Amd threadripper package

[Donut417]

8 hours ago, grimreeper132 said:

my postman is a bigger danger to tech than linus, cause at least linus drops it, he chucks/lobs it

My sister had a mail man like that. Would stand at the street and throw the packages to the door. LOL. 

[Taf the Ghost]

56 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

it means that things like: i am gonna get a 4 core and 3 years latter get a 8 core much more feasible.

2020 probably means ryzen+, ryzen 2 maybe 3, which mean one more gen on the same socket than intel at the minimum 

They'll switch to AM5 for Ryzen 3 more than likely, as that should have PCIe 4.0 by then, I would assume. The spec is so late that I don't think we'll even see it on Icelake Xeons.

[The Benjamins]

1 minute ago, Taf the Ghost said:

They'll switch to AM5 for Ryzen 3 more than likely, as that should have PCIe 4.0 by then, I would assume. The spec is so late that I don't think we'll even see it on Icelake Xeons.

I would expect a AM4+ with AM4 support before AM5

[grimreeper132]

Just now, Donut417 said:

My sister had a mail man like that. Would stand at the street and throw the packages to the door. LOL. 

no mines worse than that, he'll come to our porch open the door and hurl it as hard as possible to the the ground

[Taf the Ghost]

15 minutes ago, Goildzy said:

i bet all those reacted here wouldnt even buy it, unles you have some home business workstation need. I wouldnt buy it either but looks awesome indeed, earth to ryzen!

HEDT is a low-volume part, for sure, but they're used in the "enthusiast" circles quite a lot. And some of us *do* have use for these platforms, so we're really curious. Until 3 weeks from now, your only option is still Intel, as it has been for the last decade.

[Taf the Ghost]

Just now, The Benjamins said:

I would expect a AM4+ with AM4 support before AM5

With how tight AMD is planning to iterate, it's possible we get AM4+ to get the full features of Zen2, but Zen3 is supposed to be hot on the heels of Zen2. We'll see, as AMD has quite a tight roadmap for the next 4 years.

[MyName13]

30 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

With how tight AMD is planning to iterate, it's possible we get AM4+ to get the full features of Zen2, but Zen3 is supposed to be hot on the heels of Zen2. We'll see, as AMD has quite a tight roadmap for the next 4 years.

What could those "full features" be (and what would am4 users lose)?

[Taf the Ghost]

2 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

What could those "full features" be (and what would am4 users lose)?

I'm not sure what's in the pipeline right now. New revisions for USB 3.x?

[3DOSH]

3 hours ago, mr moose said:

Depends on what you are comparing and where you live.  It's not always cheaper. The 7700K works out cheaper than the 1700 after accounting for the mobo. and is $50 cheaper than the 1700x outright. don;t even ask about the 1800.

again, depending on where you live, there is a solid $50+ premium for AMD motherboards where I live. And I believe that is not uncommon. also see above.

what does that mean though?  are you suggesting you'll be able to hold on to a ryzen system longer than an i7?  I'd like your crystal ball please, I want to play the lotto.

 

End use specific, given many people don't overclock, even the most generic of coolers are adequate.

 

There are just too many end uses cases and price variance to make black and white claims like this.

1. What prices are you looking at my friend ?! I see the 1700x regularly on sale for 270-280$ and I'm talking of course about US pricing since that's the baseline since every country has different taxes and amount of stock. 
2. You have choice with the b350 and x370 and the b350 is always cheaper and just as good, again US prices.
3. Like people said, it can last 3+ years and I'm comparing this too Intel. 1-2 year  vs 3+, I see clear winner regardless if you intend to upgrade or not .
4. People don't just need good coolers to overclock, some live in very humid and hot ares and again I'm comparing it to Intel, AMD has better coolers, end of point. 
   
    

 

[Drak3]

4 hours ago, MyName13 said:

That was true when AMD wasn't competitive, when/if Intel releases hexa core i5s then quad cores might not survive more than 3 years (you also have to keep in mind ryzen 3 owners).

