Phill Schiller explains why MacBook Pros don't have a 32GB RAM option

[AlTech]

35 minutes ago, iamdarkyoshi said:

What gpu? Mine was igpu

His is a 15 inch and yours was probably a 13 inch

[79wjd]

6 hours ago, Bsmith said:

is that even direct competition to that mac? I mean one has touchscreen and 4K on roughly 4-6hour battery life while the other has no touchscreen, a lower res and a longer lasting battery

The battery life is noticeably worse, but honestly, the XPS would be the windows laptop that I would consider if I didn't prefer OS X. 

6 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Forgive me if it's not the first competitor which comes to mind. Even Apple doesn't see the XPS 15 as the real competitor.

 

Hint, the competitor apple was thinking of has the EXACT same pricing!

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SAME PRICE! Apple took pages from somebody!

 

Now do you see the REAL competition?

I don't really care how it's marketed, I still see the XPS as being valid competition. Plus, I would never recommend a surface anything to someone who doesn't plan on using the stylus, and I would rarely ever recommend a surfacebook due to it being top heavy making it annoying to use.

2 hours ago, iamdarkyoshi said:

Really. Why do ANY macbook pros have an igpu only?

Because not everyone who has a Mac needs a powerful GPU. I don't want a dGPU in my laptop since it generally means worse battery life/more heat. 

[DrMacintosh]

12 hours ago, Magnetorheological said:

Why you would need a MacBook or any other expensive laptop to get through core business courses is beyond me.

Not everyone does just core business courses. 

[DrMacintosh]

10 hours ago, TheSprititedWolf/... said:

I have believed and now see the results that MACs proprietary form of business was and is now hurting them. I have used MACs for years in Notebook and Desktop form and found many reasons to admire MACs, but, I have also always remained a huge fan of PCs and in general, with the much more open platform of PCs find that now (Especially after Microsoft's last Keynote! WOW! They blew me away!) I believe it is PC's time to dominate the digital world. I have always been a tinkerer and as such been frustrated with MAC's approach to their customer who need, not just want, to further the potential of their MAC unit. The lack of RAM in the Macbook Pro is ridiculous when explained as the reason of improving battery life. Their constant emphasis on aesthetics has been/is their downfall as far as I'm concerned. A slightly thicker Notebook with all around better specs is much more reasonable than their neurotic need to make their Notebooks thinner, lighter and so on.. I mean, how light does a MAC user need his/her Notebook to be? I've seen sacrifices in their designs precisely because somehow they believe their customers can't handle a little more weight, etc... Yes, the iPhone, iPod and so on changed the world and I sincerely commend them for that. But now: The Apple Watch? Are they kidding? And, to be clearly noted with my own work as proof, I now rely heavily on PCs to do everything I once used both for and precisely because of Apple's lack of openness in regards to improving their products by sharing information and integrating with the rest of the technology world. 

I think you are simply incompatible with Apples philosophy......they go thinner, because they want to. If nobody wanted to go thinner we would all be using IBM PCs the size of rooms......

 

if Apple can fit a whole computer into tiny af spaces, that's a plus for the whole industry. 

[Sakkura]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

I think you are simply incompatible with Apples philosophy......they go thinner, because they want to. If nobody wanted to go thinner we would all be using IBM PCs the size of rooms......

 

if Apple can fit a whole computer into tiny af spaces, that's a plus for the whole industry. 

I think there are diminishing returns on getting thinner. Apple won big in the past by making devices thinner, and now they're just sticking with that strategy, possibly past the point where it's not worth it.

[79wjd]

1 minute ago, Sakkura said:

I think there are diminishing returns on getting thinner. Apple won big in the past by making devices thinner, and now they're just sticking with that strategy, possibly past the point where it's not worth it.

The sales of the 12" Macbook/MBA, and my personal experience with people seem to show that thinner is still a desired property. 

[Sakkura]

4 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

The sales of the 12" Macbook/MBA, and my personal experience with people seem to show that thinner is still a desired property. 

Perhaps. Still, there's going to be a point where thinner stops being worth it.

[Doobeedoo]

Meh as far as "Pro" of it just take a look at the new Razer Blade Pro seriously.

[Mr.Meerkat]

15 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Actually, Apple's website states that they test battery life by playing back 720p movies and browsing on safari (something most people who own macs don't do)

So you're telling me that everyone in my year who has a macbook pro/air doesn't watch videos or browse on safari? From what I've observed (and generally talking to my friends), 95% of their usage on macs is watching videos/using it to do homework (so drive and web-browsing), maybe using a VOIP like skype and general web-browsing. Out of the 140~ people who own's a Mac in my year, only 3 of them does something kinda intensive like playing games (such as League or something from steam).

 

Just sayin  

[79wjd]

44 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

Meh as far as "Pro" of it just take a look at the new Razer Blade Pro seriously.

