Next version of Windows event... Windows 11 -> Ended

[porina]

7 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

You don't need a hardware TPM, the firmware one is fine. On Intel it was introduced all the way back in 2013. It might not be enabled by default on many boards, but available.

Just going through some systems I have on hand right now.

 

TPM 2.0 enabled already:

Asus Kaby Lake laptop

Lenovo Zen 3 laptop

 

Required manual enabling in bios:

Asus B560 chipset mobo

Asus X299 mobo

 

Option in bios but can't set (requires module?)

Asrock Z370 mobo

 

No option in bios that I can find:

Asus Z170 mobo

 

[Vishera]

With all this BS i will just go Linux in the end...

[Quackers101]

1 hour ago, NeuesTestament said:

Am I one of the few people that actually doesn't hate the new UI? I don't think it looks bad at all. Android apps on Windows also sounds very useful provided it actually works.

In certain areas, it will just take more time or it can work (maybe more in a business or only school work setting).

As some windows, like what is often complained about in games, take up too much space rather than important information, like some of the windows seem more tablet focused than PC focused, where you have more to switch between than everything right there. (not as windows mess as in win10)

Some things that I liked about certain parts of windows 7, just click here and you get into whatever you needed to do.

Windows 10 just complicated things more and made things worse, while sort of looking better and feels uncomplete, which might make windows 11 the "true" windows 10 in my opinon. Although as to be seen, how they add in all the other nonsense or bloat. Also on the topic of privacy and mobile apps, which one would expect more control of the apps on how things run. As currently I still have a problem with apps running in the background when not wanted or told not to. To how they are maybe going to mix or push onedrive into windows, and other apps by them.

 

On the other hand, they could be a big game changer if they wanted, with the store and as an "app store".

In how they handle third party, and if they have like for example discord how you can add servers, just if one could add your own store and some through an API?

 

For example you would get a warning, as one should with not monitored or "free for all" stores, but could be a decent way of adding third parties and it could maybe be carried over to google or apple's stores. Also to manage any data collection and so on, from said apps, as it's one of the main reasons I don't want to install free apps on my PC.

Also microsoft has not been good with this, a lot of things you get opt-in into, or if for example EA games tries to auto opt-in you in their data collection without notifications about it. So can't say these larger companies are good to trust when auto collects information you didn't accept to, ofc this can just be brushed off with the "EULA"...

1 hour ago, GoodBytes said:

New Settings App:

Spoiler

 

APP? But I do like the more mobile and compact version, like on phones.

If its done right... one of the changes that can improve windows by a lot, if it works or if limited and more connection to the internet like the mess of windows 10.

[Chief McGill]

I just watched the official Windows 11 launch and I can't help but cringe at the obvious attempt at making an OS feel like an emotional experience. 

That being said, I love that android apps can run on Windows! (I know there has always been solutions out there, but they felt slow and clunky) Here's to hoping they will run smoother on W11! 

 

What is your favourite new feature? I would like to hear your opinions. Also let the memes flow!

[RejZoR]

Ok, the changes sound quite interesting. For as long as accounts can still be offline only and I can move the stupid centered start menu all the way to the left I'm gonna be fine with rest of changes. I adopted Windows 8 right away despite stupid tiles and that sidebar and while Windows 10 had some idiocies, it's pretty nice and reliable OS to use. Well, minus the stupid languages/regional settings that I'm fighting with or years now, but that has to be some non-US user wanting to use US English thing that puts me in this weird minority or something.

[givingtnt]

Funnily enough, I already had the win11 leak running on bare metal (tr3960x + 2070s) and on windows 10 it said "your pc is not ready"..
But of course, when I go in win11 it's all fine

Also the images on the website in uhd are soooooooooooo ugly lol

[Kilrah]

1 minute ago, givingtnt said:

Funnily enough, I already had the win11 leak running on bare metal (tr3960x + 2070s) and on windows 10 it said "your pc is not ready"..
But of course, when I go in win11 it's all fine

Eh, even Windows 11 can't run Windows 11..

 

[Chris Pratt]

2 hours ago, Energycore said:

Ooh. Interesting. Thanks for sharing the link. Let's see what kind of UI changes they make.

