Next version of Windows event... Windows 11 -> Ended

[Fetzie]

With the TPM requirement, I guess I'm keeping Windows 10 on this PC. TPM 2.0 modules are anywhere between 50 and 90 euro on Amazon, and I'm not spending that to get Windows 11. Maybe my next motherboard will have it pre-installed.

[Levent]

8 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Not functional on all platforms.  Hmm.. may want a list of what platforms it fails on.  Might matter. It makes sense for microsoft to list the good but not the bad and there was a lot of bad in windows 10.  I expect people will be finding awful bits for some time.  Like that asinine decision to put safe mode beyond all but the most determined reach, or that thing where some relevant monitors just aren’t supported.

I meant the stream in which windows 11 was announced by the way lol. It wouldnt stream the video.

 

[Blademaster91]

2 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

Considering that you need a GPU with DirectX 12, I am starting to believe these minimum specs is more for Microsoft to ensure that Windows 11 doesn't run on old crap system, and doesn't have a poor experience due to lack of hardware support or just lack of performance. In other words, probably avoiding a Vista again.

I can see why Microsoft wouldn't want to support older GPU's, could also be something to do with GPU acceleration and the new animations in Windows 11, but Windows 11 is mostly still Windows 10, so hardware that runs Windows 10 well should be able to run Windows 11.

[OrdinaryPhil]

2 minutes ago, Fetzie said:

With the TPM requirement, I guess I'm keeping Windows 10 on this PC. TPM 2.0 modules are anywhere between 50 and 90 euro on Amazon, and I'm not spending that to get Windows 11. Maybe my next motherboard will have it pre-installed.

I think this is intended to age-out older hardware. Most boards that support intel's i-Series of CPUs all the way back to 2nd and 3rd gen either shipped with TPM 2.0 or can have their firmware updated to support TPM 2.0.

Older chipsets such as the Core2 Quad, or Intel Core-series CPUs will most likely just fall out of support since the boards with those sockets won't support TPM 2.0.

[Kilrah]

7 minutes ago, OrdinaryPhil said:

Most important takeaway was not even spoken about by the presenters; Online Microsoft account REQUIRED for Windwos 11 Home.

Because it's nothing new? Has been there for a couple of years, AND you could always bypass it, same in the leaked build. 

[DeScruff]

2 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

Considering that you need a GPU with DirectX 12, I am starting to believe these minimum specs is more for Microsoft to ensure that Windows 11 doesn't run on old crap system, and doesn't have a poor experience due to lack of hardware support or just lack of performance. In other words, probably avoiding a Vista again.

How far back does one need to go before GPUs no longer support DX12?

Off the top of my head I am pretty sure the HD Radeon 7000 series was the first to support DX12, _{(Long live the HDR 7870!!!)} 
Nvidia it seems to be the Geforce 400 series,
and Intel-Oh....  RIP everything pre Skylake without a dGPU. Looks like my parents Thinkpads aren't going to Win11.

[Bombastinator]

7 minutes ago, Levent said:

I meant the stream in which windows 11 was announced by the way lol. It wouldnt stream the video.

 

Ah.

[Bombastinator]

9 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

I can see why Microsoft wouldn't want to support older GPU's, could also be something to do with GPU acceleration and the new animations in Windows 11, but Windows 11 is mostly still Windows 10, so hardware that runs Windows 10 well should be able to run Windows 11.

Except they’re not letting that happen apparently.   Kinda curious where the break point is.  What video cards have been kicked off windows and are now Linux only for 11?  Might be even some apple compatible stuff in there.  I don’t know.

Edited June 24, 2021 by Bombastinator

[Fetzie]

2 minutes ago, OrdinaryPhil said:

I think this is intended to age-out older hardware. Most boards that support intel's i-Series of CPUs all the way back to 2nd and 3rd gen either shipped with TPM 2.0 or can have their firmware updated to support TPM 2.0.

Older chipsets such as the Core2 Quad, or Intel Core-series CPUs will most likely just fall out of support since the boards with those sockets won't support TPM 2.0.

Or they shipped with a TPM socket but no TPM chip, like a lot of motherboards in the consumer channel do.

[LAwLz]

14 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

Because it's nothing new? Has been there for a couple of years, AND you could always bypass it, same in the leaked build. 

Source?

Also, the leaked build was the Pro version and these news are specifically about the Home version.

 

I think you're not fully understanding what is being said here.

[Kilrah]

6 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

I think you're not fully understanding what is being said here.

What? 

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-create-local-account-during-windows-10-home-setup-process

 

6 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Also, the leaked build was the Pro version and these news are specifically about the Home version.

The leaked build contains all versions including Home.

[Tieox]

I assume then socket 775 era Core2Duo's are not capable of Win11?

[Kilrah]

1 minute ago, Tieox said:

I assume then socket 775 era Core2Duo's are not capable of Win11?

Officially very much no, someone just found out that the compatibility check has a CPU whitelist and anything older than intel 8th gen is not on it. 

That old a system doesn't even have UEFI.

