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3d vcache of ryzen 7000 series are heating up resulting in internal components to heat and buldge. According to tomshardware multiple users have reported the issue in reddit. Initially it was reported on 7800X3D. Some reddit users are pointing to Asus motherboard as culprit.

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Numerous report of non 3D vcache is also poping up. Some pointing to soc and expo voltage issues. And is not just Asus.

For some manufacturers new bios. Which limit voltages is available 

 

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With new update from gamers Nexus and jays. Please stay away from Asus. A bios update that won't fix the issue but voids the warranty. Their products are consistently lowering the firmware quality, qc and warranty service. 

 

 

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 "The CPU pad is physically bulging," wrote Speedrookie, the owner of the burned-out processor. "I imagine there was just too much heat on the contacts causing the pad to expand. Not that the CPU has an internal component which exploded."

 

I thought modern cpus has in built protection and will prevent damage. I remember it being said in many of Linus videos. He has even run cpu without heatsink just to see if everything is detected. May be it is some design flaw in 7000X3D or flaw in motherboard power delivery. There was issues even for the 7950X3D that Linus recived from AMD. When it heats the motherboard usually sends low voltage 

 

i have few question if Asus has went down the drain which brand is the next choice? Is AMD 7000 series a reliable option? Their bad memory controller and stability issues with ram is what concerns me the most.

 

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Dang it 

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Saw this yesterday, its an ASUS problem. Some Russian guy had pretty Identical issues with the a similar ASUS board, nearly in the exact same spot. Unless other board partners also start to have issues with the contacts burning up like this, sounds like its more so a ASUS and a trace problem. 

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Luckily I waited for independent reviews, before deciding between the Ryzen 9 7900 [non-X] and the Ryzen  7800X3d 

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Could be the motherboard doing something to the CPU or its related to the 3D cache. Could be more complications with 3D cache for one of the downsides with buying "new tech" to other types of defects.

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I suspect the usual "motherboard AI super automatic overclocking you definitely agreed to when not checking all bios setting hidden 6 levels deep" to be culprit.

I went through a couple of settings, mostly Asus multi core enhancement and some power features stood out, begging to cause some trouble so they got deactivated.

Well, I shall see if mine blows up now 🤷‍♂️

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3 hours ago, jos said:

3d vcache of ryzen 7000 series are heating up resulting in internal components to heat and buldge. According to tomshardware multiple users have reported the issue in reddit. Initially it was reported on 7800X3D. Some reddit users are pointing to Asus motherboard as culprit.

 

I thought modern cpus has in built protection and will prevent damage. I remember it being said in many of Linus videos. He has even run cpu without heatsink just to see if everything is detected. May be it is some design flaw in 7000X3D or flaw in motherboard power delivery. There was issues even for the 7950X3D that Linus recived from AMD. When it heats the motherboard usually sends low voltage 

 

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This could have been caused by FOD and the excessive heating caused the substrate to bulge. I think it's unlikely the damage to the substrate is caused by excessive heating from the die.

 

However, der8auer did notice that it was possible to freely set the voltage for 3D V-cache processors on some boards (and easily kill the CPU). He also got a 7900X from a viewer which desoldered itself.

 

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That was my upgrade path! I had the great plan to go 2600x - 5800X3D - 7800X3D keepinga few generations behind everyone silly enough to early adopt.

Guess I'll have to wait a bit longer for 5800X3D users to trade up to 8000series

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Major post issues on the the ASUS AM5 Motherboards where memory training loops cause the system to hard lock and not post.

The only option is RMA if it gets really stuck. waiting for a replacement board, changed memory as well still does it. seems to be isolated to ASUS Boards from online forums.

I guess the ASUS problems keep coming..

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7 hours ago, Shimejii said:

Saw this yesterday, its an ASUS problem. Some Russian guy had pretty Identical issues with the a similar ASUS board, nearly in the exact same spot. Unless other board partners also start to have issues with the contacts burning up like this, sounds like its more so a ASUS and a trace problem. 

Im going to keep calling it: Asus sucks at AM5 right now, just like how MSI sucks at AM4 back in release. The amount of MSI B350s ive seen with burnt out MOSFETs...

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38 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

Looks like ASUS is removing old BIOS's from its site.