 

The little I've seen of the new UI I actually liked, even though I heard a lot of people disliking it.

 

Edit: LOL they're starting with useless marketing fluff, I think I'll wait for the recaps

They watched Intel's Computex presentation and thought to themselves: "That. The world needs more of that."

[givingtnt]

1 minute ago, Kilrah said:

Eh, even Windows 11 can't run Windows 11..

 

I was wondering if there was just a check to see "I'm I on win11 already? if so then is ok"
But I guess not

I think it just had trouble finding out if my pc had compatibility for TPM within windows10

[Master Disaster]

1 hour ago, Blademaster91 said:

A mobo setting you enable in bios, but it'll be a real pain because a lot of motherboards don't have an onboard TPM module.

They don't need one. Even since MS introduced the TPM requirement for a Windows 10 sticker, pretty much all PCs and Laptops support fTPM. Essentially the UEFI emulates a TPM using its SRAM, all you should need to do is enable Firmware TPM in UEFI.

 

Also its incredibly trivial to swap a few files over from a 10 ISO and have 11 work on unsupported hardware. Its one file from the sources folder and all the 10 boot files apart from the main ESD, once you replaced the 11 files with the 10 files it works on any PC that supports 10.

[Forbidden Wafer]

11 minutes ago, Chris Pratt said:

They watched Intel's Computex presentation and thought to themselves: "That. The world needs more of that."

Intel?

 

[AlexGoesHigh]

Bunch of stuff they are adding, forcing TPM and secure boot as system requirements is bullish AF though. that gonna make dual boot linux setup a PITA to setup now, and that's gonna make a bunch of custom build an annoyance to upgrade, anyways they are also removing a bunch of stuff.

 

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• Cortana will no longer be included in the first boot experience or pinned to the Taskbar.
• Desktop wallpaper cannot be roamed to or from device when signed in with a Microsoft account.
• Internet Explorer is disabled. Microsoft Edge is the recommended replacement and includes IE Mode which may be useful in certain scenarios.
• Math Input Panel is removed. Math Recognizer will install on demand and includes the math input control and recognizer. Math inking in apps like OneNote are not impacted by this change.
• News & Interests has evolved. New functionality has been added which can be found by clicking the Widgets icon on the Taskbar.
• Quick Status from the Lockscreen and associated settings are removed.
• S Mode is only available now for Windows 11 Home edition.
• Snipping Tool continues to be available but the old design and functionality in the Windows 10 version has been replaced with those of the app previously known as Snip & Sketch.
• Start is significantly changed in Windows 11 including the following key deprecations and removals:
  • Named groups and folders of apps are no longer supported and the layout is not currently resizable.
  • Pinned apps and sites will not migrate when upgrading from Windows 10.
  • Live Tiles are no longer available. For glanceable, dynamic content, see the new Widgets feature.
• Tablet Mode is removed and new functionality and capability is included for keyboard attach and detach postures.
• Taskbar functionality is changed including:
  • People is no longer present on the Taskbar.
  • Some icons may no longer appear in the System Tray (systray) for upgraded devices including previous customizations.
  • Alignment to the bottom of the screen is the only location allowed.
  • Apps can no longer customize areas of the Taskbar.
• Timeline is removed. Some similar functionality is available in Microsoft Edge.
• Touch Keyboard will no longer dock and undock keyboard layouts on screen sizes 18 inches and larger.
• Wallet is removed.
• The following apps will not be removed on upgrade but will no longer be installed on new devices or when clean-installing Windows 11. They are available for download from the Store:
  • 3D Viewer
  • OneNote for Windows 10
  • Paint 3D
  • Skype

https://petri.com/it-pros-these-windows-10-features-wont-be-in-windows-11?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Bit surprised they are forcing the taskbar to the bottom now though i never used that feature regardless W11 seems to be a massive UX change which IMO, good thing they named it 11 instead of a update to 10, if it were to release as an update a lot people were going to be confused.

[Murasaki]

Wait a minute.... does 11 have the old mspaint?

