower in the overall market but it is still a very good sign.

[leadeater]

5 hours ago, zMeul said:

the source is crackpot on methamphetamines

the actual source is a PassMark quarterly report based on users benchmark submissions 

 

want to see a more real representation of what's really out here? check STEAM's hardware survey http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/processormfg/

 

tada ...

Much more relevant than PassMark's figures but it suffers from similar issues, not counting systems without steam installed. Not a big deal now since almost all systems using Ryzen are custom builds but it'll become more of an issue later when OEM computers start selling to businesses and non gamers.

[Drak3]

3 hours ago, Jito463 said:

That also assumes that everyone who uses Steam does the survey.

Or that everyone has only one system. Wouldn't surprise me if younger steam users, with divorced parents, had 2 low to medium end systems. If they're new, they could possibly be Ryzen based because at the price point, Ryzen offers more.

Or, someone could have an HTPC with some indie games, and a rig set up for extreme gaming.

Personal laptop and work oriented desktop.

Etc. etc.

[TrigrH]

9 minutes ago, leadeater said:

not counting systems without steam installed.

+ the hwsurvey is opt in 

[mr moose]

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4085523-amd-gain-10-percent-market-share-quarter

 

Just leaving this here for those interested.

[Taf the Ghost]

I saw this linked on Reddit... a couple of days ago. First on Reddit, then it makes it to WCCFtech.  Lol.

 

As for the results, this is testing results from Passmark, so it's going to be a rough ballpark of the home-builder market along with a lot of mobile purchases as well. It is a sign that a bunch of people are buying AMD processors that will test them with Passmark.  It's not a bad sign for AMD, but it doesn't mean that's the new purchase market share.

 

As for the Steam Survey, that's an Install Base metric, so people playing games in the summer will shift up from the current install base.  Also, Intel's complete domination of the mobile space gives them a big chunk there.

 

Also, Windows 10 sits at 50.33% of the Steam Survey OS market. There's almost 50% of that survey that cannot run a Ryzen (or Kaby Lake) CPU anyway. Though the fact that the 4 core, 6 core and 8 core shares are all up is a sign that they are being purchased.  So, Ryzen is selling.

[Clanscorpia]

Its literally impossible to get an accurate representation unless we go by actual sales by manufacturers. Its 12:20 and I should be asleep but if someone wants to do that it would be sick

[You_are_a_cunt]

Updated post to reflect reality instead of the usual sensationalism.

Thanks @mr moose for the article debunking the "news"

[zMeul]

14 hours ago, leadeater said:

Much more relevant than PassMark's figures but it suffers from similar issues, not counting systems without steam installed. Not a big deal now since almost all systems using Ryzen are custom builds but it'll become more of an issue later when OEM computers start selling to businesses and non gamers.

PassMark report was based on less than a million benchmarks while I guarantee you there are a shit ton more users that submit the HW survey when STEAM asks

 

 

let's say that not all those 14mil users submitted the report and only 1/2 did - it's still 7 times bigger data pool

[tom_w141]

2 hours ago, zMeul said:

PassMark report was based on less than a million benchmarks while I guarantee you there a shit ton more users that submit the HW survey when STEAM asks

 

 

let's say that not all those 14mil users submitted the report and only 1/2 did - it's still 7 times bigger data pool

This has been debunked as a poor data source several people. Look at what @Taf the Ghost said about the number of people not on win10 so they can't even use Ryzen/Kaby Lake. Also its an opt in survey, I'm on Ryzen and I didn't opt in to Steam peering inside my PC. This is a pretty useless survey for judging this criteria. Lastly as I said that would indicate that AMD share has gone down since Ryzen, now I know its zMeul and you love to hate on AMD but I'm sure even you can see that Ryzen won't have had a negative impact on AMD's share.

[mr moose]

14 hours ago, revsilverspine said:

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Absolutely, 1-2% is very good work for a quarter.  and a very positive result given it's a CPU still in it's infancy and the market is saturated with low end oem pc's. 

