AMD Announces 7900XTX $999, 7900XT $899, Arriving December 13

[leadeater]

13 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Ouch take that NVidia, pricing is quite good imo, supposing they'll compete with the $1100 real 4080 and $1600 4090 

 

Will be slower than the RTX 4090, on paper faster than the RTX 4080

[Mister Woof]

2 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Really I've been disappointed by RT on my 3080, not because of the drop in fps, but because the drop didn't make anything look really better !

Very very few games implemented Ray Tracing in a way that made the performance loss worthwhile. It was really just Control and CP2077. It's a gimmick. I don't consider Ray Tracing mature enough to be worthwhile STILL even with a 3080.

[AlTech]

5 minutes ago, Senzelian said:

Yup. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Ignore the names. Look at performance and price and then if you

want to call it them all  6969XYLOL3D.

 

 

I would also add: look at the specs. Typical cards of the same class have similar ish specs in memory bus and similar levels of perf and vram relative to cards above or below it.

 

The 6000 series was an outlier cos AMD wanted to use Infinity cache to remove the requirement of having a bigger memory bus and the power draw it comes with.

[AlTech]

1 minute ago, leadeater said:

Will be slower than the RTX 4090, on paper faster than the RTX 4080

We don't have benchmarks and theoretical TFLOP numbers aren't good indicators of real world perf.

[Mister Woof]

2 minutes ago, Senzelian said:

Yup. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Ignore the names. Look at performance and price and then if you want to call it them all  6969XYLOL3D.

 

Yup I agree. I tried Cyberpunk 2077 with RT and a few other games and this was the only one where I found the game to actually look noticeably better, but wasn't worth the performance decrease.

 

Yep and with that said, both announced a cheaper alternative the same day that they announced their top end cards. Not this time.

 

The minimum buy in for the new stuff at this point is basically $1000+

[Blademaster91]

12 minutes ago, Senzelian said:

You might be looking at it, considering there is now a XTX model. I would assume that the 7900XT would've usually been the 7800XT, but for some reason they didn't like that name. 

I think there will be a 7800XT, but we'll have to wait for reviews to see how far behind the 7900XT is behind the 7900XTX.

AMD might have a lot of RX6000 series cards left, which might why they didn't show the 7800XT or 7700XT.

Also the "XTX" naming is a bit weird, but not nearly as bad as the 4080 12GB and 4080 16GB naming.

12 minutes ago, PaulFCB said:

 

Sorry, but going on lite RT as RE8 or Doom and insisting it’s not relevant now as if it’s September 2018 is pretty much hiding it under rug, they got a free pass with RDNA2 but now all they did is push numbers with ‘FSR 2 On’ and fake 8k proven to be 7680x2160 so a 4k Ultrawide which is not that 4x 4k.

RT is a nice luxury to play around with, but I still wouldn't count it as a main feature as there aren't many games that can even utilize RT that make it worth the performance hit, and IMO RT performance on par with an Nvidia 3000 series card is still pretty impressive.

And DP2.1 allows AMD to really push rasterized performance, the 4090 really should've had DP 2.1 considering the price.

[Motifator]

9 minutes ago, PaulFCB said:

Sorry, but going on lite RT as RE8 or Doom and insisting it’s not relevant now as if it’s September 2018 is pretty much hiding it under rug, they got a free pass with RDNA2 but now all they did is push numbers with ‘FSR 2 On’ and fake 8k proven to be 7680x2160 so a 4k Ultrawide which is not that 4x 4k.

Technically, "4k ultrawide" is closest to a "5k2k" screen. You're off with your math.

They'll start using FSR 3.0, COD already has AMD drivers but no Nvidia drivers for the recent title... and as a matter of fact, RT is still unimportant to me. I'd prefer good supersampling instead, such as a good DLSS or FSR implementation.

[Mister Woof]

I was gonna buy one of the new cards in the $500-700 range and give my 3080 to my wife, and the wife's 3070 to my kid....but now I wonder if it just makes more sense to get a card for kid who needs one, like the 6700XT they have for $370.

 

As much as I'd like one of these new cards, I just can't mentally get past the idea of spending over $1000 for one.

[Senzelian]

5 minutes ago, Shimmy Gummi said:

Yep and with that said, both announced a cheaper alternative the same day that they announced their top end cards. Not this time.

