Show off your old and retro computer parts

[RollinLower]

40 minutes ago, Helly said:

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to be honest that's far from the worst soldering job i've seen, so props to saving some old tech!

 

do you have some pics of the entire system assembled?

[Helly]

4 hours ago, RollinLower said:

to be honest that's far from the worst soldering job i've seen, so props to saving some old tech!

 

do you have some pics of the entire system assembled?

Unfortunately i never made a pic of it fully assembled with the 120mm fan in it. And now that the psu is dead and removed (which the 120mm was attached to to keep it in place), it's no longer assembled enough to make a decent pic of it :P. I'm buying a replacement PSU in the near future and as soon as it's reassembled ill post a pic of it.

[peger]

GF MX400, Celeron 1,7 Ghz, old board and modem.

[it_dont_work]

3 hours ago, Schnoz said:

 

SIMM ram sticks, probably a few mb's they aren't worth anything really. 80's-early 90's

EDIT: look like 1mb each

[SenKa]

21 minutes ago, Schnoz said:

Current specs:

Intel Pentium 4 SL6WH (2.6 GHz, 512 KB cache, 800 MHz FSB), planning to try try SL7CH (P4 EE 3.4 GHz, 2 MB L3 cache, 800 MB FSB). Both are Northwood chips, so they are exceptional overclockers but do suffer from electromigration issues. Please tell me if the upgrade is compatible.

 

1 GB (2x512 MB) DDR-400 (from an iMac G5)

 

Intel 875p chipset

 

200 GB 7200 RPM IDE HDD

 

Geforce Riva TNT2 32 MB

 

At the time, how good was this setup?

Pentium 4's were always behind AMD equivalents at the time, but Pentium 4's were never bad chips either. The TNT2 is ~4 years too old, and honestly the weakest part. For 2001 thats all really decent stuff otherwise.

 

Also, I love those shuttle PC's! I had the AMD version quite a long time ago now, sold it off. and regret it. Theyre really rare now.

[Bitter]

I would honestly have gutted it and stuffed the chassis with some more modern cooler running Haswell or newer parts, but I seem to recall those using a special size motherboard so that may not be possible.

[luckybob77]

@Schnoz those are 4mb 30-pin simms.  untested, about $5 a bag there.  

[X-System]

11 hours ago, Schnoz said:

planning to try try SL7CH (P4 EE 3.4 GHz, 2 MB L3 cache, 800 MB FSB). Both are Northwood chips, so they are exceptional overclockers but do suffer from electromigration issues. Please tell me if the upgrade is compatible.

Pentium 4 Extreme Edition in the barebone isn't good ideal because P4 EE is very hot... I have a P4 EE 3.2 (in my collection now), I used it with Abit IC7-MAX3 and cooled by Thermalright XP-120 with Delta fan 120 mm @ 190 CFM, the case was Cooler Master Stacker STC-T01, it's a very big case with a better flow but it was always hot... I changed the air cooling by the water cooling, it was better.

 

If you want to put a P4 EE in this barebone, you must to find a (very) compact water cooling

[Bitter]

3 hours ago, X-System said:

Pentium 4 Extreme Edition in the barebone isn't good ideal because P4 EE is very hot... I have a P4 EE 3.2 (in my collection now), I used it with Abit IC7-MAX3 and cooled by Thermalright XP-120 with Delta fan 120 mm @ 190 CFM, the case was Cooler Master Stacker STC-T01, it's a very big case with a better flow but it was always hot... I changed the air cooling by the water cooling, it was better.

 

If you want to put a P4 EE in this barebone, you must to find a (very) compact water cooling

Yep. Basically he'll build an easy bake oven putting that in there. I have a 3.4 non EE and it even ran hot under water at 4Ghz.

 

Keep forgetting to ask, what's your avatar from? It looks familiar but I can't place it.

[Bitter]

I'm fairly sure prescott was soldered.

[X-System]

5 hours ago, Bitter said:

what's your avatar from? It looks familiar but I can't place it.

