Updated: Intel Removes Intel Power Gadget Utility Download Amidst MacBook Pro Controversy

[Christophe Corazza]

Burying your head in the sand sure is one way to solve the problem.

 

Wonder if it’s Intel or Apple that’s going to get the blame by the end of this

[DrMacintosh]

2 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Something's really fishy, not just with Apple, but with Intel.

Something's telling me that there's a LOT of really bad shit going on with both.

Yeah, most likely both parties are involved in some way.

[D13H4RD]

You know, part of me thinks there's a bug somewhere. 

 

But wouldn't they have said something? 

[GilmourD]

1 minute ago, Christophe Corazza said:

Burying your head in the sand sure is one way to solve the problem.

It's been working super well for Gibson Brands Inc. and the fact that their QC on $3000+ guitars absolutely blows.

 

How's that giant bankruptcy going, Henry Juskiewicz?

[Tech Enthusiast]

49 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Something people aren’t realizing is that the news about the “thermal throttling” in the new 15” Core i9 MacBook Pro also reflects badly on Intel. 

 

Doesnt matter we know who is actually at fault for causing the CPU to throttle, Intels name is associated with the bad press. 

 

This could just as easily be an Intel decision as it could be Apple lobbying for Intel to do it. 

The same CPU is getting great praise and benches in other machines tho.

 

I agree, Intel's name is in there, but I have yet to see a single news report claiming it is intels fault.

Tho, I would not be shocked to see such a claim from one of the more hardcore fanboy driven Apple pages. ;-)

 

Yeah, most likely both parties are involved in some way.

 

And just before i read page two, it actually starts. I can't believe this.

BOTH parties?

Seriously?!

 

The same chip is working fine and flawlessly unless it is used by Apple. Don't even start to put the blame on Intel for this. It is Apple, only Apple and 100% Apple. Intel has NO SAYING whatsoever in the design of MacBooks.

[GilmourD]

2 minutes ago, Rattenmann said:

The same CPU is getting great praise and benches in other machines tho.

 

I agree, Intel's name is in there, but I have yet to see a single news report claiming it is intels fault.

Tho, I would not be shocked to see such a claim from one of the more hardcore fanboy driven Apple pages. ;-)

It's not the writers that are blaming Intel. It's the readers that only know enough to get into trouble not but not enough to completely comprehend.

[D13H4RD]

2 minutes ago, Rattenmann said:

The same CPU is getting great praise and benches in other machines tho.

Depends on the machine 

 

There's a fair number of them with problems related to heat 

[Tech Enthusiast]

5 minutes ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

Depends on the machine 

 

There's a fair number of them with problems related to heat 

Why would anyone blame Intel for companies that use a high power part in a laptop?

You could put the i9 in your phone, and probably it would just explode,... but would you blame Intel for that?

[juri-han]

yes its only on apple for putting a 45w cpu inside a machine that is built for 45w cpus.... no some of the blame is on intel and they even know their chips run to hot or they wouldnt be thinking about going back to solder lmao

 

ps. im not ignoring apple ether they should of tested the i9 and said NOPE and never put it in, that was ether lazy or greedy to charge your userbase a extra $300 for something that is actually WORSE? i'd love to see if the 6 core i7 has issues too 

[Vanderburg]

7 hours ago, JoostinOnline said:

How is that ironic?

It's like rain on your wedding day. It's the free life when you've already paid. It's the good advice that you just didn't take.

[Zodiark1593]

7 minutes ago, juri-han said:

yes its only on apple for putting a 45w cpu inside a machine that is built for 45w cpus.... no some of the blame is on intel and they even know their chips run to hot or they wouldnt be thinking about going back to solder lmao

 

ps. im not ignoring apple ether they should of tested the i9 and said NOPE and never put it in, that was ether lazy or greedy to charge your userbase a extra $300 for something that is actually WORSE? i'd love to see if the 6 core i7 has issues too 

Not sure if you realize, but mobile-specific CPUs run a bare die. No place for solder to go unless Apple feels like soldering the heat pipe to the CPU themselves. 

[Guest]

7 hours ago, WereCatf said:

I would say no. I'm like 99% certain that this is Apple telling Intel to remove the download, just to make it a little bit more work for people to verify this insane throttling. Basically, it's your typical knee-jerk damage-control.

I don't think it's Apple, because there are many first-party and app store utilities that can do this already. Remember this also happened in other i9 notebooks (Apple's is a bit worse though). It kinda makes it look like Intel is doing something a bit funny, but it could be Apple too. 

[PeterBocan]

13 minutes ago, juri-han said:

yes its only on apple for putting a 45w cpu inside a machine that is built for 45w cpus.... no some of the blame is on intel and they even know their chips run to hot or they wouldnt be thinking about going back to solder lmao

 

ps. im not ignoring apple ether they should of tested the i9 and said NOPE and never put it in, that was ether lazy or greedy to charge your userbase a extra $300 for something that is actually WORSE? i'd love to see if the 6 core i7 has issues too 

No. 45W is a TDP on a base clock. On Turbo Boost you are looking on 2-2,5x larger TDP. Intel makes Core i5, i7 in a ULV fashion, but not i9. So Apple should have been looking at 22W Intel Core i7, not to upper side.

[leadeater]

38 minutes ago, juri-han said:

yes its only on apple for putting a 45w cpu inside a machine that is built for 45w cpus.... no some of the blame is on intel and they even know their chips run to hot or they wouldnt be thinking about going back to solder lmao

 

ps. im not ignoring apple ether they should of tested the i9 and said NOPE and never put it in, that was ether lazy or greedy to charge your userbase a extra $300 for something that is actually WORSE? i'd love to see if the 6 core i7 has issues too 

You know in every video that the Intel power tool also shows how much power the CPU is using right? TDP != Power Draw ever for CPUs, never has meant that.

