Posted January 31, 2017 So as the title says, AMD have released their Q4 financials, the main table is below, follow the link to the full report. Hilights: Revenue was down 15% sequentially to $1.11 billion, beating expectations of an 18% decline. The Computing & Graphics segment revenue increased by $128 million to $600 million while making a small operating loss of $21 million, this is opposed to a loss of $99 million a year ago. Enterprise, Embedded & Semi-Custom experienced a $329 million decline in revenue to $506 million while making a profit of $47 million, a decrease of $12 million from the previous year. AMD attributes the lower operating income to increased R&D spending in this segment. Long-term debt down $198 million to $1.435 billion, this is opposed to more than $2 billion the previous year. Short-term debt is flat from the previous quater at $0, opposed to $230 million the previous year. Cash reserves of $1.264 billion, up from $1.258 billion the previous quater and $785 million the previous year, an increase of $506 million. TL;DR AMD is in a much more stable position financially than the previous year, with much more healthy deficits and slicing their debt in half. Full Report: http://quarterlyearnings.amd.com/mobile.view?c=74093&v=200&d=2&id=5246442 Edit: Currently on mobile, I'll revise this tomorrow. • Pixelbook Go i5 • Pixel 4 XL • Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 31, 2017 Someone far more educated will be able to make some sense out of this data, but to me(I'm just a dumb programmer) it looks like AMD is still a sinking ship according to the numbers. CPU: Ryzen 5950X | Ram: Corsair Vengeance 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14 | Graphics: GIGABYTE GAMING OC RTX 3090 | Mobo: GIGABYTE B550 AORUS MASTER | Storage: SEAGATE FIRECUDA 520 2TB | PSU: Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500W | Monitor: Acer Predator XB271HU & LG C1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 31, 2017 Looks like Polaris really did wonders for them That's actually really nice to see, maybe AMD will soon start making a profit again, allowing more monies in R&D and their HQ back... 2 minutes ago, Remixt said: Someone far more educated will be able to make some sense out of this data, but to me(I'm just a dumb programmer) it looks like AMD is still a sinking ship according to the numbers. All you need to understand is this bit 11 minutes ago, Citadelen said: Long-term debt down $198 million to $1.435 billion, this is opposed to more than $2 billion the previous year. Says it all about their finance ATM Looking at my signature are we now? Well too bad there's nothing here... What? As I said, there seriously is nothing here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 31, 2017 Author 3 minutes ago, Remixt said: -snip- Far from it, when their new products launch next year they'll have a very healthy revenue stream to draw upon. This has been AMD's best year in ages, their flirting with profitability, capturing just 10% of the server marker with Naples would net $1 billion in revenue. Debt is no longer a problem, and they've got cash reserves of $1.3 billion. • Pixelbook Go i5 • Pixel 4 XL • Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 31, 2017 Sweet!!! Really hope this will translate well in the future to AMD being a strong competitor in their server and desktop cpu sections! That would be amazing for everyone! Use this guide to fix text problems in your post. Go here and here for all your power supply needs New Build Currently Under Construction! See here!!!! -----> Spoiler Deathwatch:[CPU I7 4790K @ 4.5GHz][RAM TEAM VULCAN 16 GB 1600][MB ASRock Z97 Anniversary][GPU XFX Radeon RX 480 8GB][STORAGE 250GB SAMSUNG EVO SSD Samsung 2TB HDD 2TB WD External Drive][COOLER Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo][PSU Cooler Master 650M][Case Thermaltake Core V31] Spoiler Cupid:[CPU Core 2 Duo E8600 3.33GHz][RAM 3 GB DDR2][750GB Samsung 2.5" HDD/HDD Seagate 80GB SATA/Samsung 80GB IDE/WD 325GB IDE][MB Acer M1641][CASE Antec][[PSU Altec 425 Watt][GPU Radeon HD 4890 1GB][TP-Link 54MBps Wireless Card] Spoiler Carlile: [CPU 2x Pentium 3 1.4GHz][MB ASUS TR-DLS][RAM 2x 512MB DDR ECC Registered][GPU Nvidia TNT2 Pro][PSU Enermax][HDD 1 IDE 160GB, 4 SCSI 70GB][RAID CARD Dell Perc 3] Spoiler Zeonnight [CPU AMD Athlon x2 4400][GPU Sapphire Radeon 4650 1GB][RAM 2GB DDR2] Spoiler Server [CPU 2x Xeon L5630][PSU Dell Poweredge 850w][HDD 1 SATA 160GB, 3 SAS 146GB][RAID CARD Dell Perc 6i] Spoiler Kero [CPU Pentium 1 133Mhz] [GPU Cirrus Logic LCD 1MB Graphics Controller] [Ram 48MB ][HDD 1.4GB Hitachi IDE] Spoiler Mining Rig: [CPU Athlon 64 X2 4400+][GPUS 9 RX 560s, 2 RX 570][HDD 160GB something][RAM 8GBs DDR3][PSUs 1 Thermaltake 700w, 2 Delta 900w 120v Server modded] RAINBOWS!!! QUOTE ME SO I CAN SEE YOUR REPLYS!