 

The minimum buy in for the new stuff at this point is basically $1000+

Yes, for now at least. Nvidia will have to offer a replacement for the 3080 12GB next and then AMD will probably counter with a 7800XT. They didn't really have any incentive right now to release the 7800XT yet, since Nvidia isn't releasing anything in the midrange either. And right now you can still get a 6800XT or 6900XT/50 really cheap. Maybe AMD still has some stock they first want to get mostly rid off. 

[leadeater]

2 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

We don't have benchmarks and theoretical TFLOP numbers aren't good indicators of real world perf.

The difference is well more than enough to know. These will be slower than the RTX 4090, that's just how it's going to be so I'd accept it now. RTX 4080 on the other hand will be much closer.

[Mister Woof]

Just now, Senzelian said:

Yes, for now at least. Nvidia will have to offer. a replacement for the 3080 12GB next and then AMD will probably counter with a 7800XT. They didn't really have any incentive right now to release the 7800XT yet, since Nvidia isn't releasing anything in the midrange either. And right now you can still get a 6800XT or 6900XT/50 really cheap. Maybe AMD still has some stock they first want to get mostly rid off. 

It just takes some of the excitement away from the event for people who just won't spend that much on a graphics card. Now I'm considering instead of spending $700 on a new card to just under $400 on an old one.

[Coolmaster]

25 minutes ago, Shimmy Gummi said:

Midrange segment is unimportant to them. That sucks. Seems neither company wants to focus on that segment at all. Previous announcements included the RTX 3070 and Radeon RX 6800.

High end GPUs have always launched first, wait a couple months and they'll release the midrange lineup

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, Coolmaster said:

High end GPUs have always launched first, wait a couple months and they'll release the midrange lineup

And as I said, they announced the 3070 and 6800 the same day, even if the release was staggered.

 

I just can't shake the idea they're pushing everyone to buy up and accept $1000 normal

[PaulFCB]

Dunno what displays you guys use, but saying RT makes a difference only in CP2077 means my OLED TV’s take a hell of a big dump in any gaming marketed monitor that those bandits sell for a close to or even bigger bucks than LG sell those TV’s since the 9 series debuted with 4k120.

 

Too bad for you, I’m not paying 1200€+ for a card to deliver nothing special, the 3080 close to launch looks like the best investment ever made in gaming ignoring the ultimate fact that it was free thanks to mining pools.

[Senzelian]

1 minute ago, Shimmy Gummi said:

It just takes some of the excitement away from the event for people who just won't spend that much on a graphics card. Now I'm considering instead of spending $700 on a new card to just under $400 on an old one.

Totally agree with you. Honestly the 6700XT/50 is a great buy for 1440p gaming right now, considering they are at around 400USD rn. 

[PaulFCB]

5 minutes ago, Motifator said:

Technically, "4k ultrawide" is closest to a "5k2k" screen. You're off with your math.

They'll start using FSR 3.0, COD already has AMD drivers but no Nvidia drivers for the recent title... and as a matter of fact, RT is still unimportant to me. I'd prefer good supersampling instead, such as a good DLSS or FSR implementation.

 Technically I’m not the one who gave fake 8k ultrawide info, if you’re not convinced, watch the presentation or see what Steve said about it. Omg.

[Mister Woof]

Just now, Senzelian said:

Totally agree with you. Honestly the 6700XT/50 is a great buy for 1440p gaming right now, considering they are at around 400USD rn. 

Thinking about getting this for my kid's 10900K system, then repurposing the extra 8700 to work with the 3060.

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08Z84S3K6/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

 

The oldest system right now is a 1060 3gb which is teetering on the edge of unusable 

[Motifator]

1 minute ago, PaulFCB said:

Dunno what displays you guys use, but saying RT makes a difference only in CP2077 means my OLED TV’s take a hell of a big dump in any gaming marketed monitor that those bandits sell for a close to or even bigger bucks than LG sell those TV’s since the 9 series debuted with 4k120.

 

Too bad for you, I’m not paying 1200€+ for a card to deliver nothing special, the 3080 close to launch looks like the best investment ever made in gaming ignoring the ultimate fact that it was free thanks to mining pools.

RT in COD sucked for long... my buddy has several CX OLEDs and neither he nor I use RT in it. A game that could actually be played for a long period, not some singleplayer title you'll finish and not look at it ever again.

