AMD Announces 7900XTX $999, 7900XT $899, Arriving December 13

[heimdali]

30 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Uh, what fam?

Huh?

30 minutes ago, dizmo said:

That is literally exactly what you said.

No, it's not.

30 minutes ago, dizmo said:

If you think AMD drivers are any better, you're terribly mistaken. I've had far more issues with AMD drivers than Nvidia.

I'm not mistaken.  They come with the kernel and the AMD card I got now works out of the box without any further ado.  NVIDIA drivers have always been a hassle because you need to install them seperately, and they may interfere with libraries you have installed.  Maybe ask the devs and packagers how much hassle it really is.  And how long did it take for wayland to finally work with NVIDIA cards?  NVIDIA continues to refuse to work with the developers while AMD does.  The result is an overall much better experience with AMD, and I rather buy from a manufacturer which is supportive than from one who isn't.

30 minutes ago, dizmo said:

I only buy used cards. I've never had one fail. A lot of my friends are running old hardware, and they haven't experienced any failures.

So, perhaps something you're doing is causing them to reach a quick death.

I'm not doing anything special.  The card's installed in my computer, and it doesn't overheat or anything.  After a couple years, the card fails, probably because they're built like that.  After all, the manufacturer regularly wants to sell new ones to make money.  What would you recommend to make it last longer?

 

[Mister Woof]

5 minutes ago, Quackers101 said:

AMD called those other ones for MCD, I think

I'll take a 20pc w/bbq sauce

[Motifator]

6 minutes ago, heimdali said:

After a couple years, the card fails, probably because they're built like that.  After all, the manufacturer regularly wants to sell new ones to make money.  What would you recommend to make it last longer?

 

Think you mentioned something about the cooler failing, well in that case, I'd recommend just slapping a waterblock and some exquisite liquid cooling equipment on and calling it a day! lol.

I recall once I was down Discord with a like-minded individual over OCN voice, he told me that he had a rig with the original Swiftech water cooling components working for him still after some enormous time like 10 years.

I don't think even they make them that reliable anymore though. From what I read, most the companies that make the DDC for example, buy it in bulk from a company called Maca or something. They're a massive OEM watercooling gear supplier to EK, Swiftech and the alikes. Located in Hungary? Something like that. So yeah, you buy and you throw stuff away when it's broken. This is a case with a lot of peripherals for instance...

[AndreiArgeanu]

600$ cheaper than a 4090 and 200$ cheaper than a 4080 and it's within spitting distance of the 4090 while also being significantly more efficient and uses 2x8pin connectors over the (hopefully) used to be burning 16pin connectors. The 7900 xtx seems like a really good value proposition.

Also customary niktek video

 

[heimdali]

42 minutes ago, Motifator said:

Think you mentioned something about the cooler failing, well in that case, I'd recommend just slapping a waterblock and some exquisite liquid cooling equipment on and calling it a day! lol.

Why would I go to all the hassle with water cooling?  I tied a 80mm or what it was to it and it worked.  Worst problem was to get the fan not to fall off.

42 minutes ago, Motifator said:

So yeah, you buy and you throw stuff away when it's broken. This is a case with a lot of peripherals for instance...

Like which ones?  Peripherals last way longer than graphics cards.  These cards go so fast they're are wearable parts that need constant replacement   Considering how expensive they are, that really sucks and I'm done with willing to spend much money on them.  A graphics card for $1000 is just ridiculous.

[StephanTW]

2 hours ago, dizmo said:

Anyone here plan on buying one?

depending on benchmarks and how well the AV1 encoder is, very likely

[xAcid9]

46 minutes ago, AndreiArgeanu said:

The 7900 xtx seems like a really good value proposition.

I'm sure 4090 and 4080 will still outsell the 7900 series by large margin anyway. They have better supported features outside of gaming.

[StephanTW]

1 hour ago, Motifator said:

he told me that he had a rig with the original Swiftech water cooling components working for him still after some enormous time like 10 years.

can confirm stuff that has water cooling lasts very long, current GPU's been in here for 9 years and while i did redo the thermal paste and pads a couple months back, the only reason was due to me swapping mb and cpu so figured id repaste that too but it looked perfect underneath

[ZetZet]

4 hours ago, leadeater said:

 

• Compute power: 61TFLOPs vs 82 TFLOPs, 7900 XTX is only 74% compute performance of the RTX 4090. That's simply too big to make up in other ways.
• Nvidia compute to gaming performance is historically better than AMD's

RTX3090 36TFLOPS, 6900XT 23TFLOPS. Which history are we talking about here? 

[williamcll]

I wonder how well it performs on AI as well as a multi-GPU configuration.

[Mister Woof]

1 hour ago, xAcid9 said:

I'm sure 4090 and 4080 will still outsell the 7900 series by large margin anyway. They have better supported features outside of gaming.

The 7900XT could outperform the 4090 and people would still buy the 4090..

 

Kind of how like the 6600, 6600XT, 6700XT, 6800XT, AND 6900XT exist and outperform their 3000 series counterparts but people still prefer the Nvidia cards.

[leadeater]

1 hour ago, ZetZet said:

RTX3090 36TFLOPS, 6900XT 23TFLOPS. Which history are we talking about here? 

Pretty much most of it, also 3090 does better at the higher resolutions. RDNA2 may have amended past issues like that, although not completely, but that was mostly due to cache which Ada has a ton of now too.

