LG makes flagship phone with 3.5mm of space - LG G9 renders found

[Murasaki]

On 1/4/2020 at 6:26 PM, Curious Pineapple said:

What's all the bullshit with how many cameras a phone has?

Its probably more effective than saying you can browse facebook and instagram with faster hexa core processors. Oh yeah and play candy crush on a smoother frame rate. Innovation man... if theres a gram somewhere to be had with how boring phones are... market the shit out of it!

[TechyBen]

1 hour ago, Murasaki said:

Its probably more effective than saying you can browse facebook and instagram with faster hexa core processors. Oh yeah and play candy crush on a smoother frame rate. Innovation man... if theres a gram somewhere to be had with how boring phones are... market the shit out of it!

To be fair, I despise GUI lag... so the Note 9 vs some other older off brand phone... yeah, I notice the difference in candycrush my poison of choice.

[Bananasplit_00]

Hahaha for a second I thought my next phone would be another LG but nope, notched display

[dizmo]

2 hours ago, Kaloob said:

Car hotspot? I've found those to be useless, just use your phones hotspot, it's not worth paying for another data plan to use it.

....why would he be talking about a car hotspot when we were talking about phones?

[Kilrah]

That was in repsonse to another post about car features, that was brought as a response to an "I don't need this feature so it's stupid" post. 

[Beskamir]

How much longer until manufacturers stop ruining perfectly good screens by cutting holes in them?

[suicidalfranco]

wish i could grab the innards and put them inside the body of the V10

[IhazHedont]

I got a G6 for more than 2 years, and to be honest, I don't see myself replacing it ... yet.

I mean, ok, update wise, LG fucked up big time because most users had to manually do the update and flash the roms, that is a fair point.

 

On the other hand, the G6 is bringing a lot of interesting and useful features while remaining notch free with a decent body ratio.

If I had a samsung S8/S9, I would have had the same opinion though.

[Blademaster91]

On 1/4/2020 at 11:17 AM, TechyBen said:

Space. The space prohibits the lense needed for a large sensor. That and cost. Lots of small sensors cost less than 1 large one.

I'm not asking for a huge APS-C size sensor, however i'd rather have one or two better sensors with zoom than lots of small sensors. Oppo made a 10x zoom phone camera with a periscope like lens, i'm sure the larger OEM's could figure out how to fit a larger sensor.

[Kilrah]

But lots of small sensors are more appropriate in every way, so nobody will do it...

 

BTW the "10x zoom" is as usual a misleading/false claim, the actual optical zoom is only 2-3x and everything after that is cropping.

[Blademaster91]

22 hours ago, dizmo said:

They could, but no one would buy it; Panasonic already tried that.

It also doesn't have wide angle, which many people find incredibly useful. They really don't take up that much space. Have you seen the battery size on newer devices? It's pushing up to 5,000mah which is more than enough for daily use when you factor in more efficient SoCs and fast charging. All while having even more camera modules than ever before.

No one would buy it because marketing more cameras in a phone seems to sell better, and selling people more cameras of course works better than putting R&D into faster CPU's or more room for batteries.

22 hours ago, dizmo said:

Ah yes, the headphone jack. Much loved by a few, that blow the fact it's being phased out out of proportion.

Being phased out because companies want to sell overpriced wireless headphones, and people buying the most popular phones have no other choice.

22 hours ago, dizmo said:

Yes, it's cheap to implement. The cost of the jack is pretty minimal, though even then if you factor it's cost across tens of millions of devices, getting rid of it is still a savings of pretty substantial proportion. That's not the main reason to get rid of it though. It's eliminating a point of failure from the device. Ports are, generally, some of the highest failure rate parts of a phone. Getting rid of it halves the mechanical force failure points. So it's actually raising the overall reliability of the device.

What is the cost compared to cramming more cameras into a phone? A physical 3.5mm port is no more prone to failing than the charging port,and by that logic we should get rid of a physical charging port too, because wireless charging is good enough even though it's terribly inefficient and heats up the battery.

I use both wireless and wired headphones, having a 3.5mm jack is nice if i want to charge and listen,or use a good pair of headphones without needing some adapter cable.

22 hours ago, dizmo said:

Also, funny you should mention the headphone jack, but not point out the fact that it takes up more space for battery than the camera modules do.

It does not, since LG can clearly include a headphone jack, and 4 cameras, OEM's really have no excuse to remove it besides marketing.

[Brooksie359]

20 hours ago, dizmo said:

They could, but no one would buy it; Panasonic already tried that.

It also doesn't have wide angle, which many people find incredibly useful. They really don't take up that much space. Have you seen the battery size on newer devices? It's pushing up to 5,000mah which is more than enough for daily use when you factor in more efficient SoCs and fast charging. All while having even more camera modules than ever before.