It's going to be a long while before quadcores aren't good/sufficient. Look how long the humble dual core has held on, and they're still viable for many consumer use cases outside of medium end and up gaming.

 

And just because we have the cores in the mainstream market, doesn't mean that developers can leverage them all that much for consumer tasks. Most gaming is happy on 4c/8t chips like the 4790K, 6700K, and 7700K because they cannot be parallelized much further, and the clock speed advantage those chips have at stock and overclocking on air, is more beneficial.

[kaiju_wars]

11 hours ago, Bleedingyamato said:

Newer doesn't always mean better though.  Just ask @aisle9.  He's had a few issues getting his Ryzen build working I believe.  

 

Sorry.  I didn't mean to seem overly harsh against Ryzen.  Just that it isn't entirely polished yet.  It's getting there though.  

 

I didn't say drop out.  Just a temporary diversion of resources.  I was mostly joking anyway.  Sorry.  I guess I should've made that a bit more obvious.  

 

You realize I have Ryzen too, right

 

12 hours ago, Jito463 said:

You forgot the obvious solution.  Get TR, then take online courses with said TR computer.  Best of both worlds.  

North Dakota has some of the cheapest tuition in the country... online classes are actually more expensive.

Man, I actually kinda wish I skipped my certification through University of Phoenix.

[Bleedingyamato]

1 minute ago, kaiju_wars said:

You realize I have Ryzen too, right

Yeah I know.  You just had better luck with it so far I think.

 

Again sorry.  I didn't mean to offend you by seemingly overly critical of Ryzen.   

[kaiju_wars]

3 minutes ago, Bleedingyamato said:

Yeah I know.  You just had better luck with it so far I think.

 

Again sorry.  I didn't mean to offend you by seemingly overly critical of Ryzen.   

You didn't... I just felt the need to correct a couple of things.  A couple of months ago I'd actually have agreed with you

 

[Bleedingyamato]

3 minutes ago, kaiju_wars said:

You didn't... I just felt the need to correct a couple of things.  A couple of months ago I'd actually have agreed with you

 

I'm too late as always.  lol

[Mira Yurizaki]

39 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

It's going to be a long while before quadcores aren't good/sufficient. Look how long the humble dual core has held on, and they're still viable for many consumer use cases outside of medium end and up gaming.

 

And just because we have the cores in the mainstream market, doesn't mean that developers can leverage them all that much for consumer tasks. Most gaming is happy on 4c/8t chips like the 4790K, 6700K, and 7700K because they cannot be parallelized much further, and the clock speed advantage those chips have at stock and overclocking on air, is more beneficial.

And the use case most people do on computers is highly linear or IO bound.

 

I'm sure adding two more cores to my quad core will speed up my internet browsing or typing in words in that document. I'm sure of it.

[Drak3]

Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

And the use case most people do on computers is highly linear.

 

I'm sure adding two more cores to my quad core will speed up my internet browsing. I'm sure of it.

Gotta get the ultimate porn experience.

 

 

With the 7980XE and 4 Quadro P5000's. Value porn machine.

[DXMember]

6 hours ago, Denis Rakhmanov said:

where's the chipset? And Sata? will it have only M.2 slots on the back?

on the back of the board and on daugterboards

 

btw, anyone already posted OCUK babes?
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/18787044/

 

Threadripper = Pure Sex

[mr moose]

8 hours ago, MyName13 said:

That was true when AMD wasn't competitive, when/if Intel releases hexa core i5s then quad cores might not survive more than 3 years (you also have to keep in mind ryzen 3 owners).

Of course they'll survive more than three years.  A lot (if not most) of the users on this forum run PC's that are older than 3 years, just becasue intel or amd or anyone stops producing a particular chipset or socket doesn't mean the technology is has a limited lifespan.  By the time you need to upgrade because your hardware won't run the latest *enter software here* adequately, I can guarantee, either the socket you are using won;t be made anymore anyway (more than 3 years) or new sockets (am4 and whatever intel does) will have better options and people will want to do a whole system.  Hardly anyone upgrades just the CPU in less than three year cycles. That is the domain of extreme gamers and hardware/overclock enthusiasts.

