Tesla Unveils - Semi Truck and next-gen Roadster

[handymanshandle]

2 minutes ago, Cookybiscuit said:

Which is why they make no sense in a market where people buy that type of car because of the way it drives. Plus, your average Porsche or Ferrari owner isn't going to take any bullshit when it comes to quality control, something Tesla has suffered with a lot.

I want Mazda to bring back the Mazdaspeed6 with a turbo'd V6 or naturally aspirated V8 even though Mazda doesn't exactly go for speed they go for spirit and experience of driving. I mean if they wanted why not do a supercharged I-4

[Bigbootyjudy]

1 minute ago, vorticalbox said:

sorry my reply was misleading, very badly worded.

 

I meant have they actually done anything where they didn't just go full out.

 

I've really not followed they products so asking out of interest.

True. I feel the same in the sense that if you don't have a lot of money or if you don't even know about what products they have then tesla isn't for you. The thing though is that tesla is marketing more toward the high-end market and not the cheaper alternatives like Ford, subaru, nissan, etc.

[mr moose]

Hmmm,  better than a train?  I wonder if that holds true if they put a battery bank on a train. 

 

Any way,  that roadster does have some curves.

[Phate.exe]

Just now, Cookybiscuit said:

Which is why they make no sense in a market where people buy that type of car because of the way it drives. Plus, your average Porsche or Ferrari owner isn't going to take any bullshit when it comes to quality control, something Tesla has suffered with a lot.

I mean you can totally make them interesting, the problem is that most hybrids and EV's have been appliances.  There have been a number of fast EV conversions (basically anything EV West builds) and the Rimac Concept One is incredible.

It's also a million dollars, and the new Tesla roadster is claiming to completely stomp it for a quarter the price?

 

I'm hesitant to buy tesla's numbers here.  It seems like they would have to have made some serious advancements to motor/battery and tire tech just to make a car like that possible, and I feel like they'd be shouting about that a lot more if that was the case.

 

Not even getting into whether or not it's a horrible idea to actually put people in high 8-second cars on the street.

[mr moose]

12 minutes ago, Phate.exe said:

 

Not even getting into whether or not it's a horrible idea to actually put people in high 8-second cars on the street.

 

[Phate.exe]

1 minute ago, mr moose said:

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Dude once this thing comes out cars and coffee fail videos are gonna become amazing/tragic.

 

[MyName13]

They haven't even released the model 3...

[cluelessgenius]

man that roadster does look good 

but in an electric car and in that price range i wouldve hoped the roof would somehow slide back automagically

[leadeater]

6 hours ago, aubryscully said:

-"nuclear bomb proof" glass

Prove it 

[tsk]

That Roadster is damn slick, I might buy it when it comes. Any ETA?

[AlwaysFSX]

17 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Prove it 

I bet the asterisk is that it'll survive the impact from a Fat Man dropped at a height of ten feet.

[leadeater]

5 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

I bet the asterisk is that it'll survive the impact from a Fat Man dropped at a height of ten feet.

So roughly 10 Megatons of TNT then.

[AlwaysFSX]

33 minutes ago, leadeater said:

So roughly 10 Megatons of TNT then.

Give or take a case.

[79wjd]

6 hours ago, 8uhbbhu8 said:

That roadster though...  GIMME!!!!! *looks at price* *runs for the hills*

I'd much rather have a 911 turbo s. There's more to a fast car than just performance. How it sounds is also extremely important. Although I'd still love to test drive it.

 

I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but what is the battery expectancy? Batteries deteriorate over time and the semis will see a lot more battery use than an average sedan.

[Smoofie]

Emission friendly isn't eco friendly tho, especially when  it's coals powering the charge points and required materials for the batteries are also not mined in what one would say an eco friendly environment. I also cant imagine a hundred trucks are more economic than a single train, when it comes to containers.

 

[Phate.exe]

9 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but what is the battery expectancy? Batteries deteriorate over time and the semis will see a lot more battery use than an average sedan.

Not just that, how much current does this thing pull at full throttle?

 

With this amount of power, they've gotta either be running super high voltages, or they've some seriously thick cables (more likely, solid copper busbar).

[Real_PhillBert]

I'd like to see Tesla follow through on some of their previous promises before I put stock in any new ones.

 

How's that Model 3 coming? Produced 260 compared to the goal of 1500 in the third quarter of 2017. 

 

Also those numbers about the roadster seem fishy. Electric motors develop less and less torque as they spin faster and faster. This is why you generally see electric cars being very quick, but not particularly fast. But his claims are to have achieved both. Curious. 

[ThePointblank]

7 hours ago, mariushm said:

You may not have "fuel stations" every 400-500 miles, so you may be forced to top-up after only 250 miles or something like that. so you could end up charging 2-3 times a day, taking out more than 1 and a half hours of your day.