I like how they jump right to saying "hiding it" when they are more likely working in parallel or getting the BIOS update published first so they can put out release update about it. Typical internet heh. If it had been days and not literally seeing it change in real time then I'd be going down that thought path.

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1 hour ago, jos said:

There are many doubts on Asus thing. How they could produce fix within few hours. 

That presupposes they just became aware of the issue. In reality they've probably been getting RMAs over the issue for the past several months and hoped to fix the problem without anyone noticing. Standard corporate CYA mentality.

 

 

Addendum - I also seem to recall some bitching on these boards about how the x3D chips were limited in overclocking when the first came out. I believe this is a case of AMD being able to say I told you so. 

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10 hours ago, Senzelian said:

Every single time AMD releases a new product I'm like...

 

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...and a couple weeks after that...

 

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Didn't have any issues* with 2200G, 3600 or 5800x3D...

 

 

these new chips though,  too hot for my tastes, not sure about the intel situation but im not gonna upgrade for a few years anyway

 

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31 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

these new chips though,  too hot for my tastes, not sure about the intel situation but im not gonna upgrade for a few years anyway

Yeah I'm gonna stick to the 5800X that I have a little longer as well.

 

 

 

 

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Sucks, but yeah happened times before on older platforms and mobo brands. Just needs to be fixed and reported fast in general. Though yeah mobo having such auto-control to such degree to cause damage is something that needs to be rectified in general. Issue like this that fries CPU is insane, also I've seen same way mobo kill it self destroying VRMs with all that auto agressive crap.

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I guess it was too good to be true.

Sucks that AMD's first LGA consumer product is having so many issues.. Hopefully these get fixed up by next gen.

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Asus always pulls a bios tho would not say that's necessarily cos of bad bios, usually its cos its beta and they do not want them to download those.

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8 hours ago, TetraSky said:

I guess it was too good to be true.

Sucks that AMD's first LGA consumer product is having so many issues.. Hopefully these get fixed up by next gen.

So far, it seems to be an ASUS issue. If it were my guess, they rush released the BIOS for the X3D chip. At this stage in time, ASUS was also battling poor memory compatibility, and very slow boot times, hence the rush for adding X3D support. They were busy fixing all the other issues.

 

Today, ASUS memory support seems to have been greatly improved under the latest Beta BIOS. It's not 100% yet, but most seem that their problem have been resolved. The extreme slow boot time has also been resolved, but is still relatively slow compared to ASrock AM5 boards and Intel based system. ~12sec vs 5-7sec. 

 

So the issue now is that people needs to get the beta BIOS, which isn't really assuring for customers. I don't know if the issue of the X3D is solved with the latest Beta BIOS. I can only comment on memory support and boot time.

 

To me, clearly, in the recent years, ASUS has been cutting resources for it's BIOS team, while the competition has been growing them. ASUS, having such a big platform of motherboards, with a lot of variation of components, doesn't help the BIOS team there. But that is of course, not our problem. 

 

It is sad to see a giant like ASUS go so down.

 

I remember 14 years ago, where Gigabyte boards had wonderful broken English and spelling errors in their BIOS/UEFI and would freeze if you navigated the BIOS Setup (pre-UEFI days, I am talking, for that specific point), too fast. MSI had poor terminology like "Windows 8 mode", option, despite having Windows 10 released already, and the documentation explained nothing beside something along the lines of: "Enabled this option if you install Windows 8". What they really meant is enable UEFI and disable CSM. And should be enabled regardless of the OS you install, as long as it is (at the time) a modern one which has UEFI support. So it created confusion.

 

Anyways, every manufacturer has up their game in the recent years. But ASUS, who was a leader (despite their... awful, at best, warranty and after sale service), is now behind all other manufacturers.

 

 

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Glad it's limited to just Asus and not a socket manufacture issue like back in ye olden times with burnt 1156 sockets from FoxConn.

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1 hour ago, Bitter said:

Glad it's limited to just Asus and not a socket manufacture issue like back in ye olden times with burnt 1156 sockets from FoxConn.

at least as far as we know as of right now 

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21 hours ago, Senzelian said:

Every single time AMD releases a new product I'm like...

 

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...and a couple weeks after that...

 

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It's getting absurd at this point. Atleast for the most part Intel just works.

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