Raven's Cry Developer says "Anything above 30FPS does not matter for the gaming experience"

[MisterVRT]

Meh, so 2 V8s then, the point was still valid.

Not even close, please stop talking about cars.

[Shakaza]

Except he never claimed that.

Yes he said

"anything above 30 FPS does not matter for the gaming experience"

but that doesn't equal to "60 FPS does not provide a smoother gaming experience".

 

He even say it himself

"Once again - I did not say that 60 FPS is not better than 30 FPS - I only said that for an RPG 30 FPS on 4K is sufficient."

 

To me this is the toxic part of PC gaming that is putting words in his mouth by making assumptions. 30 FPS is perfectly fine for certain type of games and a RPG is one. That said, the game doesn't exclusively run at 30 fps either. So people are complaining for the sake of complaining here just because one dev, gave his PERSONAL opinion on the matter. Which quite frankly, I share as well. 60+fps is nice, but not an absolutely requirement like what some people on that steam thread seems to be preaching about.

To me, saying that "anything above 30 FPS does not matter for the gaming experience" means that it won't make a significant impact to one's enjoyment of the game or their ability to play it, and that leads to him meaning it doesn't make a difference, which is not an objective truth.

 

Where did he say that? I didn't see it in the news post, and it seems to be a direct retraction of his previous statements. But it is still flawed. What does "sufficient" mean? For something as subjective as this, it is practically impossible to draw a line in the sand and declare it "sufficient." Everyone's experience is going to be different.

 

Of course I have to make assumptions. I cannot take his meaning from his mind and project it directly into mine. I have to look at what he said and what those words mean to form my interpretation and hope it is in line with what he wants to convey. And who cares if the game doesn't run at exclusively 30 FPS? If people buy expensive hardware, they are well within their rights to expect a streamlined gaming experience with consistent performance. They have every right to complain to the author if it doesn't meet their expectations. In fact, these developers should take the criticism to heart and use it to improve, not only project their opinions on others as if they expect them to accept them without question. These things this developer said didn't even sound like opinions, but rather like ideals that he's trying to impose on others, and I do not like that.

[captain cactus]

If a dev says "anything above 30 fps is dumb" said dev is incapable of making a 60 fps title.

[Prysin]

In all games 60fps makes everything a lot smoother, ergo the experience is improved.

in some games it doesnt matter.

 

30FPS in a casual platform game vs 60FPS... not a huge deal

 

30FPS vs 60FPS in a First Person Shooter game - BIG DEAL (although, if you are good enough/used to dealing with the issues of lower FPS, 30FPS can be manageble. you'll just never be pro)

 

30FPS vs 60FPS in a RTS like say Total War.... who cares, its so zoomed out most of the time you wont notice much difference.

 

30FPS vs 60FPS in a racing game -> matters... especially if you have collision damage on, as bumping other cars due to ghosting can cost you the race.

[Shakaza]

Not even close, please stop talking about cars.

If you have an insult to throw, please have the respect to give your reasoning behind it. Bland statements like that prove nothing.

[JuztBe]

It doesn't matter if it's RPG, RTS or ant other game type where 30FPS is enough(ish). It's stupid that frame rate is locked on PC at all. 
People are buying 144Hz monitors to enjoy their games and devs are locking FPS to 30 because of their broken ports. This trend should stop.

[Masada02]

And now we understand why this game scored 27/100 on Metacritic.

 

 

If you have an insult to throw, please have the respect to give your reasoning behind it. Bland statements like that prove nothing.

He is right though. It isn't even close. The person he was replying to said it was 2 separate V12's (then corrected to V8's) which was completely false. It is a single block, with 16 cylinders in a W formation. And technically it's not a true W like a V8 is 2 banks of 4 cylinders arranged into a V, it's a staggered V where there are still 2 banks of cylinders in a normal V shape, but where the cylinders are not in a line but a W formation.

[Wauthar]

Raven's Cry, I remember that:

 

Still, if it were to run at more that 30 FPS, it's a crap game.

[Patrick Bateman]

he should go play with the console peasants

what a fucktard LOL

[Suika]

Oh look, a developer that can't make a game is admitting to the fact that they can't make a game.

 

If nobody has played or heard of the game... This is a great demonstration of what it's like.

 

[Nexxus]

Except the veyron is actually a 2 engine car. It's 2 V12 engines running side by side to create a W24 so yeah.

No..it isnt that at all

 

and as the other person said stop talking about cars you clearly haven't any idea what you are talking about

[Memories4K]

Oh look, a developer that can't make a game is admitting to the fact that they can't make a game.

 

If nobody has played or heard of the game... This is a great demonstration of what it's like.

