AMD Announces 7900XTX $999, 7900XT $899, Arriving December 13

[CommanderAlex]

TBH, pretty excited to see how these cards will perform for the price against the $1600 RTX 4090. 

 

It's amazing how much a smaller company can get done and provide a product that is competitive against the competition. 

[heimdali]

1 hour ago, Zando_ said:

?? Who told you this? I have GTX 780s still kicking, 9 year old cards. And an HD4870, a 14 year old card. That's in a Mac Pro, the original Nvidia GT 6300 (IIRC that's the model) from 2006 - so 16 years old - is still kicking but just doesn't support newer graphics APIs so I replaced it. 

Wait for 3rd party benches to see how the cards perform + if there's any major launch issues.

It's my own experience with the last 5 cards I have had.  They were all NVIDIA and they failed, all shortly after warranty with one exception which lasted a bit longer.  So it doesn't matter to me that your cards last longer.  It would be unreasonable to expect any results that would contradict experience.  Ask me in about 1.5 years so if my current card still works.

 

[Motifator]

1 minute ago, CommanderAlex said:

It's amazing how much a smaller company can get done and provide a product that is competitive against the competition. 

They're already using a better silicone node supplement, and AMD is not exactly all that smaller anymore. They're holding more and more shares with CPUs - and honestly, Nvidia's 20+ year old control panel needs to either go or fully be worked on. It still lags when making changes, cringe. Barely above a command shell in quality of the software piece.

[Spotty]

4 minutes ago, Motifator said:

Nope.

https://www.techpowerup.com/281394/amd-radeon-rx-6900-xtx-engineering-sample-pictured

Any cards using the XTX brand that they actually released to market? I don't think rumours/leaks of a card they never sold counts.

[CommanderAlex]

3 minutes ago, Motifator said:

They're already using a better silicone node supplement, and AMD is not exactly all that smaller anymore. They're holding more and more shares with CPUs - and honestly, Nvidia's 20+ year old control panel needs to either go or fully be worked on. It still lags when making changes, cringe. Barely above a command shell in quality of the software piece.

Slightly smaller, in terms of research and development by about $1 billion. Just keep in mind the market share to is very slim, leaving Nvidia to dominate the whole market. I've found Nvidia Control Panel to be a better solution than AMD's implementation of their...software. Catalyst was great and now this Adrenalin crap gets on my nerves. Most of the time I just do a minimal install or better yet driver only just so I don't have to deal with the stupid overlays and bullcrap that AMD enables in their defaults. 

[xAcid9]

The term Fluid Motion reminded me of AMD's own frame interpolation that i used a lot when i had my 290x circa 2015, a feature that i really missed when i switched to 980 Ti because Nvidia don't have it and when i use with SVP player it doesn't look as good and consume a lot of power. 

 

1 minute ago, Spotty said:

Any cards using the XTX brand that they actually released to market? I don't think rumours/leaks of a card they never sold counts.

Yeah, afaik internal codename for their top end card was always XTX.

[Spotty]

6 minutes ago, Motifator said:

and honestly, Nvidia's 20+ year old control panel needs to either go or fully be worked on. It still lags when making changes, cringe. Barely above a command shell in quality of the software piece.

It's surprising they haven't made any UI updates to the control panel. Be careful what you wish for though or they might just roll the control panel in to GeForce Experience and require you to sign in to change your screen resolution.

[Doobeedoo]

Very exciting. I expected such price. Chiplet design is rather interesting, can't wait to see more about it. I wonder could they do dual GPU maybe.

Either way, having DP 2.1 is awesome for upcoming displays. Can't wait to see those on CES soon. The AV1 is quite neat. And upcoming FSR3 seems promising. 

Looking forward for benchmarks eventually and to see custom cards

[Motifator]

2 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Any cards using the XTX brand that they actually released to market? I don't think rumours/leaks of a card they never sold counts.