 

Ah yes, the headphone jack. Much loved by a few, that blow the fact it's being phased out out of proportion.

Pretty much all of my friends that aren't really into tech don't even care. They just shrug their shoulders, and use the included adapter. Which I've never seen the issue of. If you use your headphones with your phone most, what's it matter if you have to connect an adapter to the end of it? It adds basically nothing to the length of the cable. Afraid you'll lose it? Tape the two ends together. Problem solved.

 

Yes, it's cheap to implement. The cost of the jack is pretty minimal, though even then if you factor it's cost across tens of millions of devices, getting rid of it is still a savings of pretty substantial proportion. That's not the main reason to get rid of it though. It's eliminating a point of failure from the device. Ports are, generally, some of the highest failure rate parts of a phone. Getting rid of it halves the mechanical force failure points. So it's actually raising the overall reliability of the device.

 

Also, funny you should mention the headphone jack, but not point out the fact that it takes up more space for battery than the camera modules do.

Sooo you've gone from cameras to mentioning something completely unrelated? Why?
And yes, using your phone through the cars inbuilt display is very useful. Most cars GPS sucks, and this gets around that.

I've used my WiFi hotspot several times to give internet to friends who run out of data.

Again, just because you don't use it, doesn't mean it's not useful.

The problem I have with no headphone jack is that I use my phone to listen to music while its charging. Also I know quite a few people who aren't techy that are pretty upset about them getting rid of the headphone jack. 

[Brooksie359]

On 1/4/2020 at 11:12 AM, Levent said:

LG is extremely unreliable with their software updates. V20 is a rare treat where they actually released updates more than once. I had a G4 and I swore to never get LG again. That phone only had 6.0 update and literally never received a security update. They are much better off selling their phone department to google.

Tbh I hate android updates about as much as I hate windows updates. I would rather not get them if possible so that sounds fine with me. 

[Levent]

8 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Tbh I hate android updates about as much as I hate windows updates. I would rather not get them if possible so that sounds fine with me. 

well then enjoy your data being dumped, there were significant security issues between android 5 and 7 also, major android upgrades really refresh your user experience somewhat increases your phones life. If you dont like updates, I suggest you to get a Symbian S60 phone from 2001 or an LG android phone.

[thechinchinsong]

21 hours ago, dizmo said:

Again, just because you don't use it, doesn't mean it's not useful.

Don't want to take things out of context, but IMO, same goes for the headphone jack.

[Brooksie359]

3 hours ago, Levent said:

well then enjoy your data being dumped, there were significant security issues between android 5 and 7 also, major android upgrades really refresh your user experience somewhat increases your phones life. If you dont like updates, I suggest you to get a Symbian S60 phone from 2001 or an LG android phone.

Honestly not concerned about data seeing as I have no data worth protecting on my phone and the likelyhood of my phone being targeted seems low. As far as android updating user experience I would disagree. I hate change and would prefer that they change nothing that way I dont have to fiddle with figuring things out again. 

[kokakolia]

On 1/5/2020 at 7:54 PM, Murasaki said:

Its probably more effective than saying you can browse facebook and instagram with faster hexa core processors. Oh yeah and play candy crush on a smoother frame rate. Innovation man... if theres a gram somewhere to be had with how boring phones are... market the shit out of it!

I mostly agree with you since I don't play mobile games except for Hearthstone (which isn't demanding). But the budget phone market has seen a huge bump in performance, and increasingly people want to know if they can play Fortnite and PUBG (which are very demanding games). In that regard the Xiaomi Redmi Note 8 Pro is damn impressive at around $200. It uses a Mediatek G90T chip which offers a bigger bang for your buck than your Snapdragon equivalent. I know you don't care at all, but it's no small feat.

[Murasaki]

4 hours ago, kokakolia said:

I mostly agree with you since I don't play mobile games except for Hearthstone (which isn't demanding). But the budget phone market has seen a huge bump in performance, and increasingly people want to know if they can play Fortnite and PUBG (which are very demanding games). In that regard the Xiaomi Redmi Note 8 Pro is damn impressive at around $200. It uses a Mediatek G90T chip which offers a bigger bang for your buck than your Snapdragon equivalent. I know you don't care at all, but it's no small feat.

That's true. I bought a Huawei P9 Lite a few years back and now im with a P20 Lite thats better, has more features and cost the same. However this thread is about a flagship device which I couldn't indeed care less about.

[Yogi_DaBear221]

See I'd be very interested in it, but I was one of the people who was hit with the Bootloop issue on my LG V10(May it Rest in Peace) and because of the rubber backing having peeled off, I wasn't able to Warranty it. So if that is a non-issue on the newer devices, once my S9+ has run its course I may switch back to something like an LG.