As far as I learned from youtube truckers, there's strict regulations like maximum hours of driving, 30 min breaks, obligatory 14 hours of break or something like that every so many hours of driving. Some truckers also have to stop at sunset, not being allowed to carry certain materials during night, or for other reasons so  i guess multiple top-ups would eat into their daily driving time.

 

Same reason why i can imagine not being attractive for companies that distribute stuff on small distances. You probably have a driver paid for 8-10h daily shifts and he fills up the tank when he leaves the yard and that's enough for whole day, but that's no longer valid with this Tesla due to its 500mile limit.. with diesel he doesn't have to go out of his routes to find a charging station and charge 2 or more times a day. Oh not to mention there's no guarantee whatever charge station he arrives at will actually have a charge point available for him .. he may have to wait 15-30m for another truck to finish charging, just like you would with regular trucks these days (you wait, but you also fill the tank in minutes, not 30 minutes).

I can see drayage trucking companies interested in this. Moving containers to an from a port or rail yard to a warehouse to be unloaded or loaded. Usually, it can be fairly short distances, but I've seen drayage trucks pull a container to a destination a fairly long distance to a final destination. And at times, the trucks can be sitting idle at the yard waiting for the container to be ready.

[Misanthrope]

I'm skeptical of their 500 mile range claim: Is that only the unit? With a full cargo load (2 semis) or otherwise the max 40 ton weight being pulled? Even if it's the same weight different types of loads usually yield different fuel economies, etc.

[Matu20]

Very glad to see Tesla trying to disrupt different sectors.

[Phate.exe]

1 hour ago, Real_PhillBert said:

Also those numbers about the roadster seem fishy. Electric motors develop less and less torque as they spin faster and faster. This is why you generally see electric cars being very quick, but not particularly fast. But his claims are to have achieved both. Curious. 

Yeah, I'm interested in some more detail specs for sure.

[vetali]

1 hour ago, Real_PhillBert said:

I'd like to see Tesla follow through on some of their previous promises before I put stock in any new ones.

 

How's that Model 3 coming? Produced 260 compared to the goal of 1500 in the third quarter of 2017. 

 

Also those numbers about the roadster seem fishy. Electric motors develop less and less torque as they spin faster and faster. This is why you generally see electric cars being very quick, but not particularly fast. But his claims are to have achieved both. Curious. 

Gotta keep shareholders interested somehow if you keep missing milestones. I'm really shocked that hasn't hit Tesla in the ass yet. They seem to unveil stuff during the early planning or even idea phase, get people hyped up, and then it takes years for something to come of it. Like you said... we're still waiting on a Model 3.

 

This overly ambitious attitude without delivering would've sank any other company. 

[Real_PhillBert]

Just now, vetali said:

Gotta keep shareholders interested somehow if you keep missing milestones. I'm really shocked that hasn't hit Tesla in the ass yet. They seem to unveil stuff during the early planning or even idea phase, get people hyped up, and then it takes years for something to come of it. Like you said... we're still waiting on a Model 3.

 

This overly ambitious attitude without delivering would've sank any other company. 

100% agree.

 

It's not just the model 3, where's that hyperloop? Low earth orbit travel?

 

I think this is a clever plan with two goals:

 

1) Distract shareholders from the chaos that is the model 3 production.

 

2) Bring in a bit of immediate cash to keep the company afloat for a bit longer.

 

I've read a few economic articles about TSLA stock, and most are referring it to a "Cult" stock at this point, not a commodity. Very interesting to watch.

[vetali]

2 minutes ago, Real_PhillBert said:

I've read a few economic articles about TSLA stock, and most are referring it to a "Cult" stock at this point, not a commodity. Very interesting to watch.

I read that when their stock dipped earlier this summer. Its 100% true. Daddy Musk can do no wrong to them.

[dizmo]

7 hours ago, mr moose said:

Hmmm,  better than a train?  I wonder if that holds true if they put a battery bank on a train. 

 

Any way,  that roadster does have some curves.

Electrifying freight trains isn't economically viable, so it'll likely not happen for many many, many years. 

7 hours ago, Phate.exe said:

I mean you can totally make them interesting, the problem is that most hybrids and EV's have been appliances.  There have been a number of fast EV conversions (basically anything EV West builds) and the Rimac Concept One is incredible.

 

It's also a million dollars, and the new Tesla roadster is claiming to completely stomp it for a quarter the price?

 

I'm hesitant to buy tesla's numbers here.  It seems like they would have to have made some serious advancements to motor/battery and tire tech just to make a car like that possible, and I feel like they'd be shouting about that a lot more if that was the case.

 

Not even getting into whether or not it's a horrible idea to actually put people in high 8-second cars on the street.

To be fair, Tesla is likely a much larger company backed by a much richer man. This company is likely aimed at a very niche market, only have the capacity to produce a few vehicles, and as such have to charge a much higher figure to reach profitability.