Yeah I don't think they released any cards that were named flat out XTX, but some cards used that silicone. On the coding of the core, some were actually called XTX, more info below:

https://www.overclock.net/threads/a-list-of-different-types-of-6900-xtxh-gpus.1794330/
 

1 minute ago, CommanderAlex said:

Slightly smaller, in terms of research and development by about $1 billion. Just keep in mind the market share too is very slim, leaving Nvidia to dominate the whole market. I've found Nvidia Control Panel to be a better solution than AMD's implementation of their...software. Catalyst was great and now this Adrenalin crap gets on my nerves. Most of the time I just do a minimal install or better yet driver only just so I don't have to deal with the stupid overlays and bullcrap that AMD enables in their defaults. 

I'm actually liking the Adrenalin suite but each to their own I guess at some point.

I see people making random comparisons between TPU and AMD's slides. On TPU's Average FPS, the 6950 gets 150 frames at QHD. While the 4090 maintains 200 FPS. If you go by the 1.7x multiplier, the card might actually perform better under several cases. Time will show.

[dizmo]

39 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Probably not, I already have a 6800 XT with water block so I should actually get the investment life out of it first before upgrading. I'm limited to 2560x1600 @ 60Hz anyway, should deal to that first I guess.

Or you could look at it as you getting the most return on your old card before it's worthless
Many ways to play around that buying decision. Though water blocked cards tank their value pretty hard.

Though that monitor...

36 minutes ago, Herrscher of Whatever said:

Also, I have the gut feeling that the eventual future RX 7600 (non xt of course) will be my go to card to buy for both AV1 and good performance.

I've seen fewer people have issues with the lower tier cards. Which is interesting.

30 minutes ago, Motifator said:

I don't? I mean should I be blaming myself for buying a GOOD monitor that has a VRR which ONLY works with Nvidia? Why doesn't AMD have any? Oh yeah, their standard is free... working with any GPU - called Freesync.

There is no 8k ultrawide monitor to my knowledge. 8k is a TV resolution that has almost 8000 pixels on one side, to make this an ultrawide you need even more pixels and I'm not aware of any monitors in this configuration, at least out of my head.

That's not the way your post sounds

 

There is. Samsung is releasing it officially at CES.

Also that's not how Ultrawide works. It's the same horizontal, half-ish the vertical. Not more.

20 minutes ago, heimdali said:

I didn't say they don't last longer than their warranty. I'd rather have one fail and fixed/replaced during its warranty than the card failing shortly after.  The last 5 cards I had failed not long after the warranty expired.  One of them was made by PNY and failed because its fan broke; I was able to salvage it by removing the rest of the blades and tieing another fan to it.  The last one lasted somewhat longer than the others and it was the most expensive one.  It was a Founders Edition which I went for because I though maybe they do last longer, and that payed out.  Still it should have lasted longer.  Now I switched to AMD because NVIDIA drivers are such a pain and NVIDIA is so very uncooperative.

 

After so much bad experience, I don't believe that graphics cards would last much longer than their warranty and buying a used one would require a really good price because chances are that it will fail soon.  I also plan on selling my current card before the warranty is expired if I can get a reasonable price for it and get another one instead.  Once it has failed, it can't sell it anymore, so that may be the better deal than waiting for it to fail.

 

I have, by referring to the cards that would be replaced by the new ones about to be released in December.  Someone who's buying a top-of-the-line AMD card for $1000 is probably replacing their current top-of-the-line-or-close-to that AMD card.

 

I suppose that some of you have experience with that kind of thing.  Of course, the details aren't predictable and it can be known what currently the top-of-the-line cards are and how doing such a switch worked out, and if it was a good idea or a bad one surely is something something can be said about.

Uh, what fam?

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Considering that graphics cards usually last only as long as their warranty

That is literally exactly what you said.

 

If you think AMD drivers are any better, you're terribly mistaken. I've had far more issues with AMD drivers than Nvidia.

I only buy used cards. I've never had one fail. A lot of my friends are running old hardware, and they haven't experienced any failures.