 

 

Yes that is over 80W.

 

And yes the i7 has similar problems but much less of an issue so actually in many cases performs better than the i9

[Dabombinable]

2 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Something people aren’t realizing is that the news about the “thermal throttling” in the new 15” Core i9 MacBook Pro also reflects badly on Intel. 

 

Doesnt matter we know who is actually at fault for causing the CPU to throttle, Intels name is associated with the bad press. 

 

This could just as easily be an Intel decision as it could be Apple lobbying for Intel to do it. 

How? It is extremely clear that Apple, just like it is with all the other OEM trying to cram the Core i9 into ultrabook chassis, is the company at fault. And Apple is only throttling by temperature not TDP which makes the problem even worse.

[juri-han]

32 minutes ago, leadeater said:

You know in every video that the Intel power tool also shows how much power the CPU is using right? TDP != Power Draw ever for CPUs, never has meant that.

 

 

Yes that is over 80W.

 

And yes the i7 has similar problems but much less of an issue so actually in many cases performs better than the i9

i know if you disable 2 cores on the i9 you get better performance so only makes sense the i7 does better but is it any better then last years 7920hq? (witch is what i have and it stays at around 2.8-3 even blasting it with prime 95)

 

i didn't know the i9 started sucking that much power, point still stands apple should not of put that in a mabook and intel's 6 core coffee lake is just kaby lake with 2 extra cores and the i9s are rebranded xeons to keep up with ryzen..... so blame both more so apple in this case but intel is just as greedy

[leadeater]

6 minutes ago, juri-han said:

i know if you disable 2 cores on the i9 you get better performance so only makes sense the i7 does better but is it any better then last years 7920hq? (witch is what i have and it stays at around 2.8-3 even blasting it with prime 95)

Yea the i7 model is actually pretty good, throttles as well but not nearly as much and gets basically the same CB scores as the i9 model if you run them multiple times consecutively.

[Zodiark1593]

4 minutes ago, juri-han said:

i know if you disable 2 cores on the i9 you get better performance so only makes sense the i7 does better but is it any better then last years 7920hq? (witch is what i have and it stays at around 2.8-3 even blasting it with prime 95)

 

i didn't know the i9 started sucking that much power, point still stands apple should not of put that in a mabook and intel's 6 core coffee lake is just kaby lake with 2 extra cores and the i9s are rebranded xeons to keep up with ryzen..... so blame both more so apple in this case but intel is just as greedy

Can't pin the blame on Intel for this at all. Even if it is to keep up with Ryzen, Intel's means of adding more cores is every bit as valid as what AMD has done, and to be fair, I sincerely doubt a 6-core Ryzen cpu would fare any better in a Macbook than Intel's, probably much worse actually due to needing high speed memory.

 

Had Apple wanted to, they could have paid Intel for a custom sku with altered behavior to minimize heat, or they could have just forgone the i9 altogether. No shame to not offer the highest end sku if the cooling design limits it too much.

[PeterBocan]

I do wonder how much is this issue prevalent on the MacBook Pro 13" ... 

[Ryujin2003]

Maybe Intel should exchange this software with a Mac version of XTU for undervolt ing and turning ofg boost to reduce heat.

[mr moose]

1 hour ago, juri-han said:

yes its only on apple for putting a 45w cpu inside a machine that is built for 45w cpus.... no some of the blame is on intel and they even know their chips run to hot or they wouldnt be thinking about going back to solder lmao

 

ps. im not ignoring apple ether they should of tested the i9 and said NOPE and never put it in, that was ether lazy or greedy to charge your userbase a extra $300 for something that is actually WORSE? i'd love to see if the 6 core i7 has issues too 

 

22 minutes ago, juri-han said:

i know if you disable 2 cores on the i9 you get better performance so only makes sense the i7 does better but is it any better then last years 7920hq? (witch is what i have and it stays at around 2.8-3 even blasting it with prime 95)

 

i didn't know the i9 started sucking that much power, point still stands apple should not of put that in a mabook and intel's 6 core coffee lake is just kaby lake with 2 extra cores and the i9s are rebranded xeons to keep up with ryzen..... so blame both more so apple in this case but intel is just as greedy

 

The thing with TDP is that it is not an unchanging representation of power consumption or dissipation.  Apple engineers should know better than anyone that if you up the frequency the workload (or even the voltage) you increase power draw and heat produced.  Intel did not under rate their product nor did they fail to account for anything, the chip operates to spec.

 

 

[maartendc]

The funny thing is that they removed the link but left it listed as a download option. So you know it was there, they just removed it.

 

Very strange indeed!

[DeScruff]

3 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Something people aren’t realizing is that the news about the “thermal throttling” in the new 15” Core i9 MacBook Pro also reflects badly on Intel.

I'll only sorta agree since the i9 is still a relatively new product that I'm sure isn't as recognized as the i7.

And I can imagine Intel would not want the first thing to come to people's minds when they think of the i9 (in general) is 'overheating'.

[NumLock21]

The link is back up and download for both pc, mac, and linux works. Idk if mac had the same version as windows. Now it's version 3.5.2

[juri-han]

1 hour ago, mr moose said:

 

 

The thing with TDP is that it is not an unchanging representation of power consumption or dissipation.  Apple engineers should know better than anyone that if you up the frequency the workload (or even the voltage) you increase power draw and heat produced.  Intel did not under rate their product nor did they fail to account for anything, the chip operates to spec.

 

 

i wouldn't blame the engineers this is a boardroom move, they could have said no way the i9 can work with the current design and his boss says .... put it in anyway and we can charge $300 more for it and noone will notice