Intel Innovation 2022 - Raptor Lake Announced, on shelves October 20

[tim0901]

Summary

 

Intel is hosting their Innovation 2022 event this weekend and to start things off CEO Pat Gelsinger has showed off their upcoming Raptor Lake CPUs.

 

Six SKUs were shown off - the i9-13900K, i7-13700K, i5-13600K and their respective F-SKUs. No 13400 or 13100 today folks - those will come later. Pricing is largely the same as last generation, with the flagship 13900K coming in at $589, a cool $110 less than AMD's flagship 7950X. All CPUs announced today have the same number of P-cores as their previous gen counterparts, but come with double the e-cores for increased multi threaded performance. L2 and L3 cache have also both increased in size across the board in order to feed these extra cores, and of course the frequencies have been bumped up as well with the 13900K now hitting a 5.8GHz turbo.

 

(Courtesy of PC Gamer)

 

Power consumption is also up this year with both the i9 and i7 now having a 253W max turbo power. That's up from 241W for the 12900K and up from 190W for the 12700K. The 13600K now needs 181W at max turbo, an increase of 20% over the 12600K's 150W.

 

As expected these CPUs can be slotted into existing 600-series motherboards, but the new 700-series boards that will launch alongside 13th gen will offer greater connectivity.

 

Intel is claiming a pretty substantial uplift in performance this generation - 15% single threaded and 41% multi threaded. The breakdown as to exactly where these gains are coming from is quite nice, although the limited number of tests of course means we should wait for third-party results before outright believing these numbers as true.

 

 

They also showed a slide with the 13900K seemingly meeting or beating the 5800X3D in most of the games they tested - an interesting achievement if true given the results we've seen from the 7950X. No 7950X benchmarks unfortunately, but that's kind of to be expected seeing as they were only released today.

 

 

13th Gen CPUs will start shipping on October 20th alongsize Z790 motherboards, with further 13th gen CPUs following "at a later date."

 

My thoughts

I want to see third-party benchmarks, but at a first glance this seems like a very good value compared to Zen 4. I'm especially interested to see how much of a penalty you pay sticking with DDR4 for the truly budget-conscious buyers.

 

Sources

https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-raptor-lake-release-date-price/

https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/27/23374386/intel-13th-gen-processors-release-date-price-raptor-lake

[starsmine]

I love the graph burring the 5800x3d where they can claim its still there.

[porina]

Only just got home so catching up, but I did see what I'd consider more interesting news: A770 Oct. 12 from $329.

[ToboRobot]

should drop budget cpus while AMD has nothing to compete

[tim0901]

14 minutes ago, porina said:

Only just got home so catching up, but I did see what I'd consider more interesting news: A770 Oct. 12 from $329.

Yep - details were... scarce to be honest. No performance numbers or anything except a claim of 65% better peak raytracing performance vs the competition. Whatever that's meant to mean. I'd love to check the sources document for more details but I can't quite make out the URL in the smalltext.

 

Edit: found it - it's intel.com/performanceindex. Can't see the numbers from this event yet.

 

 

It's called the A770 "Limiited Edition" - not sure if this is Intel's brand name for an FE equivalent or whether they are truly only planning on selling handful of these. Apparently it comes in two models - 8GB and 16GB, with the $329 price likely being the former.

[Quackers101]

ltt be like RIP AMD

[ZetZet]

Sweet. Ordered a 12700 non-K build today after all the releases. No major breakthroughs so I will save some money. Just need to wait for RDNA3 to hopefully drop some bombs on pricing. 

[CommanderAlex]

Are you able to disable the P-cores completely and run off just the E-cores?? I'd love to see a test done with the 13900K and all P-cores disabled and run only off the E-cores to see the performance and temperatures. 

[ZetZet]

Just now, CommanderAlex said:

Are you able to disable the P-cores completely and run off just the E-cores?? I'd love to see a test done with the 13900K and all P-cores disabled and run only off the E-cores to see the performance and temperatures. 

Techpowerup did a review on E-cores only https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-12900k-e-cores-only-performance

[HandymanHandy]

Quote

When restricted to a 65 W base power, Intel says that the improvements to Raptor Lake will allow the chips to run multi-threaded workloads just as quickly as a Core i9-12900K running at 241 W.

if that line from Ars article is true, that would be amazing.