[Taf the Ghost]

40 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Absolutely, 1-2% is very good work for a quarter.  and a very positive result given it's a CPU still in it's infancy and the market is saturated with low end oem pc's. 

Home PCs & Laptops are a replacement Market and have been for over a decade.  (Mobile is almost there.) So upgrades will be slow. Server markets aren't there yet, as there's so much movement to Cloud computing. So, for as cool as the Zen tech is and as good of CPUs as they turned out, the big shifts come during Zen 2 & the die shrink because it'll let AMD fill out an entire server ecosystem, along with momentum in both PC & Laptop space.

 

Still, even in the Steam Hardware survey, the fact that AMD has held 19-20% market share for a long time is still sort of surprising, especially as they're completely out of the Laptop space. Points to that Mid-level PC still being extremely important to the market.

[themctipers]

12 hours ago, Jito463 said:

That also assumes that everyone who uses Steam does the survey.  I wouldn't mind doing it if they only collected hardware data, but when they collect a list of every single program installed on my computer, that's too much.  I refuse to do them anymore, just because of that.

when steam asked me on july 1st, ... i had my 760 in, and i was about to swap it to my 1070 (had 760 because compatibility and bla bla bla)

[You_are_a_cunt]

3 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Home PCs & Laptops are a replacement Market and have been for over a decade.  (Mobile is almost there.) So upgrades will be slow. Server markets aren't there yet, as there's so much movement to Cloud computing. So, for as cool as the Zen tech is and as good of CPUs as they turned out, the big shifts come during Zen 2 & the die shrink because it'll let AMD fill out an entire server ecosystem, along with momentum in both PC & Laptop space.

 

Still, even in the Steam Hardware survey, the fact that AMD has held 19-20% market share for a long time is still sort of surprising, especially as they're completely out of the Laptop space. Points to that Mid-level PC still being extremely important to the market.

We run hardware surveys at work so we can figure out game night (can't exclude people for having underperforming machines) and most people go for AMD purely due to the price range. (Survey done on ~400 people)

FX6300 and FX8350 are the most frequent CPUs, followed by Intel's mobile SKUs (most of them being fairly old, first to third gen i-series) with a very small number of people having Haswell of newer CPUs and I'm currently the only Ryzen owner (and the only actual overclocker, but that's besides the point).

AMD's the default choice around here for cheap rigs, it seems.

[mr moose]

24 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Home PCs & Laptops are a replacement Market and have been for over a decade.  (Mobile is almost there.) So upgrades will be slow. Server markets aren't there yet, as there's so much movement to Cloud computing. So, for as cool as the Zen tech is and as good of CPUs as they turned out, the big shifts come during Zen 2 & the die shrink because it'll let AMD fill out an entire server ecosystem, along with momentum in both PC & Laptop space.

 

Still, even in the Steam Hardware survey, the fact that AMD has held 19-20% market share for a long time is still sort of surprising, especially as they're completely out of the Laptop space. Points to that Mid-level PC still being extremely important to the market.

The thing is that for most people there has been no need to upgrade.  A pc bought 5 years ago that is used primarily for word, facebook and email will still do that today.  Hence why the market is saturated in low end prebuilts.  This is why 1-2 % is a actually a very good result.  Even if it is napkin math.

[Taf the Ghost]

12 minutes ago, revsilverspine said:

We run hardware surveys at work so we can figure out game night (can't exclude people for having underperforming machines) and most people go for AMD purely due to the price range. (Survey done on ~400 people)

FX6300 and FX8350 are the most frequent CPUs, followed by Intel's mobile SKUs (most of them being fairly old, first to third gen i-series) with a very small number of people having Haswell of newer CPUs and I'm currently the only Ryzen owner (and the only actual overclocker, but that's besides the point).

AMD's the default choice around here for cheap rigs, it seems.

I can understand that. Due to personal upgrade cycles I've normally ended up with AMD CPU + Nvidia GPUs going back a very long time now. I don't game much these days (or, if I do, it's not really modern titles that need a lot of horse power), so I ended up with an FX6xxx CPU. Though that a lot to do with an unplanned upgrade need and a sweet deal on the CPU + Mobo. People forget the actual value of more cores + threads, even if the Dozer "cores" are comparatively strange. Even at 3 Floating Point cores, that's still better than 2 real cores when you're in a highly mix-use/non-maxed out world. (Also, unless you're looking at the FX95xx series, they're also not space heaters.)