So, perhaps something you're doing is causing them to reach a quick death.

[ForboJack]

It doesn't really seems like RDNA 3 will compete with the 4090, but at 600$ cheaper and with far lower power demand, this really looks like a great high end gaming GPU. I mean who really has the money für a 1600$ card in this economy. Sure professionals do, but most average gamer don't have that money or just don't want to spend that much. The "low" AMD prices also mean that lower end cards will be far more likely from AMD. Another great news for more price sensitive gamers. 

I don't think I'll upgrade from my 6900XT this soon, but I'm really looking forward to FSR 3 and and all the other promised software updates. When I bought my current card drivers and software were a really hot mess. Now it already improved so much. When this trend continuous AMD really will be a competitive alternative to Nvidia and that's something every gamer should love.

[Moonzy]

47 minutes ago, leadeater said:

I wish they didn't, when AMD dropped that nonsense I was really happy. I do not miss the days of the X800 XTX Ultra GTO EXTREME!! which is faster than the X800 XTX GTO Ultra EXTREME!

why dont they just name it 7800 xt and 7900 xt, like they should? -cough-

[CommanderAlex]

5 minutes ago, Motifator said:

I'm actually liking the Adrenalin suite but each to their own I guess at some point.

I see people making random comparisons between TPU and AMD's slides. On TPU's Average FPS, the 6950 gets 150 frames at QHD. While the 4090 maintains 200 FPS. If you go by the 1.7x multiplier, the card might actually perform better under several cases. Time will show.

It's alright to use...albeit clunky for me. It's like the bane of AMD's existence just like Edge is on Windows- i.e. everyone goes to use Edge to install their browser of choice and leave Edge for good. 

 

Aren't these numbers extrapolated using the RX 6900XT FPS numbers multiplied by 1.7??

[bcredeur97]

man I miss the high end GPU's being like $500 lol...

[Mister Woof]

18 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Any cards using the XTX brand that they actually released to market? I don't think rumours/leaks of a card they never sold counts.

I had one a LOOOONG time ago.

 

Radeon 1950XTX

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-x1950-xtx.c168

 

Trying to find the retail box for it. I think it was Leadtek and had a wizard on it

[Motifator]

4 minutes ago, dizmo said:

That's not the way your post sounds

 

There is. Samsung is releasing it officially at CES.

Also that's not how Ultrawide works. It's the same horizontal, half-ish the vertical. Not more.

Uh, what fam?

That is literally exactly what you said.

 

If you think AMD drivers are any better, you're terribly mistaken. I've had far more issues with AMD drivers than Nvidia.

I only buy used cards. I've never had one fail. A lot of my friends are running old hardware, and they haven't experienced any failures.

So, perhaps something you're doing is causing them to reach a quick death.

I think I made clear in the post that the monitor ONLY works with an Nvidia card as far as VRR is concerned. This is how it's built, it's a Predator X34 for the record. I want VRR and it's practically, partially useless without an Nvidia card to me.

I don't know which monitor you're talking about, care to post a link? But, it's being released on CES, so currently... it doesn't exist - and I still don't think it's technically "8k ultrawide" at all.

5k2k is 4k ultrawide. It has more pixels than 4k, and makes it the ultrawide form of 4k because there's nothing closer to it. Making you ultimately wrong.

I bought a barely used Optane stick the other day and the guy messaged me almost 10 times one after the other in 15 minute intervals for me to give him the confirmation. I stay away from buying used as much as I could, because you deal with so many complete idiots.

[GOTSpectrum]

1 hour ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

Those things were long...  

 

Nvidia be the thick boi

AMD be the long boi

if they did it they would have to package it alongside each other, not with massive distance like this 

[Motifator]

23 minutes ago, CommanderAlex said:

It's alright to use...albeit clunky for me. It's like the bane of AMD's existence just like Edge is on Windows- i.e. everyone goes to use Edge to install their browser of choice and leave Edge for good. 

 

Aren't these numbers extrapolated using the RX 6900XT FPS numbers multiplied by 1.7??

