Posted December 16, 2016 Thankfully Intel has some more time to deal with their thermal issues. When originally tested, the 7700k CPU could obtain 5Ghz speed with 1.35v but was hitting temps of 100C! "By delidding the CPU and applying CoolLabatory Liquid Thermal Paste and a Kraken x62 cooler, they were able to push it to 5.0Ghz using 1.344v with the fan set to 50%. The pump was at 65% and yet the temps plummeted by 30C. An average of 26C." Intel is set to launch Kaby Lake with the I7-7700k at CES in January 2017 so they have a little time to work on the thermals. http://www.tweaktown.com/news/55497/7700k-delidded-30c-reduction-temps-wtf-intel/index.html I looked to see if i missed this post already out there, I probably missed it 10 pages back so sorry if it is a repeat! NOTE ** This is not a recommendation to delid ANY CPU! It is advanced knowledge and if you have any questions I suggest you google the video Linus did on the procedure. The point of this post was to show that the thermal compound Intel is using on these pre-production and review CPUs MAY result in much higher temperatures. Phanteks Enthoo Elite | Intel I9 - 7900X | Asus x299 Rampage VI Extreme | MSI 1080 TI 32Gb Dominator Platinum Special Edition Blackout 3200MHz | Samsung 960 Pro | 2x Samsung 961 Pro (Raid 0) 256Gb M.2 SSD Samsung 850 Pro 512Gb | WD Black 4TB | Corsair AX1200i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 16, 2016 DO not delid your cpu then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 16, 2016 Isn't 30*C comparable to what the 3770K and 4770K were getting? Intel Xeon 1650 V0 (4.4GHz @1.4V), ASRock X79 Extreme6, 32GB of HyperX 1866, Sapphire Nitro+ 5700XT, Silverstone Redline (black) RL05BB-W, Crucial MX500 500GB SSD, TeamGroup GX2 512GB SSD, WD AV-25 1TB 2.5" HDD with generic Chinese 120GB SSD as cache, x2 Seagate 2TB SSHD(RAID 0) with generic Chinese 240GB SSD as cache, SeaSonic Focus Plus Gold 850, x2 Acer H236HL, Acer V277U be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4, Logitech K120, Tecknet "Gaming" mouse, Creative Inspire T2900, HyperX Cloud Flight Wireless headset, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 16, 2016 Author Actually delidding it in THIS case will allow the temps to drop by up to 30 C. The 7700k was running 5.0 Ghz but at 100C. They delidded it and put new paste and boom 30C better! Phanteks Enthoo Elite | Intel I9 - 7900X | Asus x299 Rampage VI Extreme | MSI 1080 TI 32Gb Dominator Platinum Special Edition Blackout 3200MHz | Samsung 960 Pro | 2x Samsung 961 Pro (Raid 0) 256Gb M.2 SSD Samsung 850 Pro 512Gb | WD Black 4TB | Corsair AX1200i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 16, 2016 1 minute ago, Velvet Revolver said: DO not delid your cpu then. Temps going down is good. So in this case, DO delid your CPU. (unless intel gets their shit together and uses good TIM) PC Specs AMD Ryzen 7 3800X | MSI MPG B550 Gaming Plus | 16GB Team T-Force 3400MHz | Zotac GTX 1080 AMP EXTREME BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4 | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | NZXT 750W | Phanteks Eclipse P400A Extras: ASUS Zephyrus G14 (2021) | OnePlus 7 Pro | Fully restored Robosapien V2, Omnibot 2000, Omnibot 5402 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 16, 2016 Please update this to fit the news posting guidelines. --- That's huge. I had heard it was running hotter than Skylake but if this is why, then there's hope - maybe it's not a bad chip after all, just a terrible thermal solution. Hopefully when they ship them they will have fixed this by essentially factory-deliding them Solve your own audio issues | First Steps with RPi 3 | Humidity & Condensation | Sleep & Hibernation | Overclocking RAM | Making Backups | Displays | 4K / 8K / 16K / etc. | Do I need 80+ Platinum? If you can read this you're using the wrong theme. You can change it at the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 16, 2016 i am just going to wait for the official release before jumping and believing things. for now just going to take it with grain of salt. i must admit that's impressive result. i think in official release its going to be like the 6700k it will only drop 5c max so won't even be worth doing and risking destroying a very expensive cpu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 16, 2016 yes unskilled delidders do it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 16, 2016 yeah this is bs if you read the article they used a thermalright 6 cooler before delidding then they used a kraken x62 after delidding Spoiler My system is the Dell Inspiron 15 5559 Microsoft Signature Edition The Austrailian king of LTT said that I'm awesome and a funny guy. the greatest psu list known to man DDR3 ram guide i got 477 posts in my first 30 days on LinusTechTips.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 16, 2016 inb4 so many broken CPUs from failed delids. Primary: Intel i5 4670K (3.8 GHz) | ASRock Extreme 4 Z87 | 16GB Crucial Ballistix Tactical LP 2x8GB | Gigabyte GTX980ti | Mushkin Enhanced Chronos 240GB | Corsair RM 850W | Nanoxia Deep Silence 1| Ducky Shine 3 | Corsair m95 | 2x Monoprice 1440p IPS Displays | Altec Lansing VS2321 | Sennheiser HD558 | Antlion ModMic HTPC: Intel NUC i5 D54250WYK | 4GB Kingston 1600MHz DDR3L | 256GB Crucial M4 mSATA SSD | Logitech K400 NAS: Thecus n4800 | WD White Label 8tb x4 in raid 5 Phones: Oneplux 6t (Mint), Nexus 5x 8.1.0 (wifi only), Nexus 4 (wifi only) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 16, 2016 This might be evil but...don't fix this before launch. I'd like to see the 7700k be too hot to compete with Ryzen chips. Maybe we can finally get AMD into green numbers that way. ------- Current Rig ------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 16, 2016 6 minutes ago, themaniac said: yeah this is bs if you read the article they used a thermalright 6 cooler before delidding then they used a kraken x62 after delidding Good to know now I don't have to search for Tweaktown's BS since you did it for me (I've never seen a truthful article from them) https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/631048-psu-tier-list-updated/ Tier Breakdown (My understanding)--1 Godly, 2 Great, 3 Good, 4 Average, 5 Meh, 6 Bad, 7 Awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 16, 2016 6 minutes ago, themaniac said: yeah this is bs if you read the article they used a thermalright 6 cooler before delidding then they used a kraken x62 after delidding yeah, not sure why they mention 3 different coolers for 3 test runs(thermalright, corsair and kraken)... You're supposed to minimize variables when doing testing like this or the results mean nothing really. I'm sure they had a drop but there's no telling how much it actually was LTT Community Standards Welcome!-A quick guide for new members to LTT Man's Machine- i7-7700k@5.0GHz / Asus M8H / GTX 1080Ti / 4x4gb Gskill 3000 CL15 / Custom loop / 240gb Intel SSD / 3tb HDD / Corsair RM1000x / Dell S2716DG The Lady's Rig- G3258@4.4GHz(1.39v) on Hyper 212 / Gigabyte GA-B85M / gtx750 / 8gb PNY xlr8 / 500gb seagate HDD / CS 450M / Asus PB277Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 16, 2016 Author Even if the temperatures are 1/2 what is claimed, it could be note worthy. Obviously more reviews are needed but this is the second or third article I have seen about their i7700K chips running hotter than the previous generation. Phanteks Enthoo Elite | Intel I9 - 7900X | Asus x299 Rampage VI Extreme | MSI 1080 TI 32Gb Dominator Platinum Special Edition Blackout 3200MHz | Samsung 960 Pro | 2x Samsung 961 Pro (Raid 0) 256Gb M.2 SSD Samsung 850 Pro 512Gb | WD Black 4TB | Corsair AX1200i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 16, 2016 29 minutes ago, Velvet Revolver said: DO not delid your cpu then. (been waiting a while to use this. Thank you) Ketchup is better than mustard. GUI is better than Command Line Interface. Dubs are better than subs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 16, 2016 And imagine the temps if there was a safe way to solder on the IHS....Kabylake would replace Sandybridge as the go-to 5GHz 24/7 on air architecture. "We also blind small animals with cosmetics. We do not sell cosmetics. We just blind animals." "Please don't mistake us for Equifax. Those fuckers are evil" This PSA brought to you by Equifacks. PMSL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 16, 2016 Author As I said I have heard a few stories about the 'heat issues' with Kaby Lake. Does there need to be some better testing? Yes. But imagine if changing the thermal paste could get you 5.0Ghz on 1.344v. Pretty damn good at 62C Phanteks Enthoo Elite | Intel I9 - 7900X | Asus x299 Rampage VI Extreme | MSI 1080 TI 32Gb Dominator Platinum Special Edition Blackout 3200MHz | Samsung 960 Pro | 2x Samsung 961 Pro (Raid 0) 256Gb M.2 SSD Samsung 850 Pro 512Gb | WD Black 4TB | Corsair AX1200i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 16, 2016 Or you could wait for ZEN, which are soldered, instead of paying overprices for few cores and shitty thermal paste? Watching Intel have competition is like watching a headless chicken trying to get out of a mine field CPU: Intel I7 4790K@4.6 with NZXT X31 AIO; MOTHERBOARD: ASUS Z97 Maximus VII Ranger; RAM: 8 GB Kingston HyperX 1600 DDR3; GFX: ASUS R9 290 4GB; CASE: Lian Li v700wx; STORAGE: Corsair Force 3 120GB SSD; Samsung 850 500GB SSD; Various old Seagates; PSU: Corsair RM650; MONITOR: 2x 20" Dell IPS; KEYBOARD/MOUSE: Logitech K810/ MX Master; OS: Windows 10 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 16, 2016 On 2016-12-15 at 9:29 PM, DragonTamer1 said: Isn't 30*C comparable to what the 3770K and 4770K were getting? My 3770k has always been delidded but I very much doubt it would be 30c hotter than what it runs now, I get up to about 60C on my noctua nh-d14 under high nonsynthetic load, over 80c on synthetic. My voltage is pretty high for the meager 4.4ghz I achieved though. EditL just ran aida 64 cpu+fpu was high 60's actually, breeeeeeeeeety good MOAR COARS: 5GHz "Confirmed" Black Edition™ The Build AMD 5950X 4.7/4.6GHz All Core Dynamic OC + 1900MHz FCLK | 5GHz+ PBO | ASUS X570 Dark Hero | 32 GB 3800MHz 14-15-15-30-48-1T GDM 8GBx4 | PowerColor AMD Radeon 6900 XT Liquid Devil @ 2700MHz Core + 2130MHz Mem | 2x 480mm Rad | 8x Blacknoise Noiseblocker NB-eLoop B12-PS Black Edition 120mm PWM | Thermaltake Core P5 TG Ti + Additional 3D Printed Rad Mount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 16, 2016 Author I remember pushing an older I5-2500k to 5.0 Ghz Stable on a Corsair 100i. I didn't run it very long on that OC but damn those old 2500ks were beasts. Phanteks Enthoo Elite | Intel I9 - 7900X | Asus x299 Rampage VI Extreme | MSI 1080 TI 32Gb Dominator Platinum Special Edition Blackout 3200MHz | Samsung 960 Pro | 2x Samsung 961 Pro (Raid 0) 256Gb M.2 SSD Samsung 850 Pro 512Gb | WD Black 4TB | Corsair AX1200i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 16, 2016 10 minutes ago, Dabombinable said: And imagine the temps if there was a safe way to solder on the IHS....Kabylake would replace Sandybridge as the go-to 5GHz 24/7 on air architecture. Yeah, just imagine if thermal expansion and physical strain weren't real. As thin as the dies have gotten, it's just not viable. Software Engineer for Suncorp (Australia), Computer Tech Enthusiast, Miami University Graduate, Nerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Posted December 16, 2016 Dang, 30C, what is intel using, toothpaste!? Current LTT F@H Rank: 90 Score: 2,503,680,659 Stats Yes, I have 9 monitors. My main PC (Hybrid Windows 10/Arch Linux): OS: Arch Linux w/ XFCE DE (VFIO-Patched Kernel) as host OS, windows 10 as guest CPU: Ryzen 9 3900X w/PBO on (6c 12t for host, 6c 12t for guest) Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 Mobo: Asus X470-F Gaming RAM: 32GB G-Skill Ripjaws V @ 3200MHz (12GB for host, 20GB for guest) GPU: Guest: EVGA RTX 3070 FTW3 ULTRA Host: 2x Radeon HD 8470 PSU: EVGA G2 650W SSDs: Guest: Samsung 850 evo 120 GB, Samsung 860 evo 1TB Host: Samsung 970 evo 500GB NVME HDD: Guest: WD Caviar Blue 1 TB Case: Fractal Design Define R5 Black w/ Tempered Glass Side Panel Upgrade Other: White LED strip to illuminate the interior. Extra fractal intake fan for positive pressure. unRAID server (Plex, Windows 10 VM, NAS, Duplicati, game servers): OS: unRAID 6.11.2 CPU: Ryzen R7 2700x @ Stock Cooler: Noctua NH-U9S Mobo: Asus Prime X470-Pro RAM: 16GB G-Skill Ripjaws V + 16GB Hyperx Fury Black @ stock GPU: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 PSU: EVGA G3 850W SSD: Samsung 970 evo NVME 250GB, Samsung 860 evo SATA 1TB HDDs: 4x HGST Dekstar NAS 4TB @ 7200RPM (3 data, 1 parity) Case: Sillverstone GD08B Other: Added 3x Noctua NF-F12 intake, 2x Noctua NF-A8 exhaust, Inatek 5 port USB 3.0 expansion card with usb 3.0 front panel header Details: 12GB ram, GTX 1080, USB card passed through to windows 10 VM. VM's OS drive is the SATA SSD. Rest of resources are for Plex, Duplicati, Spaghettidetective, Nextcloud, and game servers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 16, 2016 56 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said: (been waiting a while to use this. Thank you) Thanks, I am glad I am not the only one. Does question what is up with the TIM? The difference is not normally that large. I am not a "delidder" but this is a major delta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 16, 2016 4 minutes ago, LoE Ferret said: Thanks, I am glad I am not the only one. Does question what is up with the TIM? The difference is not normally that large. I am not a "delidder" but this is a major delta. Tim had nothing to with this. It was all Steve, he's the guy in charge of installing the IHS's by hand. Come Bloody Angel Break off your chains And look what I've found in the dirt. Pale battered body Seems she was struggling Something is wrong with this world. Fierce Bloody Angel The blood is on your hands Why did you come to this world? Everybody turns to dust. Everybody turns to dust. The blood is on your hands. The blood is on your hands! Pyo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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