 

I do have to wonder if Intel left AMD to still operate in the low-end market because to crush AMD completely in that segment would have ended the company and made Intel's life really problematic. Duopolies are weird situations for everyone.

[Taf the Ghost]

3 minutes ago, mr moose said:

The thing is that for most people there has been no need to upgrade.  A pc bought 5 years ago that is used primarily for word, facebook and email will still do that today.  Hence why the market is saturated in low end prebuilts.  This is why 1-2 % is a actually a very good result.  Even if it is napkin math.

I don't disagree, as PCs reached a saturation level of performance around 2002-2004 where all of the "Normal" tasks don't need any more power. (This is also why Mobile happened, as the power needed to perform those tasks got low enough to drive them on handheld.) Though some of the issues also come down to a fairly low amount of progress in the past decade.  Sandy Bridge happened, and we've been gliding up a little bit ever since. 

[Jito463]

3 hours ago, mr moose said:

The thing is that for most people there has been no need to upgrade.  A pc bought 5 years ago that is used primarily for word, facebook and email will still do that today.  Hence why the market is saturated in low end prebuilts.  This is why 1-2 % is a actually a very good result.  Even if it is napkin math.

Where I work, we sell refurbished systems in addition to doing custom builds.  There are a lot of 2nd & 3rd gen Core i5 / i7 systems that we still sell, because they're sufficient for your average user.  So, I suppose Intel's stagnation has been good for us, as it helps enable the refurb market.

[You_are_a_cunt]

1 hour ago, Jito463 said:

Where I work, we sell refurbished systems in addition to doing custom builds.  There are a lot of 2nd & 3rd gen Core i5 / i7 systems that we still sell, because they're sufficient for your average user.  So, I suppose Intel's stagnation has been good for us, as it helps enable the refurb market.

I get what you're saying and I agree, to a point.

I was researching prices for FX rigs, either parted out or whole and the prices are, well, ridiculously low. I literally can't even recover the cost of my 16 gigs of ram. FX6300s going for $30-40 (they're at least double new), motherboards going for less than half their price (keep in mind what I was going to sell isn't even 6 months old) and even ddr3 is getting cheap. Decided to just give my old gear to my parents instead of buying them a new NUC (old one plummeted on granite floor and died in the progress)

[DocSwag]

20 hours ago, zMeul said:

the source is crackpot on methamphetamines

the actual source is a PassMark quarterly report based on users benchmark submissions 

 

want to see a more real representation of what's really out here? check STEAM's hardware survey http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/processormfg/

 

 

tada ...

STEAM isn't accurate either as it only samples people that use it and who do the survey. What we really should be doing is waiting until legitimate research firms publish their numbers. Then we can start some flame wars  

[Doobeedoo]

It's doing good though. Definitely a good new starting ground, now just to keep up the momentum.

 

As far as Steam statistics, I mean, it's small % of users out there, not to mention Battle.net which haves more users lol And can't be that accurate, also just more than half currently use W10 x64 on Steam too so I doubt anyone using Ryzen will use older OS anyway.

[zMeul]

2 hours ago, DocSwag said:

STEAM isn't accurate either as it only samples people that use it and who do the survey. What we really should be doing is waiting until legitimate research firms publish their numbers. Then we can start some flame wars  

1. not a flame war
2. PassMark report is based on crumbs while STEAM has a hugely bigger user base; and even if only 1/2 of that user base submitted the survey it's still vastly larger than PassMark
3. to my knowledge, neither AMD nor Intel disclose actual CPU sales/shipments numbers - so, analysts have nothing to analyze 

[PlayStation 2]

If AMD only ended up with a ~1-2% gain in a month or so, that's still quite impressive considering that Ryzen hasn't seen much of anything in the realm of prebuilts.

 

Also, 13,000 posts. Hooray.