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 1, 2017 AMD's really been doing better now... And with Zen coming up... Dang. I'm glad I bought AMD at $1.80!!! Make sure to quote me or tag me when responding to me, or I might not know you replied! Examples: Do this: Quote And make sure you do it by hitting the quote button at the bottom left of my post, and not the one inside the editor! Or this: @DocSwag Buy whatever product is best for you, not what product is "best" for the market. Interested in computer architecture? Still in middle or high school? P.M. me! I love computer hardware and feel free to ask me anything about that (or phones). I especially like SSDs. But please do not ask me anything about Networking, programming, command line stuff, or any relatively hard software stuff. I know next to nothing about that. Compooters: Spoiler Desktop: Spoiler CPU: i7 6700k, CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3, Motherboard: MSI Z170a KRAIT GAMING, RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 4x4gb DDR4-2666 MHz, Storage: SanDisk SSD Plus 240gb + OCZ Vertex 180 480 GB + Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 7200 RPM, Video Card: EVGA GTX 970 SSC, Case: Fractal Design Define S, Power Supply: Seasonic Focus+ Gold 650w Yay, Keyboard: Logitech G710+, Mouse: Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum, Headphones: B&O H9i, Monitor: LG 29um67 (2560x1080 75hz freesync) Home Server: Spoiler CPU: Pentium G4400, CPU Cooler: Stock, Motherboard: MSI h110l Pro Mini AC, RAM: Hyper X Fury DDR4 1x8gb 2133 MHz, Storage: PNY CS1311 120gb SSD + two Segate 4tb HDDs in RAID 1, Video Card: Does Intel Integrated Graphics count?, Case: Fractal Design Node 304, Power Supply: Seasonic 360w 80+ Gold, Keyboard+Mouse+Monitor: Does it matter? Laptop (I use it for school): Spoiler Surface book 2 13" with an i7 8650u, 8gb RAM, 256 GB storage, and a GTX 1050 And if you're curious (or a stalker) I have a Just Black Pixel 2 XL 64gb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 1, 2017 14 minutes ago, Remixt said: Someone far more educated will be able to make some sense out of this data, but to me(I'm just a dumb programmer) it looks like AMD is still a sinking ship according to the numbers. Long story short, they're still in debt, but it's more normal amount that companies can be seen in companies. They're essentially much more stable now, which is very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Posted February 1, 2017 Truthfully it all depends on ryzen/vega now... they currently are still losing money a lot of it but not as much, I think it was by the money they received from intel licensing/patent thing and china $200 million thing that they killed the debt with, the profit is very mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 1, 2017 Wait, they still lose money, but reduced the dept? How did they manage that? Sold a FAB or IP? Mineral oil and 40 kg aluminium heat sinks are a perfect combination: 73 cores and a Titan X, Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Oil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 1, 2017 TLDR: Intel makes 16x as much money. AMD still losing money. AMD "doing better" is not losing *as much* money. Also this is why AMD will never seriously compete against Intel in the future. Intel makes as much money in 1 quarter as AMD is worth as a company in terms of market cap. Workstation: 14700nonk || Asus Z790 ProArt Creator || MSI Gaming Trio 4090 Shunt || Crucial Pro Overclocking 32GB @ 5600 || Corsair AX1600i@240V || whole-house loop. LANRig/GuestGamingBox: 9900nonK || Gigabyte Z390 Master || ASUS TUF 3090 650W shunt || Corsair SF600 || CPU+GPU watercooled 280 rad pull only || whole-house loop. Server Router (Untangle): 13600k @ Stock || ASRock Z690 ITX || All 10Gbe || 2x8GB 3200 || PicoPSU 150W 24pin + AX1200i on CPU|| whole-house loop Server Compute/Storage: 10850K @ 5.1Ghz || Gigabyte Z490 Ultra || EVGA FTW3 3090 1000W || LSI 9280i-24 port || 4TB Samsung 860 Evo, 5x10TB Seagate Enterprise Raid 6, 4x8TB Seagate Archive Backup || whole-house loop. Laptop: HP Elitebook 840 G8 (Intel 1185G7) + 3080Ti Thunderbolt Dock, Razer Blade Stealth 13" 2017 (Intel 8550U) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 1, 2017 Author 46 minutes ago, Stefan1024 said: -snip- They cashed in their soaring stock price to raise a load of money. 