It will deliver some stuff, HEVC decode will be improved on from. It might be great for toying with some high res video content.

[AlTech]

9 minutes ago, leadeater said:

The difference is well more than enough to know. These will be slower than the RTX 4090, that's just how it's going to be so accept it now. RTX 4080 on the other than will be much closer.

And we haven't seen any comparisons besides AMD's to themselves so any predictions now are premature; there's honestly no way to tell how they'll perform until we see objective benchmarks once reviewers have the cards and the embargo lifts.

[Shimejii]

23 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

AMD's not holding back the RAM.

 

AMD's 7900 XTX - 24GB VRAM - $1000

AMD's 7900 XT - 20GB VRAM - $900

 

Nvidia's RTX 4090 - 24GB - $1600

Nvidia's RTX 4080 - 16 GB - $1200

 

 

G6 Vs G6X though, albiet they arent THAT much different  but g6X is more expensive.

 

Overall my thoughts on the 7000 Series announcement: Naming scheme fucking sucks. I gave NVIDIA a bunch of shit for 4080 16 gb vs 12 GB, and i will do the same for this. It should have been called a 7924XT, Or at least something different.

 

Performance is Quite worrying since they didnt really release that much, i have a feeling its gonna be a 20-40% in the vast majority of titles, and 40-70% in a select few. Ray Tracing performance was pretty lack luster, so it seems they havent really made a major bump there, but RT still tends to be pretty shit anyway.

 

8k Crap was dumb and they should be called out on this, its not 8k, its not even half the resolution of 8k, it was 16m Pixels with the reso they used. 

 

1000$ for the XTX was quite surprising, i thought for sure they were going to do 1200 or 1299, but there may be a reason for that. Hopeful and a good step forward.

 

900$ for the 7900XT is kind of an oddity, not sure i can justify it over the XTX model for 100$ more with the 3 cutdowns, VRAM, CU, and Mem Chiplet.

 

Maybe at CES they will announce 7800XT or 7700XT so the 300-800$ range GPUs, but i expect a May-June announcement for that.

 

 

[StephanTW]

still gonna wait for benchmarks etc. but i am very likely to go get one of them, seeing as they have the AV1 encoder, which is the only real thing i cared about for an upgrade from my 9 year old R9 290's

[Quackers101]

9 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

RT is a nice luxury to play around with, but I still wouldn't count it as a main feature as there aren't many games that can even utilize RT that make it worth the performance hit, and IMO RT performance on par with an Nvidia 3000 series card is still pretty impressive.

sort of, for gaming its mostly a new thing to play around with.

but would be nice with the uplift from what modern titles will do, shader reordering, RTXGI (RT + GI), productivity etc.

Do hope they fix RT to look a lot better, instead of making a scene worse than GI and more expensive to run.

[Motifator]

5 minutes ago, PaulFCB said:

 Technically I’m not the one who gave fake 8k ultrawide info, if you’re not convinced, watch the presentation or see what Steve said about it. Omg.

The hell are you on lol, there is no "8k ultrawide" standard to my knowledge. 8k is a TV standard and even if there is a stretched form of it, almost nobody is well aware of it or using such standard out in the wild. I'm just here reading your pointless comment, and I don't watch Steve.

[Shimejii]

15 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

We don't have benchmarks and theoretical TFLOP numbers aren't good indicators of real world perf.

Its slower then the 4090, there is a reason they didnt show it in the graphs. Compare their benchmarks of the 6950XT vs a 4090, it gets beat. 83 FPS for the 4090 in cyberpunk, 50 FPS for 6950XT. It should be around 70-80 FPS, so close but not beating it and that is AT BEST.

 

It should certainly put up a good fight, and is a much better value.

[bramturismo]

21 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Will be slower than the RTX 4090, on paper faster than the RTX 4080

I dont think anyone expected it to be as fast as the 4090. The 4090 in raw performance is very impressive.

But the 7900 looks like half the size of the 4090, uses way less power, actually fits in your case and is 600 bucks cheaper. I do not care one bit that it is not as fast as the 4090. I think AMD has a really good product here, at least I hope it blows the 4080 out of the water as a punishment for the outraging pricing of the 4080.

 

Did expect the XT version to be rather 799 USD though. I dont see the reason the cheap out of 100 USD for such a cut down version of the XTX.