 

God this game is such a great idea, i mean a REAL open-world pirate game would be so awesome.

But wow is this disappointing.

[MisterVRT]

If you have an insult to throw, please have the respect to give your reasoning behind it. Bland statements like that prove nothing.

 

Sorry if that sounded harsh, i guess it did.

 

This is beside the whole conversation, the W16 has staggered banks of pistons, in the same vein of VW/AUDI VR6 engines, a very narrow V angle on a single head. The Audi W12 is basically 2 VR6's heads in a V, single block with a single crankshaft. The W16 is the same idea but lengthened, so no, it is not two V8, whether they'd be side by side or end to end.

 

 

[Shakaza]

Sorry if that sounded harsh, i guess it did.

 

This is beside the whole conversation, the W16 has staggered banks of pistons, in the same vein of VW/AUDI VR6 engines, a very narrow V angle on a single head. The Audi W12 is basically 2 VR6's heads in a V, single block with a single crankshaft. The W16 is the same idea but lengthened, so no, it is not two V8, whether they'd be side by side or end to end.

 

 

-snippity-

All is forgiven.   (Sorry; I am far too concerned with people explaining their positions.)

[Nexxus]

Sorry if that sounded harsh, i guess it did.

 

This is beside the whole conversation, the W16 has staggered banks of pistons, in the same vein of VW/AUDI VR6 engines, a very narrow V angle on a single head. The Audi W12 is basically 2 VR6's heads in a V, single block with a single crankshaft. The W16 is the same idea but lengthened, so no, it is not two V8, whether they'd be side by side or end to end.

 

 

What he actually ment was that it wasnt 2 v8s side by side it was actually 2 v4s side by side and then end to end with 2 more v4s

[Chasem121]

To be fair, was he saying that playing that game at 30 fps is no different than 60 fps? Maybe I read it wrong but it didn't seem like he was saying 30 = 60 in all games. This smells of the typical PCMasterrace witch hunt

[Dabombinable]

in some games it doesnt matter.

 

30FPS in a casual platform game vs 60FPS... not a huge deal

 

30FPS vs 60FPS in a First Person Shooter game - BIG DEAL (although, if you are good enough/used to dealing with the issues of lower FPS, 30FPS can be manageble. you'll just never be pro)

 

30FPS vs 60FPS in a RTS like say Total War.... who cares, its so zoomed out most of the time you wont notice much difference.

 

30FPS vs 60FPS in a racing game -> matters... especially if you have collision damage on, as bumping other cars due to ghosting can cost you the race.

The gaming experience is improved no matter what you think. I've played most genre of games (except Japanese RPG) and 30fps while OK still is no where near as good as 60fps.

[suicidalfranco]

Raven's Cry, I remember that:

 

Still, if it were to run at more that 30 FPS, it's a crap game.

 

Oh look, a developer that can't make a game is admitting to the fact that they can't make a game.

 

If nobody has played or heard of the game... This is a great demonstration of what it's like.

 

this game is so bad it's good! could not stop laughing!

[WolfDeville]

k?

 

Why does this thread exist.... He is talking about their game specifically, not all games in general. And you know, he's right. SOME games are actually alright with 30fps but ofcourse that is subjective... Don't get me wrong, I can't even stand 60fps in most of the games I play, but there are some exceptions for games like L.A Noire, Force Unleashed 1&2 and even though the game was shit, Evil Within looked OK.

[Misanthrope]

To be fair, was he saying that playing that game at 30 fps is no different than 60 fps? Maybe I read it wrong but it didn't seem like he was saying 30 = 60 in all games. This smells of the typical PCMasterrace witch hunt

 

Any game with any fucking moving images benefits from 60 FPS or better, please go back to the OP with the kid jumping on the trampoline. This is not an exaggeration this is just devs being fucking lazy and incompetent.

 

Nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade.

[SImoHayha]

Its Cinematic guys right ?! RIGHT GUYS PLEASE STOP ITS CINEMATIC, CINEMATIC GODDAMMIT

[GoldSrc]

Another moron?

60FPS is objectively better and gives a more smooth gaming experience, it doesn't matter if it is a 2D sprite-based game.

If the game were limited by the hardware I could understand, but on PC there are no such limitations.

[Nowak]

Raven's Cry, I remember that:

 

Still, if it were to run at more that 30 FPS, it's a crap game.

 

I think my point still stands

[FakezZ]

With this grammar, I cannot take anything this guy/woman is saying seriously...

[Godlygamer23]

With this grammar, I cannot take anything this guy/woman is saying seriously...

Attacking someone's grammar is not a valid argument, especially since this person may not be a native English speaker.