45 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said: -snip- The server market is worth billions, should AMD successfully tap it they'd be rolling in money and hurt Intel's margins quite a bit. • Pixelbook Go i5 • Pixel 4 XL • Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 1, 2017 10 minutes ago, Citadelen said: The server market is worth billions, should AMD successfully tap it they'd be rolling in money and hurt Intel's margins quite a bit. In theory, sure. In practice there's dozens of reasons why they'll never make a dent. I can go all day reeling off ways they're financially the equivalent of stage IV terminal cancer. AMD: 1.7 billion in immediate liquidity. Intel: 17 billion. Workstation: 14700nonk || Asus Z790 ProArt Creator || MSI Gaming Trio 4090 Shunt || Crucial Pro Overclocking 32GB @ 5600 || Corsair AX1600i@240V || whole-house loop. LANRig/GuestGamingBox: 9900nonK || Gigabyte Z390 Master || ASUS TUF 3090 650W shunt || Corsair SF600 || CPU+GPU watercooled 280 rad pull only || whole-house loop. Server Router (Untangle): 13600k @ Stock || ASRock Z690 ITX || All 10Gbe || 2x8GB 3200 || PicoPSU 150W 24pin + AX1200i on CPU|| whole-house loop Server Compute/Storage: 10850K @ 5.1Ghz || Gigabyte Z490 Ultra || EVGA FTW3 3090 1000W || LSI 9280i-24 port || 4TB Samsung 860 Evo, 5x10TB Seagate Enterprise Raid 6, 4x8TB Seagate Archive Backup || whole-house loop. Laptop: HP Elitebook 840 G8 (Intel 1185G7) + 3080Ti Thunderbolt Dock, Razer Blade Stealth 13" 2017 (Intel 8550U) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 1, 2017 Author 2 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said: -snip- AMD reached the bottom with Bulldozer, it sells like shit, and it costs loads to make, Zen, no matter how it does, will improve AMD's bottom line. They won't go bankrupt, but they can certainly fall flat on their face. • Pixelbook Go i5 • Pixel 4 XL • Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 1, 2017 10 hours ago, Remixt said: Someone far more educated will be able to make some sense out of this data, but to me(I'm just a dumb programmer) it looks like AMD is still a sinking ship according to the numbers. someone far less educated will try to spin this as negative. PS: he is from Bulgaria, and posts on this forum Current setup Images of setup: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/183-show-off-your-setup/?p=5872590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 1, 2017 4 hours ago, Stefan1024 said: Wait, they still lose money, but reduced the dept? How did they manage that? Sold a FAB or IP? refinancing and restructuring of capital investment. AKA: whatever profit they make goes into the long term but extremely high debt. Whilst they allow themselves to take a small loss to the budget. 150m or 200m may seem a lot, but when you are 2 billion+ in the red, what is 200m to that? nothing... They also managed to increase their asset values. AKA they have silicon in stock, real estate, IP and other equipment. Thus they are able to refinance their loans, by taking a single large loan to pay for the multiple small ones. Incase you wonder, yes that is a smart move. As the interest rate of multiple loans is far higher then that of a single large one, over time. Current setup Images of setup: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/183-show-off-your-setup/?p=5872590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 1, 2017 3 hours ago, AnonymousGuy said: In theory, sure. In practice there's dozens of reasons why they'll never make a dent. I can go all day reeling off ways they're financially the equivalent of stage IV terminal cancer. AMD: 1.7 billion in immediate liquidity. Intel: 17 billion. AMD used to be an extremely big player in the server market, they know what they are doing. Plus the server market isn't as fickle and stupid as the consumer market and actually knows how to evaluate a product. Being in the business of actually buying and specing servers we don't give a damn what brand/sticker/logo or what