Hipity hoppity, Is that Music your Property? Ban on music on Facebook Live.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

Summary

Facebook as announced that they will have a zero-tolerance policy on live music, starting October first. This means no church services, bands, or other music groups can stream using Facebook. 

 

Quotes

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You may not use videos on our Products to create a music listening experience

We want you to be able to enjoy videos posted by family and friends. However, if you use videos on our Products to create a music listening experience for yourself or for others, your videos will be blocked and your page, profile or group may be deleted. This includes Live.

 

My thoughts

OK, I get it, but this is stupid. This is most likely caused by the article 13 crap. With this happening, what it YouTube going to do? Will the shareable content world change as me know it?

 

Sources

https://www.facebook.com/legal/music_guidelines

https://www.ministryofsound.com/posts/articles/2020/september/facebook-to-ban-live-streamed-music-events/#:~:text=live stream party.-,From 1st October%2C users will no longer be permitted to,their page or group deleted.

[nick name]

How long did your post title take to think up?

[Helpful Tech Witch]

Just now, nick name said:

How long did your post title take to think up?

Maybe 2 mins. I had the idea when I started, but I couldn't word it right.

[nick name]

Just now, HelpfulTechWizard said:

Maybe 2 mins. I had the idea when I started, but I couldn't word it right.

It made me chuckle.  

[Helpful Tech Witch]

Just now, nick name said:

It made me chuckle.  

Good.

[The_russian]

I’m a little busy to read the article, but are they banning any live music? Even for example a live band with an original song or an orchestra/symphony?

[Helpful Tech Witch]

Just now, The_russian said:

I’m a little busy to read the article, but are they banning any live music? Even for example a live band with an original song or an orchestra/symphony?

Yes. Its a zero tolerance policy on all live music. Maybe even all music.

[gloop]

6 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

Yes. Its a zero tolerance policy on all live music. Maybe even all music.

So, are you still allowed to play music, for example while your playing a game?

[Helpful Tech Witch]

1 minute ago, gloop said:

So, are you still allowed to play music, for example while your playing a game?

Yoc cannot provide a music "listening experience" to a user.

[Ein0r]

It sounds more like it targets music streams in particular, like thos "lofi hip hop music streams". But worded vague enough that they can also just delete any music/copyrighted content like gaming streams that play music inbetween etc.

[Trik'Stari]

I have one question.

 

Why, the

Spoiler

FUCK

Are people still using facebook? It's been a shithole from the beginning.

[LAwLz]

Doesn't seem like there is a zero-tolerance ban on music.

 

The guidelines explicitly says that you can use music if you want to, but you are responsible for making sure the music you use is legal (as in, you have the appropriate licensing to use it the way you use it). Facebook can and will remove your content if you upload unauthorized music.

 

The guidelines also says that you can not use their platform to create a "music listening experience" they might remove that, including if it's live.

So basically, you're not allowed to have a page where you stream music all day, or anything else where it seems like the main purpose is to have people come to the stream/video to listen to music. My guess is that this rule is there because of the legal issues that might arise. Providing a "music listening experience" often requires additional licenses. For example if a restaurant wants to play music for guests in Sweden, they have to pay for a special license called a STIM license. Other countries probably have their own laws which work in a similar manner.

 

Here is the full text of the guidelines for those who want to read them.

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Music Guidelines

These supplemental terms apply if you post or share any videos or other content containing music on any Facebook Products.

You are responsible for the content you post

People use our Products to share content with their family and friends. Keep in mind you remain solely responsible for the content that you post, including any music that features in that content. Nothing in these terms constitutes any authorization by us with respect to any use of music on any of our Products.

Use of music for commercial or non-personal purposes in particular is prohibited unless you have obtained appropriate licenses.

You may not use videos on our Products to create a music listening experience

We want you to be able to enjoy videos posted by family and friends. However, if you use videos on our Products to create a music listening experience for yourself or for others, your videos will be blocked and your page, profile or group may be deleted. This includes Live.

Unauthorized content may be removed

If you post content that contains music owned by someone else, your content may be blocked, or may be reviewed by the applicable rights owner and removed if your use of that music is not properly authorized.

You may not be able to post or access videos containing music in every country of the world

We want you to be able to share videos with your family and friends wherever they are, but any music in your video, if it is allowed at all, may not be available in all countries of the world.

 

 

5 hours ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

This is most likely caused by the article 13 crap. With this happening, what it YouTube going to do? Will the shareable content world change as me know it?

I don't think this has anything to do with article 13.

I think this new policy was created because, as the article on MinistryOfSound says, during this Corona summer it has gotten very popular to livestream music events.

[soldier_ph]

Stop using Facebook. Problem solved. Why doesn't everyone have Spotify at this point ?

 

[poochyena]

Clearly facebook isn't doing this for their own reasons, what would they have to gain? Same as when youtube does this stuff. These companies don't want to block and delete videos with music in them, they are forced to due to copyright laws. They are very wealthy companies, so every copyright lawyer in the world is going to pounce on every single mistake they make, so they have to be extra careful compared to smaller companies.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

15 minutes ago, soldier_ph said:

Stop using Facebook. Problem solved. Why doesn't everyone have Spotify at this point ? Why doesn't everyone have Spotify at this point ?