Yeah, my bad, it's the 6900. But like, the 6900 vs 6950 is really dependent on how well your sample clocks if you're into tuning like me.
 

7 minutes ago, GOTSpectrum said:

if they did it they would have to package it alongside each other, not with massive distance like this 

That's an old card, it uses the PLX chip to couple the cards over the Crossfire, while using the Volterra Digital PWM / Cooper Bussman chokes. This was an amazing power delivery config which was used back then.

You would expect a modern dual GPU card to use something entirely else than PLX for bridging the stuff. Some form of HBM alike stuff.

[xAcid9]

Dumping some slides taken from TPU. Gaming performance test was done with either 7900x/7950x + 32GB DDR5-6000MT

https://www.techpowerup.com/300632/amd-announces-the-usd-999-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-and-usd-899-rx-7900-xt-5nm-rdna3-displayport-2-1-fsr-3-0-fluidmotion

 

 

 

 

 

More slides

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[CommanderAlex]

1 minute ago, Motifator said:

Yeah, my bad, it's the 6900. But like, the 6900 vs 6950 is really dependent on how well your sample clocks if you're into tuning like me.

6950XT is just a slightly factory OC version of the 6900XT. Both are pretty comparable in performance. 

[GOTSpectrum]

1 minute ago, Motifator said:

You would expect a modern dual GPU card to use something entirely else than PLX for bridging the stuff. Some form of HBM alike stuff.

theoretically speaking you have two options, that is a communication protocol, like Infinity Fabric... but much faster (and much more energy intensive) Or simple direct links through an interposer... 

 

Direct links would make sense for many reasons but... it's pretty difficult 

[hishnash]

Seems a little odd the marketing and media hype that this is an McM GPU when all of the gpu logic/compute is on a single die and the separated other modules are just for cache.  Also much of the gaming media clearly are un-aware of apple M1 Ultra gpus that are true McM gpu were the compute is spread over 2 dies. In the case of the M1 Ultra it is in fact logically made out of 8 GPUs (4 per die).  Of cource with a TBDR approach tilling out the GPU like this is simpler than TBIR as each tile of screen space can be fully resolved (within a render pass), but it is a shame AMD did not manage to solve the McM challenges for TBIR. 

[Quackers101]

29 minutes ago, hishnash said:

Seems a little odd the marketing and media hype that this is an McM GPU when all of the gpu logic/compute is on a single die and the separated other modules are just for cache.

AMD called those other ones for MCD and GCD, I think

For their chiplet, not sure if can be called something similar as MCM.

Edited November 4, 2022 by Quackers101

[AlTech]

2 hours ago, porina said:

This does imply a difference in vram bus width of 20%. Does their cache mitigate that?

The cache is also smaller since the XT loses 1 Memory Cache Chiplet (which accounts for the lost vram bus as well since each chiplet gives a 64bit memory bus and 16MB Cache).

2 hours ago, porina said:

It's been said many times but I too also felt that difference is too small. If you're going to 900, you might as well go to 1000. That their pricing like this implies one of two things: their perf overall and/or feature set is still lacking vs nvidia, or they are actually making a push for market share this time. We'll need direct perf testing to see which is the case. 

It's also possible that they expected the 7900XT to compete with the 4080 12GB but Nvidia withdrew that card from sale after they designed it.

2 hours ago, porina said:

FLOPS are great indicators of real world perf - as long as that perf is more compute than gaming.

 

From their numbers it was looking like that RT increases were in line with raster increases, so no change to the balance between them.

 

 

Until we get more information, my feeling is RDNA 3 isn't changing the balance. If you look mainly at raster it'll be competitive enough but will still have weak areas around it.

 

[AnonymousGuy]

Seems the story is the same it's been for a while: slot between 2 NV products (the 4070 Ti/4080-12 and the 4080-16) and hope people don't mind dealing with your crappier software implementations.  NV will just bundle the 4080-16 with a couple games and bada bing they continue outselling.