ever is on it or in it. This is why AMD lost the server market so easily and quickly, there is no favoritism or brand loyalty. If AMD can deliver a good product at a good price they'll gain it back just as quickly as they lost it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 1, 2017 Author 8 hours ago, Prysin said: -snip- Isn't he from Romania? • Pixelbook Go i5 • Pixel 4 XL • Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 1, 2017 AMD share price is back around $12 as well. Investors are really happy with that they saw. 5950X | NH D15S | 64GB 3200Mhz | RTX 3090 | ASUS PG348Q+MG278Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 1, 2017 10 minutes ago, Valentyn said: AMD share price is back around $12 as well. Investors are really happy with that they saw. This makes me think of purchasing AMD stock. Should I? And how much? But OT: It's great to see that AMD is coming back up again. Let's see what happens this year. Currently focusing on my video game collection. It doesn't matter what you play games on, just play good games you enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 1, 2017 49 minutes ago, Citadelen said: Isn't he from Romania? oh yeah. He lives in a decomissioned salt mine, from what i hear. Current setup Images of setup: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/183-show-off-your-setup/?p=5872590 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 1, 2017 34 minutes ago, kaiju_wars said: This makes me think of purchasing AMD stock. Should I? And how much? But OT: It's great to see that AMD is coming back up again. Let's see what happens this year. You don't buy after its gone up. You should of bought when it was around $3 before Polaris launch if you want to annoy me, then join my teamspeak server ts.benja.cc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 1, 2017 19 hours ago, DocSwag said: AMD's really been doing better now... And with Zen coming up... Dang. I'm glad I bought AMD at $1.80!!! Lol 560% increase in value. I was planning to buy a grand or so worth when it was in the $2 range, then got laid off and priorities obviously changed a bit. Still kicking myself for that. $2 is so low that it pretty much takes the shares becoming worthless to really take a large hit, and you don't often get that opportunity to buy into a huge company like that. It's not quite at the level of people that bought $50 worth of BTC in 2010 then were too sketched out to actually buy drugs online with it and lost/squandered it. SFF-ish: Ryzen 5 1600X, Asrock AB350M Pro4, 16GB Corsair LPX 3200, Sapphire R9 Fury Nitro -75mV, 512gb Plextor Nvme m.2, 512gb Sandisk SATA m.2, Cryorig H7, stuffed into an Inwin 301 with rgb front panel mod. LG27UD58. Aging Workhorse: Phenom II X6 1090T Black (4GHz #Yolo), 16GB Corsair XMS 1333, RX 470 Red Devil 4gb (Sold for $330 to Cryptominers), HD6850 1gb, Hilariously overkill Asus Crosshair V, 240gb Sandisk SSD Plus, 4TB's worth of mechanical drives, and a bunch of water/glycol. Coming soon: Bykski CPU block, whatever cheap Polaris 10 GPU I can get once miners start unloading them. MintyFreshMedia: Thinkserver TS130 with i3-3220, 4gb ecc ram, 120GB Toshiba/OCZ SSD booting Linux Mint XFCE, 2TB Hitachi Ultrastar. In Progress: 3D printed drive mounts, 4 2TB ultrastars in RAID 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 1, 2017 1 minute ago, The Benjamins said: You don't buy after its gone up. You should of bought when it was around $3 before Polaris launch Usually yes, but in theory, shouldn't it go up more, and it's hovering around $11.50 right now (when I just checked Yahoo Finance) Sorry, don't know much about stocks. Currently focusing on my video game collection. It doesn't matter what you play games on, just play good games you enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, kaiju_wars said: Usually yes, but in theory, shouldn't it go up more, and it's hovering around $11.50 right now (when I just checked Yahoo Finance) Sorry, don't know much about stocks. It's up to you if you are willing to bet that zeb release and Vega release will increase the value of the stock. If you think they are going to be a hit invest if not then dont. I think they will do well but I also think we miss the big spike if you want to annoy me, then join my teamspeak server ts.benja.cc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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