Intel undermines AMD's new EPYC Server Lineup performance in its Official Xeon SP Slide Deck

[tom_w141]

1 minute ago, Lord Nicoll said:

X299 isn't that hot

They lit the fires in their panic not with their processors (though I'm sure they contributed ). They destroyed the place looking for a solution, but didn't find one.

[Brainless906]

2 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

They lit the fires in their panic not with their processors (though I'm sure they contributed ). They destroyed the place looking for a solution, but didn't find one.

I mean....they did say some pretty mean things about AMD.....that's a solution

 

Not a very good one....but it is a solution...

[FinnHallqvist]

13 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Saw this cropped up in a few places, was tempted to post. Headline really should be, "Intel's desperate plea to hire AMD's Memelord PR guy".  You've got to go either full Memelord with some stuff or fully professional. Half-way just looks petty. 

Normally I only read on these forums and never post, but I read about this "glued-together" stuff so much today and thought it was hilarious. Sry im not that good at it <.<.

[Coaxialgamer]

Intel's marketing department is really grasping here...

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[Valentyn]

9 minutes ago, Lord Nicoll said:

X299 isn't that hot

It is if it's the 7980XE overclocked to 4.8 Ghz

[Sauron]

None of these core to core comparisons matter when you can get 24 epyc cores for the price of 8 xeon cores.

[TidaLWaveZ]

Intel really is screwed, I'd be surprised if they weren't completely bankrupt by next month.

 

I mean honestly they probably liquidated all assets and invested all $116+ billion dollars of their worth to produce their newest lineup.

 

RIP intel

[Lord Nicoll]

2 minutes ago, Valentyn said:

It is if it's the 7980XE overclocked to 4.8 Ghz

I don't think you'll get the 18 core chip anywhere near 4.8GHz

[Coaxialgamer]

2 minutes ago, Valentyn said:

It is if it's the 7980XE overclocked to 4.8 Ghz

when your neighbors from the next block over turn on their new 7980XE rig 

  

[PCGuy_5960]

The slides are too funny

[Humbug]

Wow Intel is panicking more than I thought they would.

 

Almost seems unprofessional the way they are grasping at straws LOL.

 

They are saying things like 'poor track record' and 'inconsistent supplier' about AMD haha.

They are basically trying to shift the focus onto AMD's past rather than talk about current gen AMD naples.

[Misanthrope]

I know corporate suits are more succeptible to intel's arguments here but they aren't stupid: They're not gonna go "Yesh intel performs 25% better ok I will expand my budget 400% to accommodate this products instead!"

 

They're basically afraid of having to price their shit fairly and that's something that is not easy to undo with panic tactics. It's doable but come on look at the numbers and prices: they speak for themselves.

[Sauron]

32 minutes ago, TidaLWaveZ said:

Intel really is screwed, I'd be surprised if they weren't completely bankrupt by next month.

 

I mean honestly they probably liquidated all assets and invested all $116+ billion dollars of their worth to produce their newest lineup.

 

RIP intel

Let's not exaggerate, they still have a vast lead in marketshare and enterprise clients can't alway just switch platform completely every time something new comes out. Intel will be just fine. Hopefully however this puts a big dent in their marketshare, big enough for AMD to invest in R&D and stay competitive.

[laminutederire]

17 minutes ago, Humbug said:

Wow Intel is panicking more than I thought they would.

 

Almost seems unprofessional the way they are grasping at straws LOL.

 

They are saying things like 'poor track record' and 'inconsistent supplier' about AMD haha.

They are basically trying to shift the focus onto AMD's past rather than talk about current gen AMD naples.

Next step: portal 3 sponsored by intel with easter egg : "Ryzen is a lie". And thus will end the denial phase for Intel ! Next up: the angry step!

[Sauron]

1 minute ago, Misanthrope said:

I know corporate suits are more succeptible to intel's arguments here but they aren't stupid: They're not gonna go "Yesh intel performs 25% better ok I will expand my budget 400% to accommodate this products instead!"

 

They're basically afraid of having to price their shit fairly and that's something that is not easy to undo with panic tactics. It's doable but come on look at the numbers and prices: they speak for themselves.

It's not just that, intel high core count chips are considerably more expensive to produce than amd's since they have been sitting on their asses for the last 6 years instead of investing in more cost effective architectures.

[Misanthrope]

Just now, Sauron said:

It's not just that, intel high core count chips are considerably more expensive to produce than amd's since they have been sitting on their asses for the last 6 years instead of investing in more cost effective architectures.

The interest part is on your previous point though: corporate sales move far more slowly giving intel time to react and even improve performance vastly or improve production and pricing since AMD will still be the new platform not the mature one so adoption will probably be slow at start on perhaps not time-critical implementations at first.