 

If AMD were better than the 4090 they would have 100000% said so.

[leadeater]

4 hours ago, dizmo said:

Though water blocked cards tank their value pretty hard.

Only if you don't have the original air cooler, which I don't because it's a Liquid Devil and came stick with the EK OEM block lol

[ZetZet]

8 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Pretty much most of it, also 3090 does better at the higher resolutions. RDNA2 may have amended past issues like that, although not completely, but that was mostly due to cache which Ada has a ton of now too.

 

If AMD were better than the 4090 they would have 100000% said so.

Oh I don't think it's better. But also don't think it's going to be nearly as slow as 4080 16GB, that gap is wide.

[Man]

Just looking at the 'alleged' specs sheet on TechPowerUp. Seems like the cards have some serious FP16 throughput with 7900XTX @ 122.9 Tflops. While my knowledge about float point performance is extremely limited, I don't think you need FP16 in gaming, correct?
 

So... what is it for? Is FP16 is what AMD using to boost FSR 3.0 'frame generation'? And does it means you can 'potentially' enable FSR 3.0 on old gen. hardware, including consoles?!

 

Any ideas/speculations?

 

[PaulFCB]

6 hours ago, Spotty said:

Old school ATI thing. X1950 XTX was back when it was still ATI before they were acquired by AMD. Is this the first time AMD used the XTX branding? 

 

Probably would have made more sense to call it a 7950XT instead since they used 6_50 last gen. Maybe that means AMD has plans for a 7950 class card in the future..?

Maybe the 7900XTX should have been 7900XT and the 7900XT be 7900.

 They don’t, 7900XT already uses all the CU’s from the die, they pushed it all in just like it’s likely we won’t have a refresh for 4090 just like 2080 Ti didn’t.

 

Basically the only thing they can do with this architecture is put two chips on a PCB with lower clocks so the consumption will be somewhere in 4090’s upper limits.

[starsmine]

9 minutes ago, PaulFCB said:

 They don’t, 7900XT already uses all the CU’s from the die, they pushed it all in just like it’s likely we won’t have a refresh for 4090 just like 2080 Ti didn’t.

 

Basically the only thing they can do with this architecture is put two chips on a PCB with lower clocks so the consumption will be somewhere in 4090’s upper limits.

They literally have a lot left on the table, Cache can be doubled, They used "cheap" 20gbp/s GDDR6 ram when micron has 27Gbp/s GDDR6X ram (which they dont need to go that high, just 22-24 would be enough). they have an extra 100W of scaling headroom on higher binned chips for a higher clocked chip.

Why would you think the 4090 has no refresh? they didnt use the full die.

[Senzelian]

7 hours ago, dizmo said:

Maybe if they invested more money into having rock solid drivers...

I don't know. I always hear so much about bad drivers, the same way I heard so much about Pixel 6s having issues and in the end it turns out that it's not like that at all, at least in my experience. I also used to stream World of Tanks and other games sometimes, which worked fine too. No issues there.

 

Maybe I was just super lucky again, who knows. I hope that Linus and Luke will follow through with their AMD "challenge" and use a Radeon GPU for a month, just like they did with their Linux challenge. I believe they're going to have a great experience. 

[dogwitch]

just remember. nvidia lost the largest gov contract for gpu to amd.... (frontier)

dam those gpu in it are monster... they make a 4090 look like a teddy bear

[Spotty]

Has XFX announced the XFX RX 7900 XTX XXX card yet?

[venomtail]

9 hours ago, dizmo said:

10 hours ago, venomtail said:

I really hope 2 slot models get some love. 4090's are all 3-4 slot monsters so if the top flagship model is a 2.5 slot card, there's some real hope that a GPU that actually fits in a case will be offered.

I mean, a 3 slot card still fits into pretty much every mainstream case out there.

That's why it becomes even more difficult when you don't pick a mainstream case. Wasn't such a problem a few years ago when manufactures could make generational gains without having to fall back on lazy power increases and the drawbacks that come with that.

[venomtail]

4 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Has XFX announced the XFX RX 7900 XTX XXX card yet?

Naah XFX will probs just announce the XFX RX 7900 XTX Thixx 3 X MercX

[porina]

4 minutes ago, dogwitch said:

just remember. nvidia lost the largest gov contract for gpu to amd.... (frontier)

That was more likely due to AMD and Intel having a more unified offering of both CPU and GPU. nvidia's weakness in that area is a lack of a high end CPU on their side, although they are addressing that with Grace CPU.

[Origami Cactus]

8 hours ago, Moonzy said:

why dont they just name it 7800 xt and 7900 xt, like they should? -cough-

Because unlike nvidia who cut the 4080 in half with a bandsaw and then called it the same exact model, the 7900XT is only about 10-15% slower than the XTX. It uses the memory, gpu die, etc etc.

It is more clearly just a cutdown XTX, instead of Nvidia 4080 12gb where it was clear it used an entirely different gpu die and it had 30% less performance.

They could have done like they did last gen, 7900xt and 7950xt, I would think that would have been the best course of action, but that doesn't leave open the flagship slot, where they want to come out with a 4090 competitor next year.

[dogwitch]

1 hour ago, porina said:

That was more likely due to AMD and Intel having a more unified offering of both CPU and GPU. nvidia's weakness in that area is a lack of a high end CPU on their side, although they are addressing that with Grace CPU.

true. but there a reason why they bought a network gear manf to.