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More Ryzen 3000 info - 4.5GHZ boost & +10-15% IPC

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https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-3000-15-percent-ipc-uplift-4-5-ghz-x570-pcie-gen-4-40-lanes/

 

Seems like our friends at WCCFTech has posted more info about the Ryzen 3000 series based on 2 sources (Motherboard manufacturers). Both talk about a 10-15% IPC improvement which I really hope is true, especially for gamers as this is where they have been lacking the most. They also added more PCI-e lanes for a total of 40 PCIe Gen 4 lanes and upgraded the memory controller for better compatibility and increased speeds.

 

I little more on how they did this:

 

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AMD has made significant changes to their CPU architecture which help deliver twice the throughput of their first generation Zen architecture. The major points include an entirely redesigned execution pipeline, major floating point advances which doubled the floating point registers to 256-bit and double bandwidth for load/store units. One of the key upgrades for Zen 2 is the doubling of the core density which means we are now looking at 2x the core count for each core complex (CCX).

  • Improved Execution Pipeline
  • Doubled Floating Point (256-bit) and Load/Store (Doubled Bandwidth)
  • Doubled Core Density
  • Half the Energy Per Operation
  • Improved Branch Prediction
  • Better Instruction Pre-Fetching
  • Re-Optimized Instruction Cache
  • Larger Op Cache
  • Increased Dispatch / Retire Bandwidth
  • Maintaining High Throughput for All Modes


 

 

 

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The launch window is pointing towards early July which is in line with the 7/7 speculations.

 

 

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1 minute ago, ouroesa said:

 

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Someone flunked middle school math...

 

Because doing the math, we got 520 PCIe lanes and 516 SATA ports according to this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I can't afford that many NVMe drives and GPUs.

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3 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Someone flunked middle school math...

 

Because doing the math, we got 520 PCIe lanes and 516 SATA ports according to this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I can't afford that many NVMe drives and GPUs.

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2 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Someone flunked middle school math...

 

Because doing the math, we got 520 PCIe lanes and 516 SATA ports according to this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I can't afford that many NVMe drives and GPUs.

WCCFTech are doing their best ok

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1 minute ago, Dabombinable said:

The superscript numbers refer to extra details at the bottom of the page.

I'm fully aware. And the superscripting was done incorrectly. You do not superscript with numbers in your equations.

 

1 minute ago, floofer said:

WCCFTech are doing their best ok

No, not okay. They're not making enough shit up.

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Apparently this is how the lanes will be utilised:

 

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with 16 lanes dedicated to PCIe Gen 4 expansion slots (8+4+4), 8 USB 3.1 Gen 2, 4 USB 2.0, 3 SATA ports (4+4+4_ and an x4 Gen 4 PCIe Uplink port. The rest of the PCIe Gen 4 expansion would run over the CPU lanes.

 

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24 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

 

No, not okay. They're not making enough shit up.

It is WCCFTech, they probably are.

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4.5Ghz boost... ok, may be 4.8Ghz overclocked

anyone think there are some hidden agreements that amd cant make chips faster than intel?

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I might consider this if AMD keeps to their promise of supporting it on the AM4 socket and it works on my X370 board.  Then I would sell off my 1800X

 

 

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33 minutes ago, dgsddfgdfhgs said:

4.5Ghz boost... ok, may be 4.8Ghz overclocked

anyone think there are some hidden agreements that amd cant make chips faster than intel?

Oh no, their first attempt at a chiplet design is only within 10% of a 9700k. What a travesty.

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Gonna be real awkward if this keeps up...the Intel rep [me] at my location might end up with a '3920x' instead of whatever is replacing core i9 come 2020.

If it does exactly the same thing for like half the cost and is more upgradeable....

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1 hour ago, dgsddfgdfhgs said:

4.5Ghz boost... ok, may be 4.8Ghz overclocked

anyone think there are some hidden agreements that amd cant make chips faster than intel?

oof boy... are you serious?

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1 hour ago, dgsddfgdfhgs said:

4.5Ghz boost... ok, may be 4.8Ghz overclocked

anyone think there are some hidden agreements that amd cant make chips faster than intel?

No, because that's idiotic. You're comparing a third gen to a ninth gen architecture. If Intel had refined theirs to clock faster when they're 6 steps ahead, it would be incredibly embarrassing.

 

Intel's 3rd generation of the Core processors stayed under 4GHz.

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1 hour ago, dgsddfgdfhgs said:

4.5Ghz boost... ok, may be 4.8Ghz overclocked

anyone think there are some hidden agreements that amd cant make chips faster than intel?