[RonnieOP]

On 1/4/2020 at 12:03 PM, dizmo said:

Just because you don't use them, doesn't make them pointless. You can have multiple cameras without having less quality. It's not one or the other.

Bad comparison, I'd much rather have push button start, as would most people I know

To each their own. Push button starts are completely pointless to me. All it does is add more points of failure that are more expensive to fix. It doesnt really offer anything positive except not having to put a key in the ignition....which takes very very very little effort as is.

 

But i dont see how any of this is comparable to losing a headphone jack. Most people dont use wireless headphones and many dont like it.  And its easier/cheaper to get wired headphones.

[WereCatf]

On 1/6/2020 at 3:31 PM, Blademaster91 said:

I'm not asking for a huge APS-C size sensor, however i'd rather have one or two better sensors with zoom than lots of small sensors.

I'm not sure I understand why you care how many sensors there are as long as you get good pictures. At least I couldn't give any less of a fuck about it, I just want it to take as good pictures as possible in whatever conditions I happen to be in at any given time, and how the phone manages to do that is entirely irrelevant to me.

[pzspah]

Too bad LG phones arent more popular, my G6 had a better camera than my note9. Better sound too. 

[dizmo]

3 hours ago, RonnieOP said:

To each their own. Push button starts are completely pointless to me. All it does is add more points of failure that are more expensive to fix. It doesnt really offer anything positive except not having to put a key in the ignition....which takes very very very little effort as is.

 

But i dont see how any of this is comparable to losing a headphone jack. Most people dont use wireless headphones and many dont like it.  And its easier/cheaper to get wired headphones.

Not really, push button start really isn't that different than the key mechanism itself.

It adds functionality. In newer vehicles, you can use your phone as a key. Or a smartcard.

If you're a woman, you can simply leave the keys in your purse, which adds to your safety; you don't have to fumble looking for them in the dark, you simply open the door, start the car, and go.

 

True, but there's many more that simply don't care, and will use the adapter.

[TetraSky]

Flat display? GOOD.

Can't even put a screen protector on my samsung, even got one of the "curved" ones, nope, it bulge out on the sides, simply doesn't adhere properly... Sure it's not really needed, but considering I managed to scratch my screen somehow regardless, I'd like the option, thanks.

[dizmo]

19 hours ago, Beskamir said:

How much longer until manufacturers stop ruining perfectly good screens by cutting holes in them?

This year. Or next, if you don't want to jump in with the first batch of under display cameras.

3 hours ago, Blademaster91 said:

No one would buy it because marketing more crappier cameras in a phone seems to sell better, and selling people more cameras of course works better than putting R&D into faster CPU's or more room for batteries.

 

Being phased out because companies want to sell overpriced wireless headphones, and people buying the most popular phones have no other choice.

 

What is the cost compared to cramming more cameras into a phone? A physical 3.5mm port is no more prone to failing than the charging port,and by that logic we should get rid of a physical charging port too, because wireless charging is good enough even though it's terribly inefficient and heats up the battery.

 

I use both wireless and wired headphones, having a 3.5mm jack is nice if i want to charge and listen,or use a good pair of headphones without needing some adapter cable.

 

It does not, since LG can clearly include a headphone jack, and 4 cameras, OEM's really have no excuse to remove it besides marketing.

...because the companies that make phones totally have a part in manufacturing SoCs, right? Oh wait. They're not Qualcomm. A majority of them also don't do their own battery tech, and the companies that do, are researching ways to increase battery capacity. It doesn't happen over night, and you don't dump all your resources into a single aspect of any device.

 

Or, you know. Just use the adapter included in the box There's lots of affordable wireless headphones out there as well. Doesn't sound good enough for you? Then you're probably someone who will pay the money for something better anyway.

 

You're missing the point. The fact is you're halving the possible points of failure.

More cameras give the phone greater ability. You retain all the ability the phone had before with a simple adapter if you remove the headphone jack. You can't add the features the camera modules give.

 

Right, it is. It also ads complexity to the device, a point of failure, both of which are remedied by simply using the adapter. It's pretty obvious why they'd rather steer you to the adapter.

 

What phone? It's likely either a much larger body, or the battery isn't that large.

2 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

The problem I have with no headphone jack is that I use my phone to listen to music while its charging. Also I know quite a few people who aren't techy that are pretty upset about them getting rid of the headphone jack. 

Yeahhhh that's a pretty niche case though. Like, charge your phone at night...and if you need to charge it during the day, just live without music for the 30 or so minutes it takes most phones to charge *shrugs* As we move forward, it seems like it's less and less of an issue.