 

6 hours ago, 3DOSH said:

1. What prices are you looking at my friend ?! I see the 1700x regularly on sale for 270-280$ and I'm talking of course about US pricing since that's the baseline since every country has different taxes and amount of stock. 
2. You have choice with the b350 and x370 and the b350 is always cheaper and just as good, again US prices.
3. Like people said, it can last 3+ years and I'm comparing this too Intel. 1-2 year  vs 3+, I see clear winner regardless if you intend to upgrade or not .
4. People don't just need good coolers to overclock, some live in very humid and hot ares and again I'm comparing it to Intel, AMD has better coolers, end of point. 
   
    

 

1. Australian prices,  but I am sure they are not far different many other places.  Again, looking at the cheapest options from both companies (motherboard and CPU) after the ryzen 5 1600 a 7700K becomes a cheaper option.

2.see 1.

3.see above quote and response.  AMD could keep making CPUs for the am4 socket for 4 years while Intel could stop all sockets tomorrow, however that will not change the fact most users can still and in all likelihood will be using current new pc's in 5 years time, making socket manufacture run time moot.  When they are ready to upgrade their current socket will likely not be in production.   And even if it was in production, the chances that it is a worthwhile upgrade given new features will be available on what ever comes next, will mean it comes solely down to price and someone willing to drop $00's on a cpu alone is probably not going to want to buy into an old socket when there new features to buy into. 

 

 

 

[bimmerman]

I'm seriously considering one of the Threadripper SKUs. More for matlab and image processing/machine learning than anything else (multiple PCIE lanes will be nice), but to be honest I'll probably play games on it a fair amount too. I am a bit stoked for using it in VR once more games take advantage of either Nvidia or AMD's single-GPU-per-eye technology; I could see 2x16 lanes being a major benefit there.

 

Do I need it? Probably not. I see it as a major leap forward from my existing X58/Xeon system and think it should be relevant and futureproof (enough) for another 5+ years, and nothing from Intel has been enough of an improvement to remotely interest me since the glory days of X58. A few % improvement in IPC and no additional cores, year on year....pass.

 

I strongly disagree with the business direction Intel is taking the HEDT platforms and CPUs in. Threadripper may not be as outright powerful, but it's money not given to a company that is artificially hamstringing performance and features.

[AnonymousGuy]

 

6 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

Do I need it? Probably not. I see it as a major leap forward from my existing X58/Xeon system and think it should be relevant and futureproof (enough) for another 5+ years, and nothing from Intel has been enough of an improvement to remotely interest me since the glory days of X58. A few % improvement in IPC and no additional cores, year on year....pass.

Z270 would blow the doors off X58.  Generation over generation doesn't change much, but when you're something like 5 or 6 generations behind the curve, it adds up.  I need to nickname this phenomenon "the cheapskate fallacy".

[bimmerman]

2 hours ago, AnonymousGuy said:

 

Z270 would blow the doors off X58.  Generation over generation doesn't change much, but when you're something like 5 or 6 generations behind the curve, it adds up.  I need to nickname this phenomenon "the cheapskate fallacy".

It probably would blow the doors off a stock X58. OC'd X58 hangs with more modern stuff better than you'd expect, giving solid middle tier performance. It's good enough, still, to not see a reason to upgrade to 'merely' another 4 core hyperthreaded processor when I'm interested in cores and expansion options, not just FPS and gaming. I am looking for a workstation that can game for a couple hours a week, not a gaming computer. Different priorities there.

[Skanky Sylveon]

I personally like the look.  I know that many people don't like premium packaging, as it does increase the cost of said product, but I always reuse the packaging for something else, so I don't mind.