[Master Disaster]

6 minutes ago, AlexGoesHigh said:

Bunch of stuff they are adding, forcing TPM and secure boot as system requirements is bullish AF though. that gonna make dual boot linux setup a PITA to setup now, and that's gonna make a bunch of custom build an annoyance to upgrade, anyways they are also removing a bunch of stuff

[DeScruff]

Taskbar is forced to the bottom!?
Okay that does not make me happy. Not at all.

Ive been a Taskbar on top sorta guy for ~10 years now. It just made sense, since tabs are also on top, so swapping between different windows was like swapping through groups of tabs.

[Master Disaster]

5 minutes ago, Murasaki said:

Wait a minute.... does 11 have the old mspaint?

Yep

[AlexGoesHigh]

3 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

that's a laptop though, and i said custom builds everything else made in the last 5 years, at least maybe even more are safe.

[Ydfhlx]

3 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

Microsoft account and internet connectivity required for setup for Windows 11 Home

So, probably staying on Windows 10. Online account is a dealbreaker for me.

 

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DirectStorage requires 1 TB or greater NVMe SSD to store and run games that uses the "Standard NVM Express Controller" driver and a DirectX 12 Ultimate GPU

No NVMe gen 4 requirement??? But instead requires RTX/RDNA2 card. (Edit): Strange, because this article said "Microsoft has said all DirectX 12 compatible hardware will support it", as if it were confirmed, while now it's only DX12 Ultimate.

[Master Disaster]

1 minute ago, AlexGoesHigh said:

that's a laptop though, and i said custom builds everything else made in the last 5 years, at least maybe even more are safe.

I think you missed the point, sorry I probably should have highlighted it.

 

Windows 11 running with Secure Boot disabled

[Cyberspirit]

3 minutes ago, DeScruff said:

Taskbar is forced to the bottom!?
Okay that does not make me happy. Not at all.

Ive been a Taskbar on top sorta guy for ~10 years now. It just made sense, since tabs are also on top, so swapping between different windows was like swapping through groups of tabs.

I was down with Win 11 until now but this is bullshit...

 

 

[Forbidden Wafer]

1 minute ago, Ydfhlx said:

No NVMe gen 4 requirement??? But instead requires RTX/RDNA2 card. Strange.

It is meant to notify the GPU where the texture that should be loaded is in the NVMe, to bypass the CPU/RAM. NVMe Gen4 helps, but isn't really necessary.

[AlexGoesHigh]

1 minute ago, Ydfhlx said:

No NVMe gen 4 requirement??? But instead requires RTX/RDNA2 card. Strange.

Make sense, the consoles are gen 4 but 2x so basically gen 3 @ 4x, the 1TB requirement is annoying since the Series S is half TB with over 100GB taken by the system alone.

[throwaway3224]

Warning:
I disabled CSM and my monitor stopped working. Had to plug in a spare monitor to get into the BIOS and enabled CSM again.

Monitor:
ASUS TUF Gaming VG27AQ HDR Gaming Monitor - 27 Inch WQHD (2560 x 1440), IPS, 155Hz*, ELMB Sync, G-SYNC Compatible, Adaptive-sync, 1 ms (MPRT), HDR10

Spare Monitor:
Dell U2715H 27-Inch Widescreen IPS LED Monitor

 

 

Observation:
Initially, turning on Firmware TPM (Intel PTT) did make tpm.msc and device manager recognise TPM 2.0.

A few reboots later this is no longer the case. tmp.msc says I have no TPM. Device Manager shows TPM with a warning symbol.

I have disabled PTT, clearly it doesn't "just work".

[AlexGoesHigh]

2 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

I think you missed the point, sorry I probably should have highlighted it.

 

Windows 11 running with Secure Boot disabled

ah, ok, but are you dual booting? secure boot makes dual booting linux a PITA and that's what i'm trying to say.

[Master Disaster]

Just now, AlexGoesHigh said:

ah, ok, but are you dual booting? secure boot makes dual booting linux a PITA and that's what i'm trying to say.

Yep though not in the traditional way. I have 11 on the internal SSD then Ubuntu running on a SATA SSD and I use GRUB to choose between Ubuntu or Windows. It works perfectly