Old people. Also, a lot of bands use it for preformances. PLus my church did FB live for service. the median age of my church > 50.

[Mark Kaine]

Why is there even any music on "facebook"?

 

7 hours ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

Yes. Its a zero tolerance policy on all live music. Maybe even all music.

FB: NO FUN ALLOWED

 

Spoiler

It was the plan all along...

 

[Kisai]

7 hours ago, The_russian said:

I’m a little busy to read the article, but are they banning any live music? Even for example a live band with an original song or an orchestra/symphony?

Sounds like any "live" or "public" music is being dropped.

 

Twitch is doing the same thing, they recently canned a lot of channels/users for having music in their VOD's/clips and they're ending their Karaoke Revolution-like service.

 

Looks like the music cartel finally managed to break some arms.

[TempestCatto]

7 hours ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

This means no church services

This actually really screws just about every-other Church I've ever done sound, projection, and lighting for. They all use multiple platforms, and Facebook is one of them. For the most part, Facebook has been one of the most viewed platforms because of it being mostly elderly/middle aged people who still have and use FB - so it's just easier for them. YouTube and another third party platform (that I forget the name of) are the other two mostly used streaming services by these particular churches. Makes me think there has to be some kind of exception for religious groups. I mean, there's gotta be a law in some country that forces their hand, right?

[Kisai]

16 minutes ago, TempestCatto said:

This actually really screws just about every-other Church I've ever done sound, projection, and lighting for. They all use multiple platforms, and Facebook is one of them. For the most part, Facebook has been one of the most viewed platforms because of it being mostly elderly/middle aged people who still have and use FB - so it's just easier for them. YouTube and another third party platform (that I forget the name of) are the other two mostly used streaming services by these particular churches. Makes me think there has to be some kind of exception for religious groups. I mean, there's gotta be a law in some country that forces their hand, right?

No Exceptions for Anyone. Nobody will rise up to challenge unjust laws if there are carve outs for for anyone.

 

In an ideal situation, these idiot music, film and game industries would have a proactive/reactive licence model where:

 

a) If I upload something that contains purposeful inclusion of recorded music. YT/Twitch/FB/CB/whatever will pop up a message to the broadcaster saying that "TRACK is owned by ARTIST, represented by RECORDING LABEL", with a prompt to "licence once", "licence always", "mute". Of which then the streaming site will negotiate whatever bulk licencing rate with the recording label to either keep it in the video, and subtract it from earnings on that video, OR, will mute it on the VOD end.

b) If I upload something that contains an incidental use of pre-recorded music (eg the stream has detected less than 10% of the track), same as above but "Claim Fair use" also will appear and the recording label can still disagree, which then gets kicked to an arbitration panel to determine if it's overreach or not and the service should defend it.

c) I could pre-licence a track instead. So if I want to use something I go to the recording label's site, download a "mastering" version which has a digital watermark in it to indicate it's been licenced correctly, and the meta data is kept in the uploaded version for the site to check.

d) If I play an instrument or karaoke a cover version of a music track, then that is up for debate, but synchronisation rights may still be negotiated on behalf of the streaming service.

 

 

The big thing with live performances, is they require rights, and unless the recording label has given that permission in advance, nobody should be exempt from it, because when you let one person get away with it, everyone points to that exempted use as a reason why they should be permitted to do the same.

 

Anyway, no, in general the best way to keep stuff like this from becoming worse, is by just opting out of using commercial music. That sucks for Christian churches who sing covers of Christian songs, but really, they didn't have the licence in the first place. Schools have to pay to use everything too you know.

 

 

[poochyena]

1 hour ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

Old people.

plenty of young people use it too. kinda surprises me how many people under 25 still actively use it.

[williamcll]

Or you could stream on twitch instead.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

Just now, williamcll said:

Or you could stream on twitch instead.

Now im thinking of a church telling people to go to twitch to watch the service.

[Kisai]

2 hours ago, williamcll said:

Or you could stream on twitch instead.

They've already cracked down on that.

https://musically.com/2020/06/08/twitch-music-guidelines-rule-out-dj-sets-without-licences/

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Radio-style music listening shows; karaoke performances (other than those using the Twitch Sings game, with its licensed-for-Twitch catalogue); lip-sync performances, visual music depictions including lyric videos and guitar tabs; and cover song performances EXCEPT live performances in streams (and then, musicians are asked to “please make a good faith effort to perform the song as written by the songwriter, and create all audio elements yourself, without incorporating instrumental tracks, music recordings, or any other recorded elements owned by others”).

 

[pythonmegapixel]

8 hours ago, soldier_ph said:

Stop using Facebook. Problem solved. Why doesn't everyone have Spotify at this point ? Why doesn't everyone have Spotify at this point ?

Because... it's $10/month. Money that not everyone has.

[Trik'Stari]

11 hours ago, soldier_ph said:

Stop using Facebook. Problem solved. Why doesn't everyone have Spotify at this point ? Why doesn't everyone have Spotify at this point ?

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All joking aside, some of us are cheap af, and Youtube music streams are amazing. At least, if you find your way around the lock on the Youtube app that prevents you from playing while the screen is locked.