 

 

[AnonymousGuy]

Alright, I'll help out here.

 

First, these slides are generated by Intel's "competitive analysis" group.  They're written for salespeople @ Intel to be able to have better awareness, they're not written for people with an engineering or technical background so that's why the language is more casual.  Of course it's going to sound like it's shitting on the competition because that's what it's for.  It also wasn't originally written for public release it's just getting repurposed.

 

Second, all of the information presented is accurate.  It wouldn't get past legal for a public release if it wasn't.  So it's best to actually pay attention to the bulletpoints so you don't look like a dumbass saying "hurr durrr moar cores moar better".  There's a lot of other factors brought up that are relevant if you're in the datacenter environment and doing more with your system than running cinebench.

[NumLock21]

This reminds me of Asus and Gigabyte going at each other, with these slides

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TidaLWaveZ]

19 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Let's not exaggerate, they still have a vast lead in marketshare and enterprise clients can't alway just switch platform completely every time something new comes out. Intel will be just fine. Hopefully however this puts a big dent in their marketshare, big enough for AMD to invest in R&D and stay competitive.

 

My comment was a complete mockery, I refuse to use /s because it ruins the surprise.

 

I am one of the few who has actually compared the net worth of tech companies.

 

SPOILER

Spoiler

AMD would have to multiply it's entire worth by about 10 to even touch intel.

 

[PlayStation 2]

Intel is like a Huntsman Sniper who thinks they're good but really not, while AMD is a melee Medic just sneaking up on Intel because they don't know what they're doing. 

[LukaH]

whats next?

 

AMD: "Intel puts poo poo underneath the IHS."

[Bananasplit_00]

2 hours ago, tom_w141 said:

Ah man their Xeon beats a mainstream desktop cpu? Who'da guessed?

 

This is some seriously desperate marketing from Intel  pretty devious

only if the mainstream deskrop CPU runs sevearly underclocked lol

[goodtofufriday]

1 hour ago, AnonymousGuy said:

Alright, I'll help out here.

 

First, these slides are generated by Intel's "competitive analysis" group.  (1)They're written for salespeople @ Intel to be able to have better awareness, they're not written for people with an engineering or technical background so that's why the language is more casual.  Of course it's going to sound like it's shitting on the competition because that's what it's for.  It also wasn't originally written for public release it's just getting repurposed.

 

Second, (2)all of the information presented is accurate.  It wouldn't get past legal for a public release if it wasn't.  So it's best to actually pay attention to the bulletpoints so you don't look like a dumbass saying "hurr durrr moar cores moar better".  (3)There's a lot of other factors brought up that are relevant if you're in the datacenter environment and doing more with your system than running cinebench.

Point 1: Doesnt matter who its for, its being sold to people who know what they are looking for. Any company worth its salt trust its IT team when it comes to their backend. As an IT admin there are for sure CEOs that will let the slides talk, but most will take the word of their admin before the word of a sales person. 

 

Point 2: it is accurate but completely irrelevant for the use case. Intel is comparing their apple to amd's orange. Any IT team knows this. We also know that Ryzen is a server chip scaled down to the desktop, not the other way around like intel suggest.

 

Point 3: No theres not. The only place intel wins is in compression. But when Im buying a 24 core chip from AMD for the price of an 8 core chip from Intel, then that advantage disappears. 

[AnonymousGuy]

7 minutes ago, goodtofufriday said:

Point 3: No theres not. The only place intel wins is in compression. But when Im buying a 24 core chip from AMD for the price of an 8 core chip from Intel, then that advantage disappears. 

You're hurr-durr-ing.  That "cheaper" 24 core chip gets expensive if you all of the sudden have to pay for 24 cores worth of licensing on your enterprise software.  Then that 8 core with the performance of an equivalent AMD 12 core starts to sound like a lot better of a deal.

 

Or you spent millions having your software devs optimize and validate on IA.  It's not going to be worth the hardware cost savings to switch to AMD.  Hell in a lot of shops the hardware cost doesn't even matter because it gets recovered so quickly.  You lose money by not having the fastest thing in your rack.

 

Ryzen isn't a server chip.  If it was it would be able to support more than 2S configuration and wouldn't have a ridiculous number of NUMA domains and asterisks on getting consistent performance out of it.  "oh lets just hope our software vendors optimize for a rookie platform with zero marketshare".

 

Not even going in to the fact that AMD doesn't even have an ecosystem right now either hardware or software.

 

If you're an IT admin of a tiny business < 100 people I'm sure you can probably make the argument that Epyc is worth the risk.  Everyone else is going to stay with Intel even if it isn't the best price / performance.