[PDifolco]

7 minutes ago, CommanderAlex said:

Are you able to disable the P-cores completely and run off just the E-cores?? I'd love to see a test done with the 13900K and all P-cores disabled and run only off the E-cores to see the performance and temperatures. 

To do that buy an old Xeon

[emosun]

so are the e cores just for power efficiency sake? I feel like the space would be better suited with more p cores and just skipping the whole complicated efficiency thing

this reminds me of when they made those cylinder shut off cars in the early 80's and they just ended up running like crap

[KaitouX]

So pricing wise the competition would look like this:

7950X - $700

13900K(F) / 7900X - ~$550

13700K(F) / 7700X - ~$400

13600K(F) / 7600X - ~$300

 

Intel seems to be the better option across the board even when ignoring the platform cost, which would put Intel further ahead. AMD might have to speedrun a price cut to be competitive, unless they're betting the platform longevity and current mindshare are enough to keep people away from going with Intel.

 

1 minute ago, emosun said:

so are the e cores just for power efficiency sake? I feel like the space would be better suited with more p cores and just skipping the whole complicated efficiency thing

this reminds me of when they made those cylinder shut off cars in the early 80's and they just ended up running like crap

Space efficiency, 4 E-cores are similar sized to 1 P core, but perform like 2. P-cores are as power efficient if not more efficient than E-cores when not boosting like crazy.

[emosun]

Just now, KaitouX said:

Space efficiency, 4 E-cores are similar sized to 1 P core, but perform like 2. P-cores are as power efficient if not more efficient than E-cores when not boosting like crazy.

so they should just make the whole thing e cores?

[BiG StroOnZ]

Hmmm:

 

[KaitouX]

6 minutes ago, emosun said:

so they should just make the whole thing e cores?

Then the ST performance would suffer. But they do have 2P+8E CPUs on the laptop side to keep ST performance high while also having high MT performance due to the high E-core count. I believe they also have E-cores only server CPUs planned.

[Brooksie359]

3 minutes ago, emosun said:

so they should just make the whole thing e cores?

I think the point is that for alot of workloads only a couple of threads are really put under pressure while the loads on the other threads are not super high so you would be better off having e cores for those other threads while the p cores are more suitable for those few threads that need high single threaded performance. If it was all e cores your single threaded performance would likely take a big hit. 

[CommanderAlex]

27 minutes ago, ZetZet said:

Techpowerup did a review on E-cores only https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-12900k-e-cores-only-performance

Thanks for the article!! Quite an interesting read and was surprised you were able to send a link to it that quickly from the time I responded. Interesting to see the E-cores on the 12900K have an IPC close to Skylake. I think I remember reading hearing this at one point, but the thought did not come to my mind again after seeing Intel add more E-cores in Raptor Lake compared to Alder Lake. 

[Vibora]

Any rumors about the OC locked cpu's?

[Spotty]

1 hour ago, tim0901 said:

 

I love how the 5800X3D beats the 13900K in some games so instead of including a column for it they just put a little notch above the 5950x. 

10/10 best ad for the 5800X3D I've seen all week, and that includes Ryzen 7000 launch.

[Real_PhillBert]

I'm eagerly awaiting third party tests on these, but since I'm over due for an update, I'm looking hard at a 13900K.

[agatong55]

I have been an AMD fan for ages but at this point its going to come down to who has the better selection of ITX boards. 

[porina]

Got the deep dive stream on in the background at moment. Current presenter said Raptor Lake uses a further improved process that someone suggested should be called Intel 6, and was like a full node improvement.

[Quackers101]

1 hour ago, Spotty said:

I love how the 5800X3D beats the 13900K in some games so instead of including a column for it they just put a little notch above the 5950x. 

10/10 best ad for the 5800X3D I've seen all week, and that includes Ryzen 7000 launch.

yeah it would be something to see, if they would do X3D again or use something a bit different but similar for 7000.

Which seems more interesting, and it would be cool to see intel trying out something too. but god knows how stable or unstable that tech can be.

hopefully we see a stronger iGPU for intel *pokes their igpu to play poker*

[Valentyn]

Out of Intel, and AMD's launches it just shows how good the X3D was. Give me a 10-12 core X3D. Kinda wish It was out when I build my Ryzen 5000 system in 2020.

Although I'm really interested in Intel's ARC. I'm very likely going AMD for my next upgrade, but would like one to play around with. Biggest worry is their drivers