Starship Girl Yamamoto Yohko

3 hours ago, Schnoz said:

Looks like the TDP is 102.9 watts with a maximum temperature of 67 C. The cooler consists of two heatsink arrays. The second is connected to the first with four large heatpipes. However, that thing got warm even in the BIOS screen, and considering the fact that socket 478 CPUs use paste under the die, delidding the chip and/or liquid metal seems like a good idea. (Edit: Does SL7CH use paste? I heard that Northwood chips use paste while Prescott and Gallatin chips use solder.)

 

Also. Northwood chips suffered from Sudden Northwood Death Syndrome over 1.7 volts, right?

But, P4 EE (Gallatin / Northwood 2M) is hotter than P4C (Northwood) in full load. However, P4 EE works up to 100° C (turn off automatic by CPU at 105° C, I forgot to turn on the watercooling machine ).

 

P4 EE doesn't die over 1.7 volts

 

Look my old screenshots.

 

3.71 GHz with 1.76 volts, it was max stable for my P4 EE.

 

 

 

And max screen, it was 3.94 GHz with 1.8 or 1.85 volts (I don't remember) : http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=6070

 

And max voltage at startup but one time

 

 

And my P4 EE is still alive

[SuperNerd Kid]

On 7/16/2019 at 9:51 AM, Schnoz said:

Thanks! And how so?n

I don't think a picture of someone's nostril's is a very good profile picture. No offense but i don't think anyone wants to see a picture up someone's nostril.

[Bitter]

2 hours ago, Schnoz said:

@Bitter It's a Northwood chip. This forum page is very confusing:

https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=54122

http://www.cpu-world.com/sspec/SL/SL7CH.html

Says it's a Gallitin, not Northwood and Gallitin was soldered, Prescott was soldered, Northwood was mostly TIM but a few oddball soldered ones I guess.

[SuperNerd Kid]

1 hour ago, X-System said:

Starship Girl Yamamoto Yohko

But, P4 EE (Gallatin / Northwood 2M) is hotter than P4C (Northwood) in full load. However, P4 EE works up to 100° C (turn off automatic by CPU at 105° C, I forgot to turn on the watercooling machine ).

 

P4 EE doesn't die over 1.7 volts

 

Look my old screenshots.

 

3.71 GHz with 1.76 volts, it was max stable for my P4 EE.

 

 

 

And max screen, it was 3.94 GHz with 1.8 or 1.85 volts (I don't remember) : http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=6070

 

And max voltage at startup but one time

 

 

And my P4 EE is still alive

my pentium 4 northwood system died because of the two dollar power supply that is in it.

[SuperNerd Kid]

if you have a northwood system overclock it thwy will overclock well in excess of four Gigahertz

[X-System]

10 hours ago, SuperNerd Kid said:

my pentium 4 northwood system died because of the two dollar power supply that is in it.

My power supply was Antec TruePower 550. It was good quality

[X-System]

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[Helly]

So i finally have 1 retro system running for a game i wanted to actually play on it. I'm quite a fan of the dune games from westwood so lately i was thinking a lot about playing dune 2000 again. I never really finished it so i want to do that. Well old systems turn out to be quite the pain in the ass..... This is going to be quite the story, so strap urselves in for the long haul.

 

I started with the following config:

 

Athlon 2800+

MSI KT3-Ultra2 motherboard.

2GB of kingston ddr400 memory.

2x 1TB seagate barracuda compute drives. (yes, in RAID-0)

ATi Radeon 9700pro

Creative Audigy 2 ZS

Q-Tec Sata PCI card.

Intel 1Gb NIC. (pro/1000 GT)

 

Initially the system ran fine. Installing and updating went fine. Other games (C&C games, dethkarz, UT, Q3, you know... the classics ) all ran perfectly fine. Then came dune 2000. Even just in the menu the audio was choppy, then the in-game video's were fine, and during play the audio would be choppy constantly. Choppy might be the wrong word, everything spoken was repeated once... very annoying.

I had my mentioned before dual p3 system still working at the time so i tested the game there and it was fine.... obviously. So i figured, it's the audio that's crappy on the amd system so i swap out the audio from the p3 (it had a sound blaster live 5.1 in it). I put it in the AMD system, turned it on, it posted, got to the windows screen (good old winxp ;)), aaaaand it rebooted. It completely refused to boot with the live 5.1. Tried different pci slots but got nowhere. So i have more sound cards lying around of course. So i tried my old and completely untrusted hercules fortissimo 7.1 (there's a pic of it down below ). The PC booted up again into windows and i installed the card. IT WORKED! yay! launched the game, and the sound was fine. So it WAS the sound card, HAH! So, great, ill just keep this card in here and be done with it. WRONG, now the sound was fine but the gameplay was choppy, lol. every 10 to 15 seconds or so it would hang for a split second and continue.

 

Very annoyed i started thinking of what to do next. I knew i had a newer better board lying around (Asus a7n8x-e deluxe), but the last time i used it, it crapped out and refused to do all kinds of things. But what the hell hey, current board does weird crap, maybe that board does weird crap as well and starts to work good again. Swapped out the board and kept everything the same except i left out the Sata pci card and the intel nic. The asus board has sata and Gb lan on-board. Turned it on and it stopped at the detection of the HDD's. It found 1 but not the other. Dead port? crap cable? dead drive!? Well none of the above. Pulled the drive that was detected and turned the system on, it detected the other drive fine, but still stopped there. Then i saw the onboard sata bios (which is the exact same as the pci card btw) had an older bios. So maybe it doesn't like big drives? Tried 2 500GB drives on it, and it detected both (immediately with a raid array btw lol) and wanted to boot, but no OS so error. Then i got the idea to just put together the most bad ass system i could build with the stuff i have. So i grabbed the posted before 2 150GB raptor drives and put em in. They got detected and i got to installing.

 

I won't make the story much longer, so i got to dune 2000 and in the menu at first the audio was fine, i went into a mission and it still seemed fine. 10 minutes in it started to chop again. I hoped it would be only once but it wasn't so that sucked. Grabbed the live 5.1 and installed that. It booted up fine this time (yay!). then i needed a driver. Got it from my main pc where i basically hoard everything i ever download for anything. Installed it and i got no audio :(. Also the creative audio console showed no text in it. Speaker configs showed something like "no string found", or w/e. The "output digital only" had no text, and i connect the pc with a coaxial cable since my main pc is connected with the 3 jacks. I tried everything to make the card output through the digital port and nothing worked. I connected it with the 3 jacks just to see if it did anything and it did. Worked perfectly to, no choppy audio in the game at all. So i needed to find a way to turn the digital output on.

 

Lot of googling later i ran into the KX project for creative cards. It's a driver packet for older creative cards to basically set the damn things up any way you want. Downloaded the packet, played around with some settings and FINALLY got the damn thing to output audio over the digital port. Booted the game and it was still fine. However the driver also supports the audigy 2. So swapped everything AGAIN. and installed the audigy with the KX driver, and that to made the card work fine. So it wasn't any hardware... it was just the goddamn crappy creative drivers (i knew they were crap, its why i originally bought the fortissimo, except that was worse lol).

 

holy crap that was a long story.... anyway, here's the final all working setup i got running now.

 

AMD Athlon 2800+

Asus A7N8X-e Deluxe

2GB Kingston DDR400 in dual channel

2x 150GB WD Raptor in RAID-0

ATi HD3650

Creative Audigy 2 ZS (with KX Drivers)

NEC DVD Burner

Seasonic Focus Gold 450w PSU

Cooler Master Elite 330 Case (It's SHIT but it's the best i got lol)

 

This is a show off topic, so here's the full system in all its glory.

 

 

Here's a pic of the memory module that's in there. It's actually a 3rd one i once had in there, for reasons.

 

And then finally the completely untrusted and crap fortissimo just for kicks.

 

I hope you enjoyed the story, i sometimes did living it... mostly not though lol.

[Guest]

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[Bitter]

Potato pictures but the PC stereo was crackling some on bass so I cleaned the volume fader with some DeoxIT F5, all better now!

[seagate_surfer]

 

 

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On 7/21/2019 at 8:15 AM, Oso Sin Nombre said:

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These oldies never get old to me! 

[NoCarrier]

Had my IBM 5160 XT on the workbench this weekend with a bunch of upgrades.

 

 

 

[Void Master]

Hi guys

is RDRAM  still cool enough to post here ???

[The King of the Undead]

how old is considered in this thread?

[flibberdipper]

37 minutes ago, seagate_surfer said:

These oldies never get old to me! 

What in god's name did you do to your quote lmao