[Tieox]

1 minute ago, Kilrah said:

Officially very much no, someone just found out that the compatibility check has a CPU whitelist and anything older than intel 8th gen is not on it. 

That old a system doesn't even have UEFI.

So an Ivybridge 3300 is also boned then, bloody fantastic Microsoft. 

[OrdinaryPhil]

3 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

What? 

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-create-local-account-during-windows-10-home-setup-process

 

The leaked build contains all versions including Home.

It is presently possible to create an "offline" account in Windows 10 by performing the install while the device is not connected to the Internet.

However, Windows 10 never said that a Microsoft account was required. Windows 11 does.

We don't yet know if an "offline" account will remain an option for Home editions since the demo version shown on stage was the Pro edition and not Home.

[Forbidden Wafer]

9 minutes ago, Tieox said:

So an Ivybridge 3300 is also boned then, bloody fantastic Microsoft. 

 

PS: There is a typo. If you do not meet the soft floor, you will be advised not to update.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windows-11/

[Arika]

Very weird on the system requirements side. I'm assuming that the TPM and the newer processor are just an at launch thing with support for the rest coming later 

[Fetzie]

5 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

Officially very much no, someone just found out that the compatibility check has a CPU whitelist and anything older than intel 8th gen is not on it. 

That old a system doesn't even have UEFI.

This appears to be that list: https://www.xda-developers.com/cpus-compatible-windows-11/

 

Basically nothing older than Intel 8000 series or AMD Ryzen 2000 series.

[Blademaster91]

13 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Except they’re not letting that happen apparently.   Kinda curious where the break point is.  What video cards have been kicked off windows and are now Linux only for 11?  Might be even some apple compatible stuff in there.  I don’t know.

IIRC anything older than the GTX 400 series on Nvidia, and HD7000 series on AMD, old cards but still useful for basic tasks, though PC's running GPU's that old might not have a UEFI bios or TPM anyway.

It might sound tinfoil hat but I wonder if Intel pushed Microsoft to make TPM a requirement so people will be replacing their older PC's, because Microsoft has to be getting Intel money to be saying the 11th gen CPU's are great.

2 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

What? 

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-create-local-account-during-windows-10-home-setup-process

 

The leaked build includes all versions including Home.

Thats for Windows 10, but who knows if the Windows 11 setup is going to be the same, MS has been pushing for online accounts so I wouldn't be surprised if its forced for Win11 home, MS gets all kinds of telemetry especially if someone uses Outlook mail with their Microsoft account.

[OrdinaryPhil]

3 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

Officially very much no, someone just found out that the compatibility check has a CPU whitelist and anything older than intel 8th gen is not on it. 

That seems like something of a self-own from MS. 8th gen and nw CPUs will probably account for only a tiny fraction (far less than 10%) of the total PC marketplace. MS is profoundly stupid in many ways, but even they are not stupid enough to bar 90% of their existing customer base from moving forward with their new product.

I have heard that Windows 11 will feature a new Core/Thread Scheduler intended specifically to take advantage of the new BIG.little architecture. If this is true, than anything older than Intel's yet unreleased 12th gen chips will be opperating with a functional performance penalty.

[Kilrah]

4 minutes ago, OrdinaryPhil said:

MS is profoundly stupid in many ways, but even they are not stupid enough to bar 90% of their existing customer base from moving forward with their new product.

It's obviously going to be to push people to upgrade hardware, and as usual it'll work, they have enough clout to do that and it likely comes with their Intel/AMD partnerships.

[AnonymousGuy]

Anyone wanna TLDR if they did anything about how god-awful audio handling is in Win10?  Like half the time whatever setting you make to redirect a specific app to a different audio device doesn't even work.  Audio devices that you disabled like monitor speakers will constantly re-enable themselves.  Etc. etc.

 

Also this is the worst settings UI design I've ever seen:

 

 

And goes along with pretty much all of Win10's settings menus being designed by complete and utter fucking retards.  Like I shouldn't need to go through 30 different screens just to figure out which one controls turning off a fucking firewall.

 

 

Average people don't need a giant fucking slider to turn on and off remote desktop.  Anyone touching that settings is plenty comfortable with the legacy version.

[Forbidden Wafer]

They're not blocking people using older than 8th gen. They will advise against updating, and that is it. Look at the hard floor requirements, that is what you really need.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windows-11/

[Tieox]

I find it hard to understand why if 11 is just a updated Win10 we cannot run stuff like Core2Duo's on it without a problem? this limitation must be designed to push people out to buy new hardware period! and it's bullshit.

[LAwLz]

29 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

What? 

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-create-local-account-during-windows-10-home-setup-process

My understanding is that they have removed that option now. That it is no longer possible to create a local account even if you unplug your Internet connection during the setup process.

 

29 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

The leaked build contains all versions including Home.

Oh right, my mistake. I don't think the leaked build is representative of the system requirements that may or may not be in the final build though.

If Microsoft has changed their language to now specifically say you NEED to sign up with a Microsoft account and you NEED an active Internet connection for the Home version specifically, then I don't see why you assume they are bullshitting and you can circumvent it.