Phill Schiller explains why MacBook Pros don't have a 32GB RAM option

[79wjd]

2 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

 

To be fair, the closest competition, to the MBP, doesn't offer 32GB RAM either.......

 

 

The XPS 15 does 

[Bsmith]

36 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

The XPS 15 does 

is that even direct competition to that mac? I mean one has touchscreen and 4K on roughly 4-6hour battery life while the other has no touchscreen, a lower res and a longer lasting battery

[AlTech]

31 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

The XPS 15 does 

Forgive me if it's not the first competitor which comes to mind. Even Apple doesn't see the XPS 15 as the real competitor.

 

Hint, the competitor apple was thinking of has the EXACT same pricing!

Spoiler

 

and

 

 

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

SAME PRICE! Apple took pages from somebody!

 

Now do you see the REAL competition?

[Prysin]

8 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

To be fair, Razer isn't known for the most amazing battery life.

Razer wouldn't know how to create a GOOD laptop even if you explained step by step how to do it

[Master Disaster]

8 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Don't buy a 13" MacBook Pro if you are a "pro", get the 15" 

 

If you actually look at it the 13" is targeted towards students. This is why it only has dual core i5s and 8GB RAM base with Intel Iris Graphics 

 

The 15" is where stuff starts getting real with more I/0 Radeon Pro 460 dGPUs, and 16GB of RAM. 

 

 

You to realise what you just said, right?

 

The 13" MacBook PRO is aimed at STUDENTS? That sentence made my brain fry.

[LAwLz]

7 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Don't buy a 13" MacBook Pro if you are a "pro", get the 15" 

The Macbook Pro 15" has the same issues as the 13" model.

 

7 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

If you actually look at it the 13" is targeted towards students. This is why it only has dual core i5s and 8GB RAM base with Intel Iris Graphics 

I love how "the product is targeted towards X" is somehow a valid justification for making a product bad these days. It's the same as when people defend stupid things Microsoft does because "it's targeted as businesses". No, the Macbook Pro is not targeted at students because most students doesn't have 1.5K to spend on a laptop, and even if they did that would not justify having an dual core i5, 8GB of RAM and integrated graphics at that price.

"It's for students" doesn't mean "we can keep the price high, and put in md-range CPUs and low end GPUs".

[AlTech]

8 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

The Macbook Pro 15" has the same issues as the 13" model.

 

I love how "the product is targeted towards X" is somehow a valid justification for making a product bad these days. It's the same as when people defend stupid things Microsoft does because "it's targeted as businesses". No, the Macbook Pro is not targeted at students because most students doesn't have 1.5K to spend on a laptop,

Expat students do. A lot of students in my school have MacBook Pro Retina 13" and easily could have a 1.5K USD model.

8 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

and even if they did that would not justify having an dual core i5, 8GB of RAM and integrated graphics at that price.

Non techies don't know that. For them this would be normal........

8 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

"It's for students" doesn't mean "we can keep the price high, and put in md-range CPUs and low end GPUs".

Of course it doesn't. In fact, I'd argue that "Students" itself is a too broad target market. Students studying different subjects need different machines.

 

An art student may want a laptop/2 in 1 with a pen. A computer science student may want an i7 and 16GB RAM. An engineering student may want an i7, 16GB RAM and a dGPU.

 

It really depends on what you need. And frankly, you should only ever buy a mac for the software/os. The hardware is overpriced.

[laminutederire]

3 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Try and do Computer Science courses on something like that. Seriously! those things are underpowered af.

Isn't it wiser to have a chrome book and a real desktop pc which will make every other people in the class with laptops only bow before you for computing power?

[Duskie]

2 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

 

To be fair, the closest competition, to the MBP, doesn't offer 32GB RAM either.......

 

 

I know, but when I can take a 'budget gaming laptop' and destroy a 1000$+ Macbook 'Pro' with it, it's a bit stupid.

[AlTech]

17 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

Isn't it wiser to have a chrome book and a real desktop pc which will make every other people in the class with laptops only bow before you for computing power?

No? A real laptop and a real desktop PC would be better.

[Belgarathian]

9 hours ago, SamStrecker said:

No they aren't at all. But Apple's battery life is measured when the computer has just the base kernel running with everything else turned off. Not false advertising but no where near what they advertise. 

Not true... From the Apple website - 

 

1. Testing conducted by Apple in October 2016 using preproduction 2.0GHz dual-core Intel Core i5-based 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with a 256GB SSD and 8GB of RAM (wireless web test, iTunes movie playback test, and standby test). Testing conducted by Apple in October 2016 using preproduction 2.9GHz dual-core Intel Core i5-based 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with a 512GB SSD and 8GB of RAM (wireless web test and iTunes movie playback test) and preproduction 2.9GHz dual-core Intel Core i5-based 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with a 256GB SSD and 8GB of RAM (standby test). The wireless web test measures battery life by wirelessly browsing 25 popular websites with display brightness set to 12 clicks from bottom or 75%. The iTunes movie playback test measures battery life by playing back HD 1080p content with display brightness set to 12 clicks from bottom or 75%. The standby test measures battery life by allowing a system, connected to a wireless network and signed in to an iCloud account, to enter standby mode with Safari and Mail applications launched and all system settings left at default. Battery life varies by use and configuration. See www.apple.com/batteries for more information.

Anandtech have even praised Apple's battery life testing, and using their own benchmarks achieve similar results. 

[AlTech]

8 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

Who needs 32Gb of RAM when you got lots of money and courage? 

I don't think people have enough COURAGE to just buy the product .

 

/s /jk

[laminutederire]

22 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

No? A real laptop and a real desktop PC would be better.

Yes ideally, but with 1.5K €, you can either buy a real laptop and no desktop, or a chrome book and a real desktop, not both...

[suicidalfranco]

9 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

This makes a lot of sense. They did not want to compromise on their awesome battery life and to do that they had to cut back on the RAM a bit. 

 

Look at it this way, if you are a pro, and need more than 16GB of RAM to edit video, consider not buying a MacBook Pro? 

 

Don't want adapters? Don't buy a MacBook Pro. 

 

I love Apple, but I notice that the people that bash them the most are the ones that never have/intend to use/buy any of Apples products  

i have a macbook, and i'm bashing for not making a "Pro" macbook pro.

[AlTech]

 

1 minute ago, suicidalfranco said:

i have a macbook, and i'm bashing for not making a "Pro" MacBook pro.

So you want Apple to make a "MacBook Pro Profesional" or what? .

[Master Disaster]

3 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

 

So you want Apple to make a "MacBook Pro Profesional" or what? .

Would that one allow connecting an IPhone?

[AlTech]

5 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Would that one allow connecting an IPhone?

IDEK.

[suicidalfranco]

27 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

 

So you want Apple to make a "MacBook Pro Profesional" or what? .

please and thank you with lots of Xs and Os if they actually do that. 

As long as "Profesional" doens't mean x% thinner than the "Pro"

[iamdarkyoshi]

32 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

i have a macbook, and i'm bashing for not making a "Pro" macbook pro.

Really. Why do ANY macbook pros have an igpu only?

[AlTech]

18 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

please and thank you with lots of Xs and Os if they actually do that. 

As long as "Profesional" doens't mean x% thinner than the "Pro"

<joke>Inb4, Apple launches event tomorrow with new MBP Retina 17" with GTX 1080 and Quad core Mobile Xeon.</joke>

 

15 minutes ago, iamdarkyoshi said:

Really. Why do ANY macbook pros have an igpu only?

In the past with the 2013-2015 models, it was because the 15" models contains Iris Pro Graphics. it was and still is ok but is no replacement for dGPU.

[Brooksie359]

10 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Don't buy a 13" MacBook Pro if you are a "pro", get the 15" 

 

If you actually look at it the 13" is targeted towards students. This is why it only has dual core i5s and 8GB RAM base with Intel Iris Graphics 

 

The 15" is where stuff starts getting real with more I/0 Radeon Pro 460 dGPUs, and 16GB of RAM. 

 

 

The 13 inch version is so outrageous overpriced for the hardware that I don't think it should be aimed at students. I mean if you have the means to waste money on overpriced laptops you might as well get the one with decent hardware. I think the 15 inch version is also overpriced but if you're going to buy an overpriced MacBook pro the 13inch doesn't seem like a good option for anyone. I mean when has anyone said the reason they bought there MacBook pro was to save money.

[iamdarkyoshi]

1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

<joke>Inb4, Apple launches event tomorrow with new MBP Retina 17" with GTX 1080 and Quad core Mobile Xeon.</joke>

 

In the past with the 2013-2015 models, it was because the 15" models contains Iris Pro Graphics. it was and still is ok but is no replacement for dGPU.

I tried out a macbook pro once, it had a sandy bridge i7 and 8GB of RAM

 

Damn thing couldn't play terraria

 

Talk about pro...

[suicidalfranco]

22 minutes ago, iamdarkyoshi said:

I tried out a macbook pro once, it had a sandy bridge i7 and 8GB of RAM

 

Damn thing couldn't play terraria

 

Talk about pro...

that's the one i have, play Warframe on it, stable 60fps settings medium-high

[iamdarkyoshi]

4 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

that's the one i have, play Warframe on it, stable 60fps settings medium-high

What gpu? Mine was igpu

[suicidalfranco]

11 minutes ago, iamdarkyoshi said:

What gpu? Mine was igpu

dGPU, GF 650M