Because clock speeds mean everything lol. Also I hope you are joking

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32 minutes ago, ouroesa said:

AMD-Ryzen-3000-X570-Motherboard-With-PCIe-Gen-4.0-Interface-1-1030x224.jpg.c032484ba3947e1c8e85d335500e44f4.jpg

According to the Chinese Source:

 

⁴= shared between PCIe and S-ATA

That means that the 4+4 PCIe can be either 4 PCIe OR 4 S-ATA.

What ¹ means I don't know. But I bet that it might be something important/interesting. 


The Ryzen CPU should have already 32 Lanes but only 20 can be used, +4 for the Chipset, the other 8 are not connected with AM4.

So AM4 is the limiting factor...

Though it might be possible to get more lanes through the Socket...

Haven't looked at it.

 

You might want to add that information ;)

Just now, dgsddfgdfhgs said:

4.5Ghz boost... ok, may be 4.8Ghz overclocked

anyone think there are some hidden agreements that amd cant make chips faster than intel?

No, the Original Chinese Source, google Translated, reads as that might be the base clock...

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3 hours ago, ouroesa said:

Seems like our friends at WCCFTech

Sorry to tell ya, But 99.99% of the population are not friends with any "news" media company

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19 minutes ago, Arika S said:

that's pretty funny

At least someone picked up on that...

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If it's flagship part boosting to 4.5Ghz with another 200-300Mhz in the tank allowing 4.7-4.8Ghz overclocks on average I will certainly be happy, combined with the 10% + IPC gain that will be a handy performance uplift from Zen+. Not expecting more than that.

 

On the other hand if it's 4.5Ghz maxed out that will be disappointing.

 

For comparison by moving from 14nm to 7nm the maximum clock speeds of Vega improved by about 20%. Talking about common max overclocks here comparing the Vega 64 to Radeon 7. Now Ryzen also is moving from 14nm to 7nm. If they achieve that same 20% uplift in max clocks for Zen2 vs Zen+ that means many overclockers will be able to hit 5Ghz on Zen2. Although personally I would be happy if they achieve 15% uplift and that's what I expect.

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3 hours ago, TacoSenpai said:

Then I would sell off my 1800X

This is something I don't think many are considering. In the next 12 months the used market will be absolutely flooded with dirt cheap 1600s and 2600s. Building a Ryzen PC will get even more ridiculously cheap.

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I like how everyone was shitting on me for saying I would be happy for a 10% IPC increase saying that was way too low because of the node shrink...everyone was like "Oh yeah 5GHz is totally possible and they'll do it because of AMD's 50th anniversary!" xD

 

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Hoping for that 5Ghz

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This sounds quite literally hot. Hope it's not an Intel level thermal disaster

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I like how everyone was shitting on me for saying I would be happy for a 10% IPC increase saying that was way too low because of the node shrink...everyone was like "Oh yeah 5GHz is totally possible and they'll do it because of AMD's 50th anniversary!" xD

5GHz aren't off the table.

Look at the Link I provided. To the Chinese Site.

The Translation looks like the "normal Frequency" is 4,5GHz. That could be seen as the Base frequency.

 

Still I found it weird that they are talking about 40 PCIe lanes :|

but 15% on top of last gen (2700x) + lower power consumption + more cores + a bit higher frequency.

 

My last expectations were around 1GHz on my Ryzen 7/1700x -> ~3,5GHz Base, 3,9GHz max Boost (2 Core, probably short period).

And that one looks like its in that ballpark..

 

Remember the 3GHz Ryzen Test Samples??

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2 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

According to the Chinese Source:

 

⁴= shared between PCIe and S-ATA

That means that the 4+4 PCIe can be either 4 PCIe OR 4 S-ATA.

What ¹ means I don't know. But I bet that it might be something important/interesting. 


The Ryzen CPU should have already 32 Lanes but only 20 can be used, +4 for the Chipset, the other 8 are not connected with AM4.

So AM4 is the limiting factor...

Though it might be possible to get more lanes through the Socket...

Haven't looked at it.

 

You might want to add that information ;)

No, the Original Chinese Source, google Translated, reads as that might be the base clock...

 

Ignoring the incredibly dubious accuracy of Google translate, I have trouble believing that. That would put the base clock higher than the normal boost clock of any current Ryzen or Threadripper CPU and a full 800MHz higher than the highest base clock on current Ryzen processors (700MHz over the best base clock for Threadripper as well). 4.5GHz boost on some of the chips is easy to believe and might even mean 5GHz is possible on watercooling, on some chips. A 4.5GHz base clock would likely mean boost clocks of, at least, 4.8-5.0GHz. I would love that to be true, but its a huge change from the current limits of any Ryzen or Threadripper chip.

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