Samsungs GDDR6 has been reported to reach 16 Gbps

[AdmiralMeowmix]

https://segmentnext.com/2017/11/11/samsung-gddr6-memory/

 

http://www.pcgamer.com/samsungs-gddr6-memory-is-shaping-up-to-be-faster-than-expected/?utm_content=buffer9e923&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=buffer-pcgamertw

 

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Back at the Hot Chips symposium in August 2016, Samsung executive Jin Kim said the company's GDDR6 memory will be faster and more power efficient than 10Gbps GDDR5, with throughput expected to be around 14Gbps when it starts mass production. Now a year later, Samsung has managed to bump that up to 16Gbps.

Considering the current gtx 1080 ti only has 11 Gbps of GDDR5X Memory this seems rather promising if Nvidia plans on having this new memory instead of HBM2 in their next line of cards suspected to be Ampere.

 

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The fastest and lowest-power DRAM for next generation, graphics-intensive applications. It processes images and video at 16Gbps with 64GB/s data I/O bandwidth, which is equivalent to transferring approximately 12 full-HD DVDs (5GB equivalent) per second. The new DRAM can operate at 1.35 volts, offering further advantages over today’s graphics memory that uses 1.5V at only 8Gbps.

For those that love saving on electricity and want efficient power management you'll be happy to know it's been thoroughly optimized.

 

I'm really hoping this helps change the market, as it stands now no card is truely "4K ready" as not even the 1080 TI has a stable 60+ FPS at 4K in all games hence why I have a 1440p monitor instead. I'm also sure game devs optimizing their games for the PC could make use of the extra speed as well. I'm sure all this probably isn't the biggest news anyone here's heard of but eh figured I might as well post bout it.

[TheKDub]

Now we just have to wait for it to be included on graphics cards. I'm sure it won't be very cheap when it is.

[NumLock21]

It has even won a award.

[dizmo]

The difference between 10gbps and 11gbps wasn't that big. I'd imagine it has more to do with the GPU core, than the memory speed for what we need to drastically improve 4k performance

Still, increases are nice, so hurrah?

[rattacko123]

1 minute ago, AdmiralMeowmix said:

I'm really hoping this helps change the market, as it stands now no card is truely "4K ready" as not even the 1080 TI has a stable 60+ FPS at 4K in all games hence why I have a 1440p monitor instead.

At ultra, yes the 1080 ti isn't powerful enough, but if you play older games or play on medium/high settings then the 1080 ti can handle 4k60fps easily with its 11GB of VRAM.
I have a 4k monitor and my GTX 970 just isn't powerful enough, but it still is possible to play older games. A GTX 1080 would probably be more than good enough for 4k medium settings in recent titles.

6 minutes ago, AdmiralMeowmix said:

Considering the current gtx 1080 ti only has 11 GBps of GDDR5X Memory this seems rather promising if Nvidia plans on having this new memory instead of HBM2 in their next line of cards suspected to be Ampere.

16Gbit/s RAM would be great. Currently Nvidia cards with 11Gbit/s are destroying AMD's HBM2 implementation, with 16Gbit/s Nvidia cards AMD would be having a hard time even if HBM3 came out.

 

[Princess Luna]

Realistically speaking this makes zero difference in games of today.

[McHox]

5 minutes ago, rattacko123 said:

Currently Nvidia cards with 11Gbit/s are destroying AMD's HBM2 implementation

1080 ti's vs vega's memory bandwidth is roughly the same
amd's hbm implementation isnt even close to what it could be

[rattacko123]

13 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Realistically speaking this makes zero difference in games of today.

Memory bandwidth does make a difference

GTX 1060 benefits with memory overclocking with its 128-bit bus

No idea about the high end cards, nobody has done any memory overclocking comparisons recently but I would imagine that something like the gtx 1080 would be approaching the limit of its 256-bit memory bus. 16Gbit/s compared 11Gbit/s would have a pretty noticeable difference in performance. AMD cards especially would benefit from better memory speeds due to their poor colour compression.

[PETRGangKing]

I manage to get 55+ fps ultra settings in 4k in about 95 percent of the games I play with my 1080 ti. 60fps isn't always enough though depending on the game, and now that 144hz 4k monitors are on the horizon, I'm very happy to hear this. I hope the next big Ti card can power one of these new displays.

[Princess Luna]

Just now, rattacko123 said:

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I really only had the highest end in mind, 10ish seems as far as any scaling goes... I wouldn't get my hopes all big, Volta went from delayed to cancelled altogether, Pascal might stick around for much longer than we all want to accept specially with AMD still not catching up on the highest end.

[Dabombinable]

So, even more of a reason for HBM to be only used in highly integrated components as opposed to GPU-where its a crutch for poor power consumption.

[mr moose]

27 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Realistically speaking this makes zero difference in games of today.

 

I would have to agree, not from the perspective of technical performance, but more from the historical view.  15 years ago you had to spend the lions share of your budget on a CPU and GPU just to be able to play the latest games (forget turning the settings up).  Nowadays you can at least enjoy a game at a reasonable quality on a $200 card.

[NumLock21]

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Samsung GDDR6 K4ZAF325BM-HC14 is 16 Gb module operating at 1.35V. This is Samsung’s first GDDR6 module. The chip pictured below is an engineering sample provided for the sole purpose of this award. Officially this module is still ‘under development’, but that didn’t stop CES board from giving it an award.

The CES takes place next year in January. NVIDIA already announced a keynote for January 7th. It is either there or in March (GPU Technology Conference) where Jensen will unveil Volta-based GeForce models. The GDDR6 is likely to make an appearance with GeForce 2000 series.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/samsung-16gb-gddr6-memory-receives-ces-innovation-award

https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-honored-for-outstanding-design-and-engineering-with-36-ces-2018-innovation-awards

 

[leadeater]

43 minutes ago, rattacko123 said:

Memory bandwidth does make a difference

 

GTX 1060 benefits with memory overclocking with its 128-bit bus

No idea about the high end cards, nobody has done any memory overclocking comparisons recently but I would imagine that something like the gtx 1080 would be approaching the limit of its 256-bit memory bus. 16Gbit/s compared 11Gbit/s would have a pretty noticeable difference in performance. AMD cards especially would benefit from better memory speeds due to their poor colour compression.

More memory bandwidth can only help when the GPU can actually take that increased throughput and process it. Or to put it another way if you had infinite memory bandwidth the GPU will not perform any faster.

 

Nvidia Pascal being faster than AMD has little to do with memory bandwidth so putting HBM999+++ on a Vega card won't make it be able to be faster than a 1080Ti.

[leadeater]

48 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

So, even more of a reason for HBM to be only used in highly integrated components as opposed to GPU-where its a crutch for poor power consumption.

Not really, that's much the same reasoning behind 3D NAND versus Planar when it started coming out and how many people were saying the extra cost isn't worth it or supply is too low etc. Now 3D NAND is a mature technology and is the defacto choice, it is likely HBM will follow this same path.

 

Also like 3D NAND versus Planar there will still be products that use GDDR and ones that use HBM, not much reason to put HBM on a product that doesn't need nor benefit from it at the draw back of increased costs.

[RedRound2]

OP, correct the title GBps (GB/s) and Gbps are very different speeds

[PETRGangKing]

18 minutes ago, RedRound2 said:

OP, correct the title GBps (GB/s) and Gbps are very different speeds

I seen that too. Could you imagine, 16GB/s.

[AlTech]

4 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

Realistically speaking this makes zero difference in games of today.

Nobody knows until it comes out.

[yian88]

we need MCM gpu's with top notch scaling, otherwise no matter what Memory you use the chip wont be fast enough

[DeScruff]

6 hours ago, rattacko123 said:

At ultra, yes the 1080 ti isn't powerful enough, but if you play older games or play on medium/high settings then the 1080 ti can handle 4k60fps easily with its 11GB of VRAM.

I have a 4k monitor and my GTX 970 just isn't powerful enough, but it still is possible to play older games. A GTX 1080 would probably be more than good enough for 4k medium settings in recent titles.

Thats what always confused me when anyone tries to advertise "4K ready".
That statement has literally no meaning other then it can output 4K since the horsepower needed to drive new games will always increase.
I mean what kinda thing are we trying to run at 4K? If its Half Life 2, Im pretty sure an old R7 260x could do that...

- Actually the same exact thing I could say about "VR ready" but thats another story.

[rattacko123]

33 minutes ago, Sypran said:

Thats what always confused me when anyone tries to advertise "4K ready".
That statement has literally no meaning other then it can output 4K since the horsepower needed to drive new games will always increase.
I mean what kinda thing are we trying to run at 4K? If its Half Life 2, Im pretty sure an old R7 260x could do that...

- Actually the same exact thing I could say about "VR ready" but thats another story.

It's marketing for the average consumer. The average consumer wouldn't be able to tell the difference between, say HDMI 1.4 and HDMI 2.0 or Displayport 1.2 vs Displayport 1.4.
These "4k ready" badges basically just tells whoever is going to buy it that it supports 4k output, of course we computer enthusiasts know what the hardware is capable of without needing some fancy sticker.
The R7 260x doesn't support HDMI 2.0, so it actually can't output 4k60 unless you use a displayport monitor. So technically it isn't "4k ready" because it can't be used with 4k TVs, but yes in the loosest possible term you could say it is "4k ready" although nobody would advertise it as such.

[Doobeedoo]

Good step up for GDDR though. But I wonder how future cards wil be with like HBM3 also,  since it's more expensive I can only see it on flagships. 

[Jito463]

On 11/12/2017 at 5:44 AM, Sypran said:

- Actually the same exact thing I could say about "VR ready" but thats another story

You mean like VR ready hard & solid state drives?