Except that the Blade throttles terribly and has awful build quality and customer support. 

 

34 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

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Just sayin  

I'm assuming (hoping) he was referring to Safari (rather than Chrome). Although quite a few people use Safari, and it's no worse than Edge or Microsoft's battery life claims based on Edge.

[Doobeedoo]

2 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

Except that the Blade throttles terribly and has awful build quality and customer support. 

How so? Cause I've seen Mac books throttle so. What's wrong with build quality anyway?

[79wjd]

2 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

How so? Cause I've seen Mac books throttle so. What's wrong with build quality anyway?

@Dackzy

 

The Pros also don't really have a throttling issue, just the 12" MB.

[Dackzy]

5 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

How so? Cause I've seen Mac books throttle so. What's wrong with build quality anyway?

Super super cheap glue, that glue gets super dry very fast, so it kinda looses it purpose, the screws are cheap, the components on the motherboard are meh at best, the alu body is thin and not that study at all, if you get a dent the wrong place then no more macbook.

[Doobeedoo]

2 minutes ago, Dackzy said:

Super super cheap glue, that glue gets super dry very fast, so it kinda looses it purpose, the screws are cheap, the components on the motherboard are meh at best, the alu body is thin and not that study at all, if you get a dent the wrong place then no more macbook.

I meant quality of Razer Blade Pro

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Dackzy said:

Super super cheap glue, that glue gets super dry very fast, so it kinda looses it purpose, the screws are cheap, the components on the motherboard are meh at best, the alu body is thin and not that study at all, if you get a dent the wrong place then no more macbook.

Sounds like you were using a nockoff and also sounds like you disassembled a Macintush not a Macintosh. I've cracked open an older MacBook Air and a releativly new MacBook Pro and these things you mentioned did not show up. 

[Dackzy]

6 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

@Dackzy

 

The Pros also don't really have a throttling issue, just the 12" MB.

nah the Pro 13" also thermal throttles. It just take a longer time than the 12". The 15" is/was the best when it came to temps, but it was by no means a cool laptop, you could get it to thermal throttle, but you would have to push it fairly hard. The new MBP will thermal throttle, that I am sure of, they made them thinner and that doesn't help the cooling, unless they didn't have to make the cooling system smaller.

[Dackzy]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

Sounds like you were using a nockoff and also sounds like you disassembled a Macintush not a Macintosh. I've cracked open an older MacBook Air and a releativly new MacBook Pro and these things you mentioned did not show up. 

um no. I work with fixing laptops. louis rossmann will tell you the same thing.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, Dackzy said:

 louis rossmann

Of course, good old Louis Rossman  

[Dackzy]

3 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

I meant quality of Razer Blade Pro

That is a laptop with no QC, shitty support, bad thermals, due to shitty cooling. Compare the cooling in a Clevo with a 1080 to what razer did and you will see how shitty the cooling is. Razer laptops are well known for having so many problems, they all thermal throttle and have a short lifespand compared to a none thermal throttling laptop. You can get a Blade that has a dead component, because no QC and it is put badly together.

 

If every single blade were as good as the one linus has then they would only have temperature problems. Also he even said that his blade has thermal problems in another laptop review.

[Dackzy]

3 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Of course, good old Louis Rossman  

He has saved my ass. I do not like working with macbooks, because apple will tell you close to nothing about their laptops and they are just a pain to work with, so he has been a life saver.

[suicidalfranco]

19 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

The Pros also don't really have a throttling issue

but do make some nice leg warmer in return 

[DrMacintosh]

7 minutes ago, Dackzy said:

He has saved my ass. I do not like working with macbooks, because apple will tell you close to nothing about their laptops and they are just a pain to work with, so he has been a life saver.

Well that's great for you, I have my own opinions of the man. 

[Sauron]

Bullshit. Bull. Shit. They ran out of space during design because they wanted to shave those completely irrelevant 3mm at all costs and are just spewing excuses to damage control. They just don't want to admit the creative professional hasn't been their true target for years.

[Doobeedoo]

1 minute ago, Dackzy said:

That is a laptop with no QC, shitty support, bad thermals, due to shitty cooling. Compare the cooling in a Clevo with a 1080 to what razer did and you will see how shitty the cooling is. Razer laptops are well known for having so many problems, they all thermal throttle and have a short lifespand compared to a none thermal throttling laptop. You can get a Blade that has a dead component, because no QC and it is put badly together.

 

If every single blade were as good as the one linus has then they would only have temperature problems. Also he even said that his blade has thermal problems in another laptop review.

What about the new one? And anyway, it's still better than this MB tho.

[Dackzy]

Just now, Doobeedoo said:

What about the new one? And anyway, it's still better than this MB tho.

that goes for them all, I don't think that Razer knows how to make a laptop. Nah the MB is better build